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Today in mass shootings

I've never had a gun nor wanted a gun, but I have been considering it lately. Just thinking we probably should buy one while we still can.

Unless you're looking at assault rifles, I don't think you have to be worried about it. And I'm not sure you even have to worry about it even if you are interested in assault rifles.
 
Yes because they risked being shot by police according to an interview parker gave. Thats why I say more guns generally do not help. Yes you may have cases where the guy at 7-11 shoots a robber once in a blue moon but in the case of mass shooters it seems to exacarbate the chaos.


Trained and armed security seems a better option.

Really? You have a case in mind where a mass shooting scenario has been exacerbated by a good guy w/ a gun?

Bomma's Most Wonderfulest Gun Control Proposal as Deemed Necessary By The King Himself.

http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/summary-president-obama-gun-proposals.aspx




White HousePresident Obama has unveiled a plan to address gun violence in the nation. The initiative consists of 23 executive actions and three presidential memoranda, most of which will require congressional approval. Many parts of the plan may have significant effects on states.

The plan:
  • Requires background checks for all gun sales and strengthens the background check system. This would include removing barriers under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act so that states may more freely share information about mental health issues involving potential gun purchasers.
  • Provides states with monetary incentives—$20 million in fiscal year FY 2013 and a proposed $50 million in FY 2014—to share information so that records on criminal history and people prohibited from gun ownership due to mental health reasons are more available.
  • Bans military-style assault weapons and limits magazines to a capacity of 10 rounds.
  • Provides additional tools to law enforcement. The plan proposes a crackdown on gun trafficking by asking Congress to pass legislation that closes “loopholes” in gun trafficking laws and establishes strict penalties for “straw purchasers” who pass a background check and then pass guns on to prohibited people.
  • Urges Congress to pass the administration’s $4 billion proposal to keep 15,000 state and local police officers on the street to help deter gun crime.
  • Maximizes efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. The president calls upon the attorney general to work with U.S. attorneys across the country to determine gaps occurring in this area and where supplemental resources are appropriate.
  • Provides training for “active shooter” situations to 14,000 law enforcement, first responders and school officials.
  • Directs the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services to issue a statement to health care providers that they are not prohibited by federal law from reporting threats of violence to the proper authorities.
  • Launches a national gun safety campaign to encourage responsible gun ownership and authorizes the Consumer Product Safety Commission to examine issues relating to gun safety locks.
  • Helps schools invest in safety. The president’s plan calls for more school resource officers and counselors in all schools through the Community Oriented Policing Services hiring program. The plan also calls for the federal government to assist schools in developing emergency management plans.
  • Improves mental health awareness through enhanced teacher training and referrals for treatment. The plan calls for the training of 5,000 additional mental health professionals nationwide. The plan also calls for coverage of mental health treatment under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act of 2008.


some of these I can agree with. Most, I can not.

Most of them sound very innocuous....always raises a red flag.

back in the dark ages, we had hunter/gun safety classes. IN PUBLIC SCHOOL!!!???? oh the horror.

Still do here.......how provincially quaint, huh?

Obama didn’t say them. Nor did he seriously address the other approach that could make a difference: more aggressive psychiatric intervention. These massacres are almost invariably perpetrated by severely disturbed, isolated, often delusional young men. .

Why would he say that? It would alienate his voting base.

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When did Jeff Reed get all political?

Indeed. Have you been to a gun range to see what firearm suits you? Pretty much every range will allow you to rent a gun. Try out Glock 9 mm and 40 caliber. I recommend that you do so, and then sign up for a gun safety class. Learn how to load, unload and clean the gun.

I usually recommend hammerless revolvers for new initiates....but it's a personal choice.
 
I usually recommend hammerless revolvers for new initiates....but it's a personal choice.

I concur, especially for women, no saftey or 'rounds in the chamber' to worry about

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I usually recommend hammerless revolvers for new initiates....but it's a personal choice.

I have used both revolvers and semi-automatics, and VASTLY prefer the semi. Obviously, I am letting my personal choice color my recommendation here.

