Time management & WRs

[Drink IRON City]

not calling the time out DID NOT cost us 38 seconds, it costs us about 5 seconds, it was 2nd down after that, then two minute warning. If we take a TO they run a play, then two minute warning, they run a play and maybe about 5 seconds runs off and they kick FG took about 3 seconds, kickoff with 1:52 on the clock, as it was they kicked off with 1.47 seconds on the clock. You Tomlin haters are so blind you make very little sense!!!

Not sure if you were at the game, if so, it still makes you a very NON-clock manager candidate!!!!




Salute the nation

 

[FAB802]

Considering his massive vocabulary, Mike Tomlin seems to be pretty damn stupid during games. He does have the post game loss interview on point though.

 

[DBS1970]

I keep hoping Mr Tomlin will get better.

When you are down by 6 points why keep two time outs? Stop the clock prior to the two minute warning and save every tick of the clock to take shots at the endzone. having a TO to send out the kicking team aint gonna do nothing for you when you need a TD.

 

[Superman]

Yes, they did. But they STILL got the ball down to the 15 yard line and having an extra two or three plays there would certainly have been helpful, no?

maybe they should have done that **** a few times instead of the three and outs.

 

[Coach]

Did Tomlin's lack of time management cost the offense an extra 10-20's seconds at

Did Tomlin's lack of time management cost the offense an extra 10-20's seconds at the end of the game?

I point to the situation when there was 2:38 left on the clock, and Tomlin opted to let it run down. Why not call one of your timeouts here?

Would it be too much to ask to hire a time outs coach?

If the offense had an extra 10-20 seconds, we could have won this game.

 

[Steel G]

I keep hoping Mr Tomlin will get better.

When you are down by 6 points why keep two time outs? Stop the clock prior to the two minute warning and save every tick of the clock to take shots at the endzone. having a TO to send out the kicking team aint gonna do nothing for you when you need a TD.

Because genius Tomlin says that timeouts are more important than 38 seconds. What somebody needs to tell the genius is that time outs don't mean **** when there's no time left. To Mike, if the clock is out of time but he has a time out or two left, he's still got a shot!

 

[Steeltime]

Bad news ... Tomlin is an idiot when it comes to clock management.

Good news ... Tomlin is thinking of hiring Flavor Flav as an assistant coach:

 

[Stainless]

Good point. I'm surprised this has not been mentioned in numerous threads.

 

[Steelerfan]

Really, dude? This hasn't been covered in a dozen other threads? I'll bet you do this **** just to get a rise out of people. That's called trolling.

 

[Coach]

Yes. Just think he freezes up, doesn't want the pressure of the call...Not a leader, maybe...

Just getting tired of the same old ****. If he can't understand clock management, put the OC or DC in charge of it.

I hear that. Coaches are supposed to put their players in the best position to win games. Too often Tomlin burns precious seconds off the clock. We have a media expert controlling the clock. I'd rather had a dull coach with the media with better clock management skills.

This loss smarts in more ways than one.

-Coach

 

[Troglodyte]

Tomlin was asked about that after the game. His answer was something to the effect of the timeout was more valuable than the extra time.

Crazy.

If that's the case, why not keep all 3 TOs and leave your offense with :30 on the clock?

 

[madinsomniac]

Yes, we could have "MAYBE" saved a few seconds calling all the TOs before the 2 minute warning, however that also makes a pass on 3rd down in that scenerio more appealing.

There are bigger coaching issues i had than the end of the game stuff... that was actually minor. The first was playing Ben... he wasnt healthy and played a majority of the game from the shotgun, plus ahd issues planting and stepping up...

The second was the abysmal play calling. Anyone else notice that there was no balance at all... on the drive we ran, we almost exclusivly ran, on the drives we passed we almost exclusivly passed.

The third was punting on the 35... that was a bad set of playcalls that led us to that situation, then worse not even trying the field goal with the guy who has shown the leg to make it... chickenshit move.

 

[topseed]

What's been lost in yet another gross mismanagement of the clock at the end of the game is another bad decision Tomlin made earlier in the fourth quarter: punting from the 35 yard line.

Why in God's name would you not give your field goal kicker, who has made all eight of his attempts (including one from 51 yards) and all six of his extra points, an opportunity to extend the lead to seven? Boswell has been perfect, and just about every one of his kicks have been nearly dead-center. It's not bad weather. You're still up by more than a field goal if by chance he should miss. Why? Why wouldn't you give him a shot to make it a touchdown game? To hope and pray that your ****** punter is going to get lucky enough to net you 25 yards in field position? Maybe?

Had that field goal properly been attempted and made, instead of an 18-yard punt, the Steelers would have only needed a field goal to tie the game on the final possession, and possibly had a chance to win the game in OT, despite Tomlin pissing away the clock once again at the end of regulation.

The ineptitude of in-game management from this clown continues to amaze me each and every week. But wait, he's never had a losing season, so...

 

[madtacker]

Make sure you put Ben's ineptitude right there with it. If he can learn not to throw costly interceptions, and maybe just try and complete a 4 yard pass on 3rd and 3 instead . Of a 30 yard one. We would have won. If they use all their timeouts they don't even get near that end of the field. Having the time outs let them use the middle of the field to get down there. With no timeouts cinci would have just sat on every out pattern and they probably would have turned it over on downs.

