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Well, bad drafting and free agency moves had a lot to do with that.
So that's on Colbert and Tomlin, correct?
Tomlin had nothing to do with Arians Leaving
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Well, bad drafting and free agency moves had a lot to do with that.
So that's on Colbert and Tomlin, correct?
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A few things.....1.) if the Rooneys were the ones to make the decision to fire BA, man up and deliver the news themselves. I had some biz owners who made me do the firing when it was they who made the firing decision, and I did it, without reservation, but looking back, they were wussies for going that way. (The also made me tell a girl that she had body odor and to wash her clothes and take more showers, twice.)
2.) BA only has himself to blame. The brass made it clear they didn't want Ben dropping back so much and holding on to the ball. And they wanted to rush the ball better. BA did neither. Pack your bags and beat it.
3.) BA is feeling his oats, and I can see why (coming off a playoff season, coach of the year for 2nd time). He obviously feels very secure in keeping his job (and if need be getting another one). Because showcasing being so pissed off isn't good for his image among NFL owners, or anyone else, for that matter. And he should realize that he is partly to blame; he should have been so unyielding to what the owners wanted.
Oh, and the article said the interview aired on HBO. It was on NFLN, knuckleheads.
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I think Arians is the better coach. Arians > Tomlin. This has been proven on other teams where Arians has won coach of the year two times. Our record with Arians is better than our record without him, and this includes the playoffs.
As pointed out Arians did not have a prime Brown or Bell/Williams when he was the OC and the OL wasn't as good back then either.
As to who fired Airans, I assure you Tomlin had a say. It's his staff. Tomlin does the hiring and the firing of the coaches, as well as conducts the interviews. Sure Rooney has a say. I'm not saying he doesn't. If the Steelers tried to absolve Tomlin of the decision, they are only fooling the media. It's utter BS, and if Tomlin wanted Airans to say, he would have put up a better fight or said so.
Speculation that Tomlin didn't like or was threatened by Arians has some validity. Perhaps it had something to do with who Ben was fond of Arians. When Arians left, Ben correctly blasted some of Haley's bone head call. The guy would call running plays on 3rd and 5+ yards, and dink and dunk it. It took 2 years for Haley to get a better understanding of the skill players he had to work with. When the play calling got better, Ben stopped airing his dissatisfaction.
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Ben still holds the ball too long and if you look at his passing attempts, they have not gone down under Haley. In fact in 2015 Ben threw it a record 608 times! What has changed is the quality of people running and blocking, and the skill players.
Airans has a right to be bitter about the past. He's better than Haley, but at this point he's proven himself on other teams and shouldn't talk about it anymore.
Ben still holds the ball too long and if you look at his passing attempts, they have not gone down under Haley. In fact in 2015 Ben threw it a record 608 times! What has changed is the quality of people running and blocking, and the skill players.
Airans has a right to be bitter about the past. He's better than Haley, but at this point he's proven himself on other teams and shouldn't talk about it anymore.
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Switch Ben and Carson Palmer and see how many games Tomlin would win. This team is 500 at best without Ben. He makes up for many flaws. We saw it this year.
Airans overachieved with lesser talent as has been recognized as coach of the year twice in a short amount of time. Tomlin's team tend to underachieve, often losing to sub .500 teams.
Our record in the playoffs without Airans is poor and we can thank the stupid Bengals, Otherwise, our last playoff win would be in 2011...when Arians was still on the team!
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So, Carson, in all the years he has played, only recently learned to play well when Arians took him in? Might it have to do with Carson's basic understanding of football that exceeded that of Kolb/Skelton?
BTW, I don't believe I have put down what Arians has done in AZ. The ridiculous statement you continue to make has to do with his year with the Colts and a meaningless award.
BTW, I don't believe I have put down what Arians has done in AZ. The ridiculous statement you continue to make has to do with his year with the Colts and a meaningless award.
I never thought anyone would as annoying as Idioteque. But Coach maybe be close very ******* close
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Carson Palmer is 36 yeara old,( will be 37 this season ) and on his 3rd team. What he has done under Airans in the past two seasons has been pretty remarkable considering the players around him on offense, which are not as good as the Steelers OL or Skill players
In the past two years, he's 19-3 as the starter, 46TD's, 14 INT.
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Of course Arians is a better coach than Tomlin, says the guys that screamed to fire Arians for 2 straight years...
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I find your posts to be rather a shallow in terms of football material. Message boards are about opinions.If you don't like mine, skip the post. It takes little will power. I know you can do it!
Just admit you are an unapologetic Tomlin ball washer and will greet those who don't view him with rose colored glasses ( myself and others on the board ) with antipathy.
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That's fine, but he was not a very good offensive coordinator if you want to put points on the board and keep your QB healthy.