What I dislike about revolvers is the amount of pressure needed to fire the gun. I squeeze off a round with a revolver and have to re-sight. I squeeze off a round with a semi, and I am still lined up on the target and ready to send another round towards the paper bad guy.
 
I have used both revolvers and semi-automatics, and VASTLY prefer the semi. Obviously, I am letting my personal choice color my recommendation here.

What I dislike about revolvers is the amount of pressure needed to fire the gun. I squeeze off a round with a revolver and have to re-sight. I squeeze off a round with a semi, and I am still lined up on the target and ready to send another round towards the paper bad guy.

Yeah, we know you meant "black guy"...******* racists make me sick with all of your code words.
 
Indeed. Have you been to a gun range to see what firearm suits you? Pretty much every range will allow you to rent a gun. Try out Glock 9 mm and 40 caliber. I recommend that you do so, and then sign up for a gun safety class. Learn how to load, unload and clean the gun.
Nope, I have never had a gun in my hands in my life. I'm absent-minded and kind of a klutz...I figure I'm more likely to accidentally shoot myself than anybody else. What's the best gun for someone like that, lol?

Unless you're looking at assault rifles, I don't think you have to be worried about it. And I'm not sure you even have to worry about it even if you are interested in assault rifles.

Assault rifles have been banned for decades. If you mean a regular semi-automatic rifle that looks scary and militaristic, no, I'm not thinking about one of those. Probably a handgun of some sort.
 
Don't blink, or you'll miss the next tragic shooting event...nothing to see here.

Gunman kills one, wounds three at Northern Arizona University
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/09/us-usa-shooting-arizona-idUSKCN0S317G20151009

An 18-year-old student killed one person and wounded three others when he opened fire during a confrontation on the campus of Northern Arizona University early on Friday before being arrested in the latest shooting to hit a U.S. school, authorities said.

The suspected gunman was identified as Steven Jones, a freshman at the university, campus police chief Gregory Fowler said. He said Jones pulled the handgun in a "confrontation" with several students.

Colin Brough was killed in the shooting, according to the university. The three injured students, identified as Nicholas Prato, Kyle Zientek and Nicholas Piring, suffered multiple gunshot wounds and were being treated at Flagstaff Medical Center, Fowler said. Their conditions were not disclosed.

The shooting occurred just hours before President Barack Obama was scheduled to visit Roseburg, Oregon to meet privately with families of nine people killed in a mass shooting at a community college there last week.


What a shocker:

The Northern Arizona University shooter is another hardcore gun nut who loved to pose with his Precious.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats...sed-with-guns.html?via=desktop&source=twitter

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Don't blink, or you'll miss the next tragic shooting event...nothing to see here.

I don't think anyone's suggested they aren't a problem. We just disagree on what might help and what won't. But this is typical liberal speak...if you don't agree with the proposed liberal solutions to things it means you just don't care.
 
Looks like one school shooting is not gonna suffice for today...

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HPD: 1 dead after shooting on campus of Texas Southern University
http://www.click2houston.com/news/h...r-at-least-1-person-shot-near-campus/35747894

HOUSTON - One person has died following a shooting outside an apartment complex on the campus of Texas Southern University, police confirm.

The shooting happened at the Courtyard Apartments on Blodgett at Canfield around 11:30 a.m. Friday. One person was taken to the hospital in critical condition, where they later died. The other person was listed in stable condition. A possible suspect is in custody, according to HPD.

TSU's president said the shooting may have been the result of an argument. Classes at TSU have been canceled for the remainder of the day Friday.

Police say there was another shooting at the same complex Thursday night. That shooter remains on the loose and it is not known if the incidents are related.
 
Nope, I have never had a gun in my hands in my life. I'm absent-minded and kind of a klutz...I figure I'm more likely to accidentally shoot myself than anybody else. What's the best gun for someone like that, lol?



Assault rifles have been banned for decades. If you mean a regular semi-automatic rifle that looks scary and militaristic, no, I'm not thinking about one of those. Probably a handgun of some sort.

Seems like a rifle or shotgun is what you need. Harder to accidently shoot yourself Definitely do NOT get a Glock. No separate safety that has to be disengaged.
 
