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Tomlin Deserves Credit

You're arguing against yourself insaniti.

The first three years, Tomlin had a great deal more of the defensive core that Cowher and Donahoe had built up. Clearly THAT was what helped him win more of those playoff games and even snatch a SB victory.

After more and more of Cowher's core retired or got traded out, Tomlin has shown that HE cannot build a strong enough team to compete. And the longer it's gone the less and less Ben and AB have been able to do to overcome Tomlin's incompetency.

Face it man, there is NO way around Tomlin's failure. He has a 1st ballot H.O.F. QB, probably one of the top 3 WRs ever to play the game, one of the most dominant offensive lines in football (Although admittedly THAT has not been a constant over his tenure) and his over-riding claim to fame is that he's never had a "losing" season.

The truth is, Ben has never had a losing season, AB has never had a losing season and Tomlin has been along for the ride and gotten paychecks.

I'm sorry. It's painful, but it's also unavoidable.
 
wig said:
You're arguing against yourself insaniti.

The first three years, Tomlin had a great deal more of the defensive core that Cowher and Donahoe had built up. Clearly THAT was what helped him win more of those playoff games and even snatch a SB victory.

After more and more of Cowher's core retired or got traded out, Tomlin has shown that HE cannot build a strong enough team to compete. And the longer it's gone the less and less Ben and AB have been able to do to overcome Tomlin's incompetency.

Face it man, there is NO way around Tomlin's failure. He has a 1st ballot H.O.F. QB, probably one of the top 3 WRs ever to play the game, one of the most dominant offensive lines in football (Although admittedly THAT has not been a constant over his tenure) and his over-riding claim to fame is that he's never had a "losing" season.

The truth is, Ben has never had a losing season, AB has never had a losing season and Tomlin has been along for the ride and gotten paychecks.

I'm sorry. It's painful, but it's also unavoidable.
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Love this narrative that Tomlin is just along for the ride. When we win, it's the players, when we lose its the coach lol.

Tomlin can't build a strong enough team to compete, but went to another super bowl, and just two years ago had us in the afccg, not to mention an AB concussion away from another one when we went to Denver and lost by 7, playing without not only AB, but also Bell.

But you're right, Tomlin has caused this team to have such key injuries in key games, and can't build a winning team at all.

Hell, it was said in the broadcast, this was the fifth straight game against the pats that we were missing a key player...

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Wig, name 1 coach in the hall of fame that didnt have a hall of fame QB. Name 1... if we're really going to discount Tomlin's accomplishments because of his QB then you'll have to discount every single hall of fame coach too including Belichick. There's teams with a Probowl/hall of fame QB right now that wont never even sniff a Super Bowl or come close to Tomlins win percentage. You still have to play and win with the team you have.. This argument is ridiculous.
 
is Drew Brees a hall of fame QB?

he and sean payton have had a few losing seasons.

they're not gimmee's.
 
paperclip said:
is Drew Brees a hall of fame QB?

he and sean payton have had a few losing seasons.

they're not gimmee's.
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It's funny you never hear anyone use the argument, well Ben has never had a losing season, fans just bash the **** out of him for sucking.

No one is saying Cowher is the greatest coach ever, but just because alot think Cowher is a better coach doesn't mean Tomlin sucks either.

Cowher did make more AFCCG without a franchise QB as Tomlin has with a franchise QB. Also Cowher did a much better job at rebuilding his roster.

What part of the team has Tomlin upgraded compared to the team he took over in 2007? Oline

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If I were voting Belichick and Brady would NOT get into the hall. I know I am not voting.

So your over-riding point, then Insaniti is that Tomlin at the very least cannot overcome injuries to his H.O.F. WR through scheme and coaching? Is that about the size of it?

And I will give the you the Packer's SB. I honestly believe the Steelers win that game if Mendenhall doesn't have the worst timed fumble ever.

as for this...
When we win, it's the players, when we lose its the coach lol.
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The players do indeed regularly overcome coaching deficiencies. The coach almost never overcomes personnel deficiencies.
 
Coryea said:
It's funny you never hear anyone use the argument, well Ben has never had a losing season, fans just bash the **** out of him for sucking.

