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Tj Watt or Buddha Baker?

I trade down....I think better players will be there...
 
Watt as it is the Steelers biggest weakness, the inability to put consistent pressure on opposing QBs.
 
If there's no real other options in your scenario then I would take TJ Watt. I think he's a safe choice and might not be the dominant force his brother is but I don't see him not being a productive NFL player at the very least. And he plays a position of greater need for us.
 
I would also trade down...... but it is the Steelers... they will pick whomever in about 30 seconds
 
I think it really depends on the board for me. For example, if you look at the CBS Sportsline rankings, they have Budda Baker and TJ Watt ranked at #43 and #44. So, while even in the rankings, the safeties taken ahead of Baker are Jamal Adams, Malik Hooker, Jabrill Peppers, and Obi Melinfonwu. The edge rushers gone before Watt are Myles Garrett, Soloman Thomas, Derek Barnett, Taco Charlton, Takk McKinley, Tyus Bowser, and Carl Lawson. So, after Watt, you are looking at Tim Williams, Jordan Willis, or Derek Rivers. After Baker, you have Josh Jones, Marcus Williams, Marcus Mayes, Justin Evans, and a glut of corners. In that scenario, I take TJ Watt because I think I can get a DB in the 2nd and possibly the 3rd.

But, if the run on edge rushers isn't that strong, say having Takk, Tyus, and Lawson on the board as well, I might be inclined to take Baker. Just depends on the feel of the draft.
 
TDX27 said:
Watt did you say? I **** hear yaz..........................
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Like TMC said it all depends who is on the board at that time. If it is ONLY these two then Watt is my choice.




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CoolieMan said:
they will be up there before the dipshit finishes saying "The Pittsburgh Steelers are on the clock"
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and while the network feed is at the studio talking about someone else's previous pick or a ******* trade the next team just did
 
Neither would be a miss. From what I'm hearing Baker can play any DB position which means he would be an ace in the slot. Totally needed. Watt may not be his brother but has a high floor and would be an immediate upgrade to what they have behind Harrison.
 
SteelerSask said:
Neither would be a miss. From what I'm hearing Baker can play any DB position which means he would be an ace in the slot. Totally needed. Watt may not be his brother but has a high floor and would be an immediate upgrade to what they have behind Harrison.
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If Budda Baker were 6', all other things being equal, he would be in the running for the top safety selected in this draft. He is that dynamic. He has been asked to play the slot quite a bit and excels at it. Not only in coverage, but his ability to tackle screens and check downs is as good as it gets. He sees the read, is breaking before the football is out of the hand of the QB, and often cuts the runners down for no gain or a loss. But, he also can play deep, as a single, in Cover-2, Cover-3, various packages, understands the defensive scheme well enough to align players, and just does it seamlessly. Then, in some instances, he has lined up as an edge corner and ran with receivers down the field. He plays in the box. He plays deep. He plays over the slot. He plays outside (some think he could play corner full time, and I don't disagree). Student of the game. No off the field issues. No injury history. So, other than being just shy of 5'10", there are no real flags.

But, you could view Watt in a similar light. He has the length you want. His weight is up over 250, so his size is right in the range you want. Long arms, big hands. Great frame. Good athlete, not a complete freak, but he has an excellent vertical, great COD, good lower body explosion, he can bend, uses his hands well, takes to coaching, hard worker. He is excellent in coverage. He is a solid pass rusher that is still developing. He plays the run the right way, he just doesn't always have that raw power needed to hold his ground and peel off the blocks. So, outside of his strength and injury history, not many red flags. The thing is, he can play as an off-the-line linebacker because he runs well enough and can cover, or once he gets his strength better, he can be an OLB. He could play ILB. I would think he could play DE if needed (in a 4-3), so he has scheme versatility too, a lot of things you can do with a guy like Watt.

I don't think you can go wrong with either.
 
The thing I see in Watt's sack compilation vid is the same thing we saw in Jarvis Jones'. Scheme related or blowing up a RB. No real legit beating of an OT. However, the more I'm reading, the more I'm seeing that the scouts are loving him, so my mind is eased. Plus, the assessments on his brother were apparently not out of this world either, so maybe that makes him worth a gamble...?
 
My personal opinion is that with his name and a final push by the media in the last few days, Watt is in the ballpark of 30 but probably goes around 25-29 and I don't think this is a move up draft. Too much deep talent.
 
our FO will take an OG
 
I take Budda over Watt. Watt will be a good player but Budda might be a Polamalu who can be a versatile weapon that allows the defense to be more complex and harder to read.

I can get a guy similar to Watt later, but there will be nobody as versatile or impactful as Budda.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
I take Budda over Watt. Watt will be a good player but Budda might be a Polamalu who can be a versatile weapon that allows the defense to be more complex and harder to read.

I can get a guy similar to Watt later, but there will be nobody as versatile or impactful as Budda.
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How many college concussions has Budda had? Just curious is all.




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Drink IRON City said:
How many college concussions has Budda had?
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I don't know the answer to that, but I am a little worried how Budda's gonna hold up playing with the big boys. I get it that he can fly around and cover slot receivers et al, but not seeing him matching up with TE's and RB's. For what the Steelers seem to be looking for, I'd rather have Jabrill Peppers or someone like Melinfowu/Josh Jones et al. Maybe the Steelers view him differently and I'll trust their judgement on Budda.
 
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