Seems like a rifle or shotgun is what you need. Harder to accidently shoot yourself Definitely do NOT get a Glock. No separate safety that has to be disengaged.

Yeah maybe. I guess you don't have to have the best aim with a shotgun. Not as much fun to do the Charlie's Angels poses with though.
 
Seems like a rifle or shotgun is what you need. Harder to accidently shoot yourself Definitely do NOT get a Glock. No separate safety that has to be disengaged.

The "safety" for the Glock is keeping a round out of the chamber. I prefer having a semi with no safety ... If I need to use the damn thing for something other than sport, I don't want to have to look down at the weapon to make sure it's on red.
 
and again, Tibs, we know this is happening. no one denies it.
but the proposals put forth by the elected parties will not do anything. it'd be an astronomical waste of time and money.

why can't we put armed guards in our public schools? they're in private schools.
 
We're not gonna take it.....



Armed Protesters Gather As Obama Visits Oregon Shooting Victims' Families


Gun-toting protesters gathered on Friday morning to await President Obama's arrival in Roseburg, Ore., where he planned to meet with the families of victims of last week's mass shooting at Umpqua Community College.

But local residents planned to protest Obama's visit, saying he rushed to "politicize" the tragedy by pushing a gun control agenda.

"My family, my friends, everybody down here is not happy about him coming," Michelle Finn, a Umpqua alumna and Roseburg native, told the Oregonian. "He already says he's going to politicize this — he's already going to push his agenda."

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-roseburg-shooting-armed-protesters
 
why can't we put armed guards in our public schools? they're in private schools.

Job opportunity. Of course there are people like me and you and people like our friend who I will call "Mike".
 
The "safety" for the Glock is keeping a round out of the chamber. I prefer having a semi with no safety ... If I need to use the damn thing for something other than sport, I don't want to have to look down at the weapon to make sure it's on red.

I understand the Glock safety. She said she is a bit of a clutz. Not sure that goes well with a Glock.
 
I concur, especially for women, no saftey or 'rounds in the chamber' to worry about

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That's exactly what I bought for Mrs. F. Then the ubiquitous boating mishap........

I have used both revolvers and semi-automatics, and VASTLY prefer the semi. Obviously, I am letting my personal choice color my recommendation here.

What I dislike about revolvers is the amount of pressure needed to fire the gun. I squeeze off a round with a revolver and have to re-sight. I squeeze off a round with a semi, and I am still lined up on the target and ready to send another round towards the paper bad guy.

Yeah, the trigger reset on the Glock can be a nice feature for bullseye shooting......just pretty useless imo for combat style shooting.....when I'm cranking out rounds quickly I don't even notice it.

Nope, I have never had a gun in my hands in my life. I'm absent-minded and kind of a klutz...I figure I'm more likely to accidentally shoot myself than anybody else. What's the best gun for someone like that, lol?


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Asked and answered at least from my pov.....semi's take more knowledge and practice, again imo, than revolvers to become as familiar with as one should be before carrying. A Glock, as pointed out, has no safety so an inexperienced or klutzy person should probably carry it with nothing chambered which means you would need to take the time to manually work the slide before you could shoot.

A revolver can be carried fully loaded. The "safety" is the much higher resistance trigger pull ( the trigger pull both cocks and releases the hidden hammer so trigger pull is longer and harder ((that's what she said)) than that of a semi.) Thus the term "double action."

Hammerless revolvers are good for purse carry because there's no exposed hammer to snag on anything. See Spike's picture.

The "safety" for the Glock is keeping a round out of the chamber. I prefer having a semi with no safety ... If I need to use the damn thing for something other than sport, I don't want to have to look down at the weapon to make sure it's on red.

Shouldn't have to "look" for anything 'Time......practice, practice, practice......and I would never carry a semi w/o a round in the chamber.

I understand the Glock safety. She said she is a bit of a clutz. Not sure that goes well with a Glock.

It doesn't....I seem to remember a lot of accidental discharges in the news when LE around the country began transitioning to Glocks.
 
