Today in mass shootings

[Tibs]

I just love when a Liberal :cough::cough:: Tibs) uses "Facts" to try to win an argument.

It may be difficult for you to comprehend, but I'm not trying to "win" any arguments. I don't look at these threads as arguments, nor do I look at them as things that are won and lost. Just an open discussion on a myriad of topics, this one happens to be on mass shootings, mental health and gun control. The fact that a whole lot of you get your panties in a bunch when gun control is brought up, well, that's your deal. I get it, you ******* love your guns, great. That's not gonna keep people from discussing various options, as far as what can be done to cut down on mass shootings around the country.

 

[Tibs]

No the answer is to respect the right of the individual and do away with "Gun Free Zones".

 

[deljzc]

This isn't about gun regulation. It's about the sheer NUMBER of guns in existence in America.

There are 1 billion firearms in the world and 300 million are in the United States. Think about that for a second.

The question to ask any gun rights activist is "Can you propose a method of reducing the number of firearms on U.S. soil while maintaining your belief the Constitution is being followed?".

That's the ONLY question we need to reach with debate that makes both sides happy. I don't want more gun restrictions. I don't want to defy the Constitution. I just want less guns out there in America because I KNOW less guns means less gun violence. No other bullshit correlation exists other than that. It's not drugs. It's not gun laws. It's not safety zones. It's not dealing with depression. Those are all cover ups to the real issue.

We just have WAY too many guns floating around our country. If we can approach gun owning Americans with this simple idea, there has to be a solution.

Unfortunately, I worry the "gun fight" has just been used by as a propaganda machine by gun manufacturers to encourage MORE gun ownership. And really it's not even more people owning guns. It's just gun owners own more guns now.

I don't have a solution to the issue other than to just let it keep going the way it's going and hope it's not my community to hit next.

 

[Tibs]

I don't have a solution to the issue other than to just let it keep going the way it's going and hope it's not my community to hit next.

Awesome post deljzc, thank you for injecting some much needed sanity into this thread.

Unfortunately, I worry the "gun fight" has just been used by as a propaganda machine by gun manufacturers to encourage MORE gun ownership. And really it's not even more people owning guns. It's just gun owners own more guns now.

There is roughly one gun for every man, woman and child in the United States, as we speak. That's insane.

 

[ark steel]

When I was growing up in rural arkansas, we had several guns in the house. Leaning against the wall near easy access to ammo. During hunting season, kids would drive to school with their guns in their cars so they could go hunting after school without going home first.

I can't remember one incident of gun violence related to any of those guns.

More guns may mean more gun violence but doesn't mean more violence any more than fewer guns means less violence. I'd rather be killed with a gun than beaten to death because I couldn't defend myself.

The criminals simply will not register, apply for background checks or surrender their guns. For ***** sake they can make single shot guns in prison. With 3D printers, they can make their own guns.

"Shall not be infringed" is pretty clear language.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

When I was growing up in rural arkansas, we had several guns in the house. Leaning against the wall near easy access to ammo. During hunting season, kids would drive to school with their guns in their cars so they could go hunting after school without going home first.

I can't remember one incident of gun violence related to any of those guns.

More guns may mean more gun violence but doesn't mean more violence any more than fewer guns means less violence. I'd rather be killed with a gun than beaten to death because I couldn't defend myself.

The criminals simply will not register, apply for background checks or surrender their guns. For ***** sake they can make single shot guns in prison. With 3D printers, they can make their own guns.

"Shall not be infringed" is pretty clear language.

Ark, Tibs is looking for sanity. Our rational arguments aren't sane, unless they echo their feelings. Please stop trying to make sense.

 

[Tibs]

Our rational arguments...

With a special shout out to Ron Burgundy...

 

[Tibs]

"Shall not be infringed" is pretty clear language.

Just out of curiosity, what other specific part of the Consitution do you walk around with printed on your t-shirt in big, bold, black letters? You guys take that 2nd amendment to heart, like there's no tomorrow. Anything else out there of interest beyond having the right to arm ourselves to the teeth?

 

[IndySteel]

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[Vader]

Awesome post deljzc, thank you for injecting some much needed sanity into this thread.

There is roughly one gun for every man, woman and child in the United States, as we speak. That's insane.

What's insane about it? What's wrong with it? If I had 100 guns what difference does it make? I can't shot more than one at a time. What's insane is thinking that sheer numbers of guns has anything to do with gun violence.

 

[Tibs]

What's insane about it? What's wrong with it? If I had 100 guns what difference does it make? I can't shot more than one at a time. What's insane is thinking that sheer numbers of guns has anything to do with gun violence.

From the Oregon shooting... "Law enforcement officials have said they recovered 14 firearms and spare ammunition magazines.." That's what's wrong with it, but clearly that escapes you and many others, for whatever reason(s).

 

[Spike]

I think we need a test before any nationwide gun confiscation program


Let's start with two cities - Detroit and L.A.