No one is saying Cowher is the greatest coach ever, but just because alot think Cowher is a better coach doesn't mean Tomlin sucks either.

Cowher did make more AFCCG without a franchise QB as Tomlin has with a franchise QB. Also Cowher did a much better job at rebuilding his roster.

What part of the team has Tomlin upgraded compared to the team he took over in 2007? Oline

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OL, WR. I'd argue RB that fits todays NFL. HELL, we were playing, essentially, a 3rd string RB, rookie the last 2 games.
 
Coryea, I'm just saying that just because he's a hall of fame QB doesn't mean wins come automatic or SB are easy. Drew Brees is arguably the best statistical QB, but has only been to 1 SB.

It's the point that "Tomlin has a 1st ballot HOF QB, he should be able to...."

Well, sometimes **** happens.

Upgrades to OL and WR? I don't know.
 
wig said:
If I were voting Belichick and Brady would NOT get into the hall. I know I am not voting.

So your over-riding point, then Insaniti is that Tomlin at the very least cannot overcome injuries to his H.O.F. WR through scheme and coaching? Is that about the size of it?

And I will give the you the Packer's SB. I honestly believe the Steelers win that game if Mendenhall doesn't have the worst timed fumble ever.

as for this...

The players do indeed regularly overcome coaching deficiencies. The coach almost never overcomes personnel deficiencies.
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Or if Ben didnt throw a pick 6....
 
I give Tomlin credit for the mediocre 8-5-1 record because that is who he is, mediocrity personified. I give him credit for his awful 3-6 playoff record since 2010. He is a product of the best franchise in football with a HOF QB and he has underachieved. anyone who thinks 3 playoff wins in 9 years is OK with this talent is a fool.
 
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insaniti said:
I've stated facts over and over again, but they get ignored. But whatever, call me what you want. It doesn't effect me one bit. You're just a name on the internet that's sitting at home not coaching nfl football just like me. It's opinion.

Here is a more comparable fact. Cohwer was 5-1 in the playoffs with Ben in three years. Tomlin was 3-1 his first three years.

What do they both have in common? Super bowl wins. But hey, let's just assume that Cohwer would have continued to have the exact same results if he had stayed. That's fair right?
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Actually, it was YOU who FIRST called me one of a "bunch of ******* thin skinned crybaby's on here making **** up to fit their agenda's." It's OK for you to call people whatever you want, I guess.

You're just a name on the internet who misuses apostrophes. And show me where I EVER said Cowher would have continued to have the exact same results had he stayed. You can't, because I never said that. Keep saying it, though, maybe you can convince yourself.

Anyway, let's go ahead and take a closer look at your fact. Which record is better, 5-1 (.833), or 3-1 (.750)? Regular season, Ben under Cowher 29-11 (.725), Ben under Tomlin 31-15 (.674). Which one is better?

So even though Ben was a rookie, a second-year player, and a third-year player dealing with a concussion from a motorcycle accident under Cowher, compared to being a seasoned veteran QB in seasons 4-6 under Tomlin, the numbers were better with Cowher.

Thanks for helping out the ******* thin-skinned crybabies by further disproving your non-argument.
 
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OL, WR. I'd argue RB that fits todays NFL. HELL, we were playing, essentially, a 3rd string RB, rookie the last 2 games.
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OL I agree, WR, he had Ward and Holmes, two Super Bowl MVPs, if JuJu stays on track, but I think Ward Holmes Washington is still ahead of this group.
This is kind of proving the point, everything revolves around the franchise QB. Nothing on the defensive side of the ball has gotten better

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paperclip said:
Coryea, I'm just saying that just because he's a hall of fame QB doesn't mean wins come automatic or SB are easy. Drew Brees is arguably the best statistical QB, but has only been to 1 SB.

It's the point that "Tomlin has a 1st ballot HOF QB, he should be able to...."

Well, sometimes **** happens.

Upgrades to OL and WR? I don't know.
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I agree, but if you were an owner, and you had your pick of one position to start your franchise with, every one would say franchise QB.

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