Spot on...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...5d0004-6dec-11e5-b31c-d80d62b53e28_story.html

There’s the cycle of poverty. There’s the cycle of violence. And then there’s the cycle of gun talk. It starts with a mass shooting. Gun-control advocates blame the deaths on gun-control opponents, who argue, in turn, that none of the proposed restrictions would have had any effect on the incident in question. The debate goes nowhere. The media move on.

Until the next incident, when the cycle begins again.

So with the Roseburg massacre in Oregon. Within hours, President Obama takes to the microphones to furiously denounce the National Rifle Association and its ilk for resisting “common-sense gun-safety laws.” His harangue is totally sincere, totally knee-jerk and totally pointless. At the time he delivers it, he — and we — know practically nothing about the shooter, nothing about the weapons, nothing about how they were obtained.

Nor does Obama propose any legislation. He knows none would pass. But the deeper truth is that it would have made no difference. Does anyone really believe that the (alleged) gun-show loophole had anything to do with Roseburg? Universal background checks sound wonderful. But Oregon already has one. The Roseburg shooter and his mother obtained every one of their guns legally.

The reason the debate is so muddled, indeed surreal — notice, by the way, how “gun control” has been cleverly rechristened “common-sense gun-safety laws,” as if we’re talking about accident proofing — is that both sides know that the only measure that might actually prevent mass killings has absolutely no chance of ever being enacted.
Mere “common-sense” regulation, like the assault weapons ban of 1994 that was allowed to lapse 10 years later, does little more than make us feel good. A Justice Department study found “no discernible reduction in the lethality and injuriousness of gun violence.”

As for the only remotely plausible solution, Obama dare not speak its name. He made an oblique reference to Australia, never mentioning that its gun-control innovation was confiscation, by means of a mandatory buyback. There’s a reason he didn’t bring up confiscation (apart from the debate about its actual efficacy in reducing gun violence in Australia). In this country, with its traditions, public sentiment and, most importantly, Second Amendment, them’s fightin’ words.


Obama didn’t say them. Nor did he seriously address the other approach that could make a difference: more aggressive psychiatric intervention. These massacres are almost invariably perpetrated by severely disturbed, isolated, often delusional young men.

Yet even here, our reach is limited. In some cases, yes, involuntary commitment would have made a difference. Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter, was so unstable, so menacing, that fellow students at his community college feared, said one, that he would “come into class with an automatic weapon.” Under our crazy laws, however, he had to kill before he could be locked up.

Similarly, the Navy Yard shooter had been found by police a few weeks earlier in a hotel room, psychotic and paranoid. They advised him to get psychiatric help. Advised. Predictably, he fell through the mental health cracks. A month later, he killed 12 and was killed himself, another casualty of a mental-health system that lets the severely psychiatrically ill — you see them sleeping on grates — live and die wretchedly abandoned.

The problem is that these mass-murder cases are fairly unusual. Take Roseburg. That young man had no criminal history, no psychiatric diagnosis beyond Asperger’s, no involvement in public disturbances. How do you find, let alone lock up, someone like that?

There are 320 million Americans. Schizophrenia affects about 1 percent of the population. That’s about 3 million people. Only a tiny fraction are ever violent — and predicting which ones will be is almost impossible.

Loner, socially isolated, often immersed in a fantasy world of violent video games. There are myriad such young men out there, but with different ages of onset, in different stages of derangement. Only a handful will ever harm anyone. What to do? Forcibly apprehend them, treat them, put them on perpetual preventive parole? By the tens of thousands?

Committing the Jared Loughners would have an effect. But even they are the exception among the shooters. Yet “common-sense” gun control would do even less. Unless you’re willing to go all the way.

In the final quarter of his presidency, Obama can very well say what he wants. If he believes in Australian-style confiscation — i.e., abolishing the Second Amendment — why not spell it out? Until he does, he should stop demonizing people for not doing what he won’t even propose.

That is an excellent article. Charles clearly lays out why these issues the Left proposes will not work and questions why we aren't going after the real issues - the mental diseases, the drugs - that drive these people to kill.

Thanks for sharing.
 
The stench of communism fouls the fresh air that true Americans are used to breathing.

you're funny. so if one's opinion differs from yours, they're communist? and air pollution results from this opinion? Trump save us all.
 
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