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Thoughts on my two day twitter debate with John Steigerwald

Coryea

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Heard him on the radio say Bradshaw is way better than Ben when talking about Ben and Brown tying Bradshaw and Swann for most TD's. We've been going back and forth for a day now. He says Ben is in a dink and dunk offense so he can complete passes easier since he throwing shorter passes, eventhough Ben has a higher Yards Per Attempt than Bradshaw. He says Ben does nothing better than Bradshaw.
Thoughts?
 
Coryea said:
Thoughts?
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They're both very good but it took Bradshaw longer to become a complete quarterback than it took Ben. He was drafted in 1970 but wasn't even the starting QB when their first SB season in 1974 began and didn't really develop a touch on his passes where he could drop them in so the receiver could catch them and the defender could not until about 1978.
 
Put Big Ben on those 70s teams and we would be Lord of the Decade, instead of Lord of the RIngs.

I love Terry, but but Big Ben is the better QB.

Yes Terry your 4 rings can't be discounted.

But by the time is all said and done, I would be suprised if there is a single Terry Bradshaw record left.
 
Terry had a better arm....that's about it. I'd take Ben over TB.
 
Terry had 1 thing Ben does not, fear of losing the big game to the point where he never did...well that and a defense that if Ben had he would probably have at least 4 by now as well. All things being equal if you put Ben on those teams he likely would have got at least 4 as well and is probably the better QB.

Until Ben makes a Cannonball Run we'll never really know the answer though.
 
Have you ever recently watched entire games of TB play? Not just highlights. It was a different era, making passing more difficult, but he was no where near as accurate as passer as BB, not even close. TB was big, strong, tough with a big arm, but he was quite terrible at short and medium passes. No touch. He's throw 90 mile and hour passes at target 5 yards away. It's not even close.
 
Put bradshaw behing the olines ben had from 2007 to 2011 or so and he would have been destroyed... people fail to realize how poorly that O was constructed and how well we operated out of it...


Look, in his era Bradshaw was great, but in this era hed at best be a cutler type guy... great he called his own plays... but football then was way simpler... wr and re route trees were never as technical... nor were blocking schemes... the defense had more teeth, but the players were smaller and slower on average and frankly the film work and technical breakdowns were stone age even in the 80's compared to now...

Its a passing league now but its much harder to play qb... nostalgia be damned
 
madinsomniac said:
Look, in his era Bradshaw was great, but in this era hed at best be a cutler type guy... great he called his own plays... but football then was way simpler... wr and re route trees were never as technical... nor were blocking schemes... the defense had more teeth, but the players were smaller and slower on average and frankly the film work and technical breakdowns were stone age even in the 80's compared to now...
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That was the exact comparison that I had in my head. I would take Ben 10 times out of 10 over Bradshaw.
 
madinsomniac said:
Put bradshaw behing the olines ben had from 2007 to 2011 or so and he would have been destroyed... people fail to realize how poorly that O was constructed and how well we operated out of it...


Look, in his era Bradshaw was great, but in this era hed at best be a cutler type guy... great he called his own plays... but football then was way simpler... wr and re route trees were never as technical... nor were blocking schemes... the defense had more teeth, but the players were smaller and slower on average and frankly the film work and technical breakdowns were stone age even in the 80's compared to now...

Its a passing league now but its much harder to play qb... nostalgia be damned
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I think the players on the 70s teams were a lot smarter on average than this current crop of Steelers. I don't think they'd have any problems with your space age plays and film study.
 
madinsomniac said:
Put bradshaw behing the olines ben had from 2007 to 2011 or so and he would have been destroyed... people fail to realize how poorly that O was constructed and how well we operated out of it...
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Let Ben take the hits Bradshaw took and see how he does. Bradshaw was extremely tough.
 
You really can't compare eras. What I will say is that Ben has played with essentially probably three teams of players and done well throughout. Bradshaw played with so much overwhelming talent for a good portion of his career. You just can't keep players like that together for that amount of time anymore.
 
The **** they did to Bradshaw back in the day would get you suspended and arrested. Bottom line for me Terry 4-0 in the big game 2 Super Bowl mvps. As an overall passer Ben is better. The eras are like night and day. The biggest being rules of engagement.
 
This is like, "Who's better, Lynard Skynard or The Allman Brothers?"

Just be thankful for both.
 
CharlesDavenport said:
Let Ben take the hits Bradshaw took and see how he does. Bradshaw was extremely tough.
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Ben's taken a ton of shots in his career. I don't see how you can question his toughness.
 
Steelr4evr said:
The **** they did to Bradshaw back in the day would get you suspended and arrested. Bottom line for me Terry 4-0 in the big game 2 Super Bowl mvps. As an overall passer Ben is better. The eras are like night and day. The biggest being rules of engagement.
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Rules of engagement no doubt. Different rules. Athletes now are just bigger, stronger and faster than the 70's. However I do the think the 70's players would've been absolute freaks with today's training and treatment programs. Lambert and Ham would be all over the place
 
CharlesDavenport said:
I think the players on the 70s teams were a lot smarter on average than this current crop of Steelers. I don't think they'd have any problems with your space age plays and film study.
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Wait a second, Bradshaw had his center calling plays sometimes. All he knew to do was to look for the open receiver. He didn't fail in big spots because he was too dumb to even know what "fear" was. Hell, he couldn't spell the word cat if you spotted him the C and the A.
 
I feel Ben wouldn't have the success he has now while playing against the defensive rules of the 70's. Until 78, DBs could rough handle WRs with impunity. Sask is correct, different era, different outcomes. Turkey Jones head slam on Brad would be considered electable today. Probably suspension worthy. Bradshaw sure took some hits in his career. Big hits. Ben is definitely a better passer, but again that's the progression of the sport after 78. Ben is a HOF for sure, but he wants more rings more than anything else.


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slashsteel said:
Put Big Ben on those 70s teams and we would be Lord of the Decade, instead of Lord of the RIngs.
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No, it was much more difficult to throw the ball in the 70's Impossible to compare QBs from different eras, but Bens stats wouldn't be what they are if he played 40 years ago.
 
Argueing of two different era's is pretty hard. I do know Ben is a very tough SOB. He definately could play in both eras. Terry too is one tough SOB but I'm not convinced he could play in today's era. The throws are much more precise due to the faster better coverage. I love anything of the seventies STEELERS and very hard to say this but I'd take Rothlesberger in both eras. Ben could and has called his own plays, the ON LY thing I think Terry may have is BIG GAME NON-jitters. There is no QUESTION Ben got robbed on the stonieO MVP.




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topseed said:
Ben's taken a ton of shots in his career. I don't see how you can question his toughness.
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I'm not. Just a counterpoint to some **** about Terry not holding up like Ben with bad O-lines.
 
The part that got me was him saying Ben does nothing better than Bradshaw.
 
Drink IRON City said:
Argueing of two different era's is pretty hard. I do know Ben is a very tough SOB. He definately could play in both eras. Terry too is one tough SOB but I'm not convinced he could play in today's era. The throws are much more precise due to the faster better coverage. I love anything of the seventies STEELERS and very hard to say this but I'd take Rothlesberger in both eras. Ben could and has called his own plays, the ON LY thing I think Terry may have is BIG GAME NON-jitters. There is no QUESTION Ben got robbed on the stonieO MVP.
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At that time you didn't have a lot of linemen on either side over 300 pounds. The 70's Steelers had the most badass lines of all time and I don't think anyone on the OL weighed more than 270. Mike Webster went 250-260. Joe Greene weighed 275. Today there aren't many linemen under 300 and DL guys run like a 4.7 40 at that weight.
 
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