Right and with a poor offensive line, he played his offensive system right into the weakness rather than work around it. That's just dumb coaching. You also make it sound like the Steelers were devoid of offensive talent. During those years they had Parker, Mendenhall (a first-round pick), Ward, Holmes, Wallace.
Ben was sacked nearly 3 times per game under Arians and arguably his best season under BA was in 2007 when they were still basically running Whiz's offensive system. He threw for 22.6 touchdowns, 11.4 interceptions and was sacked 43 times per season. Since Haley took over, the Steelers have developed into a top-3 offense in the NFL while Roethlisberger has thrown for 26.8 touchdowns, 11.8 interceptions and 25 sacks per year. His completion percentage and average yards per attempt have increased each year under Haley. Argue all you want, but Roethlisberger has developed under Haley and regressed under Arians.
Coach is reporting posts in this thread. Grow a ******* pair coach and get over it. No one is breaking any rules.
And Arians lost to Landry ******* Jones last year when he supposedly had one of the best defenses in the league.
And Arians lost to Landry ******* Jones last year when he supposedly had one of the best defenses in the league.
But I'm consistent. You on the other hand switch more then a hooker. Just like some one already posted you hated Arian's and now he is great coach.. All you do is post half quotes and stats to fit whatever argument you are trying spew at the moment.
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1 ) Hasn't Ben missed more time under Haley? Yep. Ben misses 7 games under Haley in 2012 and 2015. This is more games than he missed under Airans combined. Ya wanna talk about the history of his health?
2 ) Isn't the OL better post Airans due to draft pick like Decastro, and Gilbert developing? Yes. Would you not agree?
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Parker was shot shortly after the first super bowl. On the decline as early as 2008. Mendenhall a jerk off. Bell and Williams > than that Parker and Mendy. Not even close!
Holmes was off the team after the 2009 season. Arians was here until 2011. I'll take Brown, Bryant, and Wheaton over Wallace ( who was nothing without Ben ), and Ward mostly on the decline, who frankly was also past his prime by 2010.
Again the OL is better now. Might that have something to do with why he was sacked as often back then? Brown and Bell are rated #1 at their respective positons according to some. Arians never had a chance to work with either.
PS: If you want to compare Airans record as the OC here or on the Colts to Haley's OC record I can help you. If you want to compare Arians recrod as a heach coach to Haley...nah, that would be curel.
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Yes, you are consistent when it comes to extreme homerism on Tomlin.
When have I switched my tune on Arians here? That's BS. Show me the source.
Funny, the stats I post often can not be countered and the 3rd party opinions or awards don't seem to count much.
You just can't build a better case, which is why you need to go ad hominem and start insults.
No worries pal, I root just as hard or harder on game day.
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LOL the thread is Hysterical ...
The question is WHY is Arians bitching 3 years after the fact ... Fired/ Retired the Steelers gave him a graceful out .. it was TIME -- SUCK it up and move on, be grateful that you did EXCEL in your new jobs. Why look back at your failures . LOL
PLEASE grow up and act like an adult instead of a WHINY child --
The question is WHY is Arians bitching 3 years after the fact ... Fired/ Retired the Steelers gave him a graceful out .. it was TIME -- SUCK it up and move on, be grateful that you did EXCEL in your new jobs. Why look back at your failures . LOL
PLEASE grow up and act like an adult instead of a WHINY child --
Lol ok coach back in the day I would of argued with you for twenty pages but no need. All you going to do is switch your argument anyway. Or use half a quote lol.
Tomlin is still here so my argument that he is good must have some merit.
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I asked for you to show me the
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It's not accurate. I have never said Arians is a bad coach. Quite the opposite. Now are you going to show me this bunk?
Maybe your thin skinned and need to call people names, just don't misquote me or make up things I didn't say.
I was going with this. If its not true cool no problem I assumed it was.. your perturbed I called you annoying lol OK. Sorry Coach. Ctfu
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I don't disagree with the bolded part. All this and throwing to that scrub Fitzgerald, too. As I stated, he has the same 3 main receivers that were there the year before Arians got there. A decently competent QB could do better than the Kolb/Skelton combo The Whiz put together. Palmer has exceed that, but he was never a scrub QB anyway. My quibble is "How much did Arians have to do with that?" Neither of us know, but I haven't put down Arians' results in AZ or held him up on a pedestal because of it.
I wonder why you left out his first year under Arians? Is it the 24 TD's with 22 int's?
Ahhhh that annoying habit of leaving out stats that don't fit his argument pops up again SMH
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Never said otherwise. As I stated multiple times, Arians played into that weakness, which is dumb coaching.
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Again, never said the current talent isn't better, but let's not pretend they had nothing to work with before then.
Arians also had a chance to help Ben avoid the sacks by coaching him to not hold onto the ball so long or to not call so many plays designed with 7 step drops.
Not at all, never brought it up because it's irrelevant to their performance with the Steelers.
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Do you know what Arian's record is without Palmer?