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Tomlin era drafts reviewed (AGAIN)

Bobby Bufford said:
See, I thought we didn't change our game plan. I thought they kept daring Tebow to beat them deep and he did all game, and needed 1 play in OT. But I didn't know we had 2 DL out.
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Every steeler fan knows this. Hampton keisel out before half. Starks on offense also. All would have missed the following week. We would have been destroyed in New England without those guys and Ben on one leg
 
Bobby Bufford said:
See, I thought we didn't change our game plan. I thought they kept daring Tebow to beat them deep and he did all game, and needed 1 play in OT. But I didn't know we had 2 DL out.
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I wonder how many DL we had out when Ryan Mallett came off the scrap heap to beat Shades' D a few years later?
 
BLITZ said:
Troy was pretty easy to develop would be my guess. Ike for a fourth rd pick was awesome but not sure if he really developed. he could cover his *** off but couldn't catch the ball. hope was ok and townsend was ok. what made they last 3 really good was having Harrison in his prime rushing the QB
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Troy was a smart guy. A hard worker, and coached up from USC who is known to produce excellent DB's. Cowher and his staff turned him into a special player.


Ike was the opposite, he was very raw and required coaching which Cowher and his staff game him.


I just see a long list of DB drafted disappointments under Tomlin. Cortez Allen, Chris Brown, Artie Burns, Senquez Golson, ect....


The Steelers did pick a decent Corner in Lewis ( 2009 ) but Tomlin didn't like him and Lewis signed elsewhere in free agency.


Our ability to pick DB's lately rages between Are you Kidding me to WFT. I hope Layne can change that, I like that pick, just like I liked the Lewis pick and disliked the Burns and Golson picks.


A parade of quality DB's like Fuller, Peters and Howard have passed by the Steelers in the draft.
 
Coach said:
Troy was a smart guy. A hard worker, and coached up from USC who is known to produce excellent DB's. Cowher and his staff turned him into a special player.


Ike was the opposite, he was very raw and required coaching which Cowher and his staff game him.


I just see a long list of DB drafted disappointments under Tomlin. Cortez Allen, Chris Brown, Artie Burns, Senquez Golson, ect....


The Steelers did pick a decent Corner in Lewis ( 2009 ) but Tomlin didn't like him and Lewis signed elsewhere in free agency.


Our ability to pick DB's lately rages between Are you Kidding me to WFT. I hope Layne can change that, I like that pick, just like I liked the Lewis pick and disliked the Burns and Golson picks.


A parade of quality DB's like Fuller, Peters and Howard have passed by the Steelers in the draft.
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You never have to remind us who you didn't like. As you say it over and over and over again. And it is well known Tombert's struggle at drafting corners. It is why they have two free agents starting.

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Coach said:
It should also be noted that Tomlin and the positional coaches are responsible for developing the players. Tomlin a former DB and alleged top cover two mind has failed in this department.


Polamalu Talyor,Hope, and Townsend were fine picks by Colbert, developed by Bill Cowher and his staff that Tomlin inherited. I haven't seen much in terms of DB development of drafted players since Tomlin became the head coach, have you? Colbert did bring in Clark and Haden, which were solid moves, but these were already developed players from other NFL Staff's


LeBeau covered up for the lack of talent among the DB's as best as he could.


Butler, whom Tomlin picked to replace him guided the defense to a 16th overall ranking, 23rd vs the pass, and 28th overall in terms of interceptions.
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A. As Cope indicated, Tomlin was a WR in college.

B. Townsend was a Donohoe draft pick, not Colbert.

Will Gay, Keenan Lewis there’s two.

Butler’s defense, with all his flaws have been ranked 11, 10, 7 and 16. Higher than Coach LeBeau’s last year (18).

Your research aptitude is so compelling it’s almost as if you state things as you believe them, rather than with actual facts based knowledge.


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Ike Kelly said:
A. As Cope indicated, Tomlin was a WR in college.

B. Townsend was a Donohoe draft pick, not Colbert.

Will Gay, Keenan Lewis there’s two.

Butler’s defense, with all his flaws have been ranked 11, 10, 7 and 16. Higher than Coach LeBeau’s last year (18).

Your research aptitude is so compelling it’s almost as if you state things as you believe them, rather than with actual facts based knowledge.


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Tomlin was a WR for what one year? Then coached WRs for a couple of years. But all of his NFL coaching and probably half of his college coaching has been defense. Cowher started as a STs coach. But that means dick after he went to the defense and started coaching LBs. Lots of players switch over from what they played. Especially since Tomlin didn't play long.

Also Lebeau's last year was tough because Tomlin had already started tinkering with the defense. I'm sure that probably played at least a small role in him leaving and going to TN. To compare his last year to Butler is a mistake.
 
Vader said:
Tomlin was a WR for what one year? Then coached WRs for a couple of years. But all of his NFL coaching and probably half of his college coaching has been defense. Cowher started as a STs coach. But that means dick after he went to the defense and started coaching LBs. Lots of players switch over from what they played. Especially since Tomlin didn't play long.