Ben lost this game not Tomlin and his crappy time management. How many forth quarter interceptions did he throw?

And why throw to a double covered Brown in the end zone and not give the tallest receiver who was single covered a chance

 

[DBS1970]

Bad news ... Tomlin is an idiot when it comes to clock management.

Good news ... Tomlin is thinking of hiring Flavor Flav as an assistant coach:

Steeltime wins!

 

[papillon]

What was the two yard out to Bryant all about? If he gets tackled inbounds... I don't understand that call. I don't understand not using a timeout in favor of letting 30+ seconds run off the clock. We are a stupid football team.

I think they were trying to catch the Bengals expecting Ben to clock the ball, but the problem is if you're running the fake "clocking" of the ball bryant should have a run a go route, not a 2 yard out.

Papillon

 

[topseed]

Make sure you put Ben's ineptitude right there with it. If he can learn not to throw costly interceptions, and maybe just try and complete a 4 yard pass on 3rd and 3 instead . Of a 30 yard one. We would have won. If they use all their timeouts they don't even get near that end of the field. Having the time outs let them use the middle of the field to get down there. With no timeouts cinci would have just sat on every out pattern and they probably would have turned it over on downs.

Ben lost this game not Tomlin and his crappy time management. How many forth quarter interceptions did he throw?

And why throw to a double covered Brown in the end zone and not give the tallest receiver who was single covered a chance

You can continue to cry about Ben all day if you'd like. I've already pointed out in another thread that Ben should have played better. However, players make mistakes. Players sometimes don't execute. Tomlin indeed can't control most of the bad things that happen on the field. What he can do, and should do, is put his team in the best position to succeed. Allowing that precious time to run off the clock didn't accomplish that, and these types of errors have been a recurring theme. Game after game, and year after year.

And you're mistaken. The Steelers continued to throw to the middle of the field, even after using that last timeout which Tomlin was so intent on protecting.

 

[papillon]

The Steelers could have stopped the clock three times well before the two minute warning, probably before even the 2:20 mark.

Using all 3 TOs prior to the 2 minute warning would have left about 2:20 on the clock, no TOs and the 2 minute warning to stop the clock.
Not using a TO and allowing 38 seconds to run off the clock gave the Steelers the ball with 1:47 and 1 TO.

Me, I'd rather have the extra time with a 10 year vet at quarterback, evidently Tomlin prefers the TO in his pocket to be able to stop the clock one time for a pass in the middle of the field. I'm not sure which is right or wrong, but it seems time is more valuable that the TO to me anyhow.

Papillon

 

[papillon]

Yes, we could have "MAYBE" saved a few seconds calling all the TOs before the 2 minute warning, however that also makes a pass on 3rd down in that scenerio more appealing.

There are bigger coaching issues i had than the end of the game stuff... that was actually minor. The first was playing Ben... he wasnt healthy and played a majority of the game from the shotgun, plus ahd issues planting and stepping up...

The second was the abysmal play calling. Anyone else notice that there was no balance at all... on the drive we ran, we almost exclusivly ran, on the drives we passed we almost exclusivly passed.

The third was punting on the 35... that was a bad set of playcalls that led us to that situation, then worse not even trying the field goal with the guy who has shown the leg to make it... chickenshit move.

I would have loved for the Bengals to attempt a pass with the potential for an incompletion, sack, or INT rather watch time run off the clock, just my opinion.

Papillon

 

[madinsomniac]

I would have loved for the Bengals to attempt a pass with the potential for an incompletion, sack, or INT rather watch time run off the clock, just my opinion.

Papillon

Perhaps, but there is a train of thought that if you are running a play that will start within a second or two of the 2 minute warning, so that a stoppage is happening regardless, a team is far more likely to pass and convert....

Yes there is a sack or INT possibility, but those are lower percentage plays than them converting and winning the game right then

 

[madinsomniac]

By my estimation this is about an 8 second difference when you factor in the required ball spikes we had to do and 6 seconds per run play and a field goal, so we would have gotten 1 more play in, but still im not certain this is the biggest coaching thing to focus on

 

[Steel G]

And you're mistaken. The Steelers continued to throw to the middle of the field, even after using that last timeout which Tomlin was so intent on protecting.

Exactly! From 1:47 to :33 they ran 6 plays. :33 left is when they finally used Tomlin's precious time out. Next play, Ben deep middle to DHB incomplete. Next play, short middle to Heath for 11 yards which took the clock from :28 to :17. Tomlin's full of ****.

 

[Hobbster]

Have you been drinking heavily?

Actually, I was on ambien last night, so does shut synapses down, at time I was not thinking of using all 3 TO's prior to two-minute warning, but all the same most likely Bengals play calling would have changed and had they been forced to pass to get a 1st down, I think odds are better than even they complete it. I don't think one option is better than other, in the end they had a pretty good shot at winning, and it just fell short.

 

[steelerscotty]

By not making a decision, one is making a decision.

"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"-RUSH "Freewill".

 

[steelerscotty]

I think we easily have the worst Coach/QB clock mismanagement combo in NFL history.

Im not a huge tomlin hater or supporter, and I love Ben as a QB, but in the clock management area of the game they are awful.

This happens a lot and it just kills me: Late in a half or game, clock is running. Im yelling time out at the top of my lungs. Offense runs up to the line, like they are going to run another fast play. A good 10 seconds or so runs, and THEN they call a timeout!