Have the cops go door to door and search every single dwelling in those two cities and remove every single firearm that has been obtained illegally and imprison every felon with a gun in their residence.


What? you don't want to stop violent crime?

 

[Tibs]

Let's start with two cities - Detroit and L.A.

Absolutely, that's not even a question. Why would big, urban cities be exempt? It would be the first place to start rounding up illicit firearms. If that means going to war with the inner city gangbangers, have at it. That war's been going on for 3-4 decades. Who in their right mind wouldn't want to round up guns from inner city gangs? Been murdering each other with uzis, ak47's, glocks, shotguns, what have you. Why not start there?

And where do you stop? Simple. All law abiding, responsible, sane citizens can keep their guns. Distinguish yourselves from the wackadoos, terrorists & gang bangers, you can have all the guns on the planet, including bazookas and ballistic missiles. Why would that be asking too much, from law abiding citizens?

 

[Vincent]

I think our society has created a group of horribly narcissistic individuals...

...some of whom we elect president.

 

[IndySteel]

...some of whom we elect president.

Vincent, you're alive! Hooray! There are a few libtards here that could benefit from your enlightenment.

 

[Tibs]

.I think our society has created a group of horribly narcissistic individuals....

...some of whom we elect president.

 

[Tibs]

Vincent, you're alive! Hooray! We're getting our ***** handed to us by a few libtards here, we could benefit from your enlightenment. Please help, or send help, whatever you can do, much appreciated. Holler at ya man.

Indy, try to keep it together. They won't be coming for your guns, not yet. By the time you blink Obama will be building his presidental library and ya'll still have your guns. Let's try to add to the conversation, nothing to be afraid of.

 

[Confluence]

Indy, try to keep it together. They won't be coming for your guns, not yet. By the time you blink Obama will be building his presidental library and ya'll still have your guns. Let's try to add to the conversation, nothing to be afraid of.

Better Call Saul!

 

[Steeltime]

Just out of curiosity, what other specific part of the Consitution do you walk around with printed on your t-shirt in big, bold, black letters? You guys take that 2nd amendment to heart, like there's no tomorrow. Anything else out there of interest beyond having the right to arm ourselves to the teeth?

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I know you may not like the amendment, Tibs, but the 2nd amendment is damn clear. More clear, by far, in its prescriptive statement about the right of citizens to "keep and bear arms" than the 4th amendment, for example:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

The 4th amendment says nothing about suppressing evidence illegally obtained, does it, Tibs? Yet the Supreme Court has held that the amendment must be enforced, and that requires "giving it teeth." Hence, the rule that evidence obtained in violation of the 4th amendment - and all evidence that flowed from the illegally-obtained evidence under the doctrine known as "fruit of the poisonous tree" - must be withheld from the jury. Otherwise, the protection against unreasonable search-and-seizure provided by the 4th amendment is illusory.

Compare that to the 2nd amendment, Tibs. The 2nd amendment plainly mandates, "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

I get that you think the amendment should be revisited in light of semi-automatic weapons, compared to muskets that took 60 seconds to reload, but the Constitution does not work that way. We cannot simply ignore portions we find problematic, and essentially make it up as we go. The Constitution is the sole source of power the Federal government has over me, Tibs - the sole source. If the government can ignore the Constitution, why the hell am I obligated to obey their rules?*

* It's a trick question. The answer is, if the Federal government expects me to play by the rules, they can damn well play by the same rules. Otherwise, **** 'em.

 

[IndySteel]

Indy, try to keep it together. They won't be coming for your guns, not yet. By the time you blink Obama will be building his presidental library and ya'll still have your guns. Let's try to add to the conversation, nothing to be afraid of.

Pull,your panties out of your vaj, wuss-boy.

 

[Tibs]

The Constitution is the sole source of power the Federal government has over me, Tibs - the sole source.

I see the Constitution as the sole source of protection FROM the Federal governmnent.

 

[Tibs]

Pull,your panties out of your vaj, wuss-boy.

Look, it's Vagina Man himself, coming up for air.

 

[IndySteel]

Look, it's Vagina Man himself, coming up for air.

Yeah, one has to breathe occasionally during sex. Give your goat a reach around. It's ok, it's halal. You ******* ISIS sympathist.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

I see the Constitution as the sole source of protection FROM the Federal governmnent.

What a very Conservative notion from you.

 

[Tibs]

Yeah, one has to breathe occasionally during sex. Give your goat a reach around. It's ok, it's halal. You ******* ISIS sympathist.

Indy are you 12-13 years old? If so, my apologies, above all to your parents. I had no idea. Would never have picked on you had I known your age. Very brave and thoughtful for such a young man, to post on a messageboard like this. Keep reading and posting, but remember, there's nothing better than getting some fresh air and riding your bicycle around. Stay safe and get back home by sundown!