Also Lebeau's last year was tough because Tomlin had already started tinkering with the defense. I'm sure that probably played at least a small role in him leaving and going to TN. To compare his last year to Butler is a mistake.
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No where near comparing Butler to DLB Vader. Butler has a long march to even sniff LeBeau type numbers. Just identifying the inaccuracies of the previous poster. Something he is notorious for.


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Ike Kelly said:
No where near comparing Butler to DLB Vader. Butler has a long march to even sniff LeBeau type numbers. Just identifying the inaccuracies of the previous poster. Something he is notorious for.


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I was just pointing out that I wouldn't compare Butler's few years to DL's last year. Seems like an apple to oranges comparison to me. Plus I don't think Butler is running the defense anyway. Tomlin has already said that he calls some of the plays and it's obvious that his fingerprints are all over it. I really don't know what type of a defense Butler would run.
 
I find it curious that Butler is still listed as a DC on the roster. I thought once he gained the LB coach title again that it was presumed Tomlin was taking over as DC. Not that his fingers haven't already been in the pie.
 
slashsteel said:
I find it curious that Butler is still listed as a DC on the roster. I thought once he gained the LB coach title again that it was presumed Tomlin was taking over as DC. Not that his fingers haven't already been in the pie.
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Butler gets OLB coach added to his title, we already know Tomlin is heavily is involved and then they hire Teryl Austin as an additional defensive assistant. Not a good sign for Butler being in charge of this defense for much longer unless they have a big year.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
Butler gets OLB coach added to his title, we already know Tomlin is heavily is involved and then they hire Teryl Austin as an additional defensive assistant. Not a good sign for Butler being in charge of this defense for much longer unless they have a big year.
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I just remember too often confusion present on D. I wonder if an upgrade in talent helps solve that problem. Or will the players feel a tug of war kind of effect on what to do, with so many coaches with fingers in the cookie jar.
 
slashsteel said:
I just remember too often confusion present on D. I wonder if an upgrade in talent helps solve that problem. Or will the players feel a tug of war kind of effect on what to do, with so many coaches with fingers in the cookie jar.
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They have the same problem on offense after big plays. Too often they need a time out after a 40-yard gain. But absolutely spot on with the defensive play calls. I remember at the start of last year Bostic still looking over toward the sideline for the play as the other team was snapping the ball. You can place this issue directly on the shoulders of the head coach.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
They have the same problem on offense after big plays. Too often they need a time out after a 40-yard gain. But absolutely spot on with the defensive play calls. I remember at the start of last year Bostic still looking over toward the sideline for the play as the other team was snapping the ball. You can place this issue directly on the shoulders of the head coach.
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Is that not practicing particular play scenarios enough, the need to water the playbooks down, one or both or something else?
 
slashsteel said:
Is that not practicing particular play scenarios enough, the need to water the playbooks down, one or both or something else?
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I saw it suggested on Twitter (forget who) to rush him from a different spot on the field, one spot in particular was from more of an ILB spot where he can use his speed to shoot the gaps.
 
Vader said:
I was just pointing out that I wouldn't compare Butler's few years to DL's last year. Seems like an apple to oranges comparison to me. Plus I don't think Butler is running the defense anyway. Tomlin has already said that he calls some of the plays and it's obvious that his fingerprints are all over it. I really don't know what type of a defense Butler would run.
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This year, that will definitely be the case with Tomlin running the D.

In your earlier post, Tomlin coached for 1yr at WR at W&M. He played 3 seasons at WR and was 1st team all yankee conference in 94', Before that, he was recruited as a WR from playing his HS career as one. Might be a reason why most of our drafted WRs turn out to be good players?
 
Cope said:
This year, that will definitely be the case with Tomlin running the D.

In your earlier post, Tomlin coached for 1yr at WR at W&M. He played 3 seasons at WR and was 1st team all yankee conference in 94', Before that, he was recruited as a WR from playing his HS career as one. Might be a reason why most of our drafted WRs turn out to be good players?
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You're right. I couldn't remember how long he was a WR. I just knew he didn't coach WRs much.
 
slashsteel said:
Is that not practicing particular play scenarios enough, the need to water the playbooks down, one or both or something else?
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It's called,............ "NOT COACHING THE LITTLE THINGS"...................

ANY NFL PLAYER knows what to do after big play but if never coached towards that then it is secondary to the event. It's about NOT holding accountable and to relaxed atmospher surrounding team. If you don't have to fully think in practice you're NOT going to fully think in the games. PRETY MUCH coaching aspect.





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Drink IRON City said:
It's called,............ "NOT COACHING THE LITTLE THINGS"...................

ANY NFL PLAYER knows what to do after big play but if never coached towards that then it is secondary to the event. It's about NOT holding accountable and to relaxed atmospher surrounding team. If you don't have to fully think in practice you're NOT going to fully think in the games. PRETY MUCH coaching aspect.
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This pisses me off because it's true.
 
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