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The unfortunate "big picture" on Monday Morning.

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There's no way in hell they go 4-1.

Even IF they manage to play out of their minds and beat San Diego or N.E., They'll lay an egg against Oakland and/or Cinci. And the Saints? Uh huh.

Yesterday wasn't about lack of preparation, or being cocky. Yesterday was about **** falling apart on a spectacular scale. The blocked kick, avoidable but that's on the special teams coach and the players to know the tendency. Grimble's fumble - literally a 1 in 25 likelihood event. Just crap luck. Ben's first int - a combination of Brown being slightly held, him giving up on the route and Ben throwing a little wide. (That took 3 things for it to go so far south.) Conner's fumble - again, freak thing. You see that happen maybe 2 or 3 percent of the time. Ben had what? 3 deep throws that just didn't quite connect for one reason or another. One was just too deep, one was a case of Washington not having the experience to make the play and one was a 1 or 2 in 100 case of Brown NOT making the toe-tap on the sideline. Ben's 2nd int... Well that was a HORRIBLE throw, and I can't really find any good spin on that. I WOULD like to know if that was truly a run play that got botched at the snap. Certainly I'd LIKE to think that was it and that Ben just failed to do the smart thing and throw the ball away, but I'm not sure about that as Brown WAS in a route, albeit a crap one. (However if the run was to the left outside the tackles, Brown would have been clearing a DB and Safety so, maybe...)

Anyway, the point is if it COULD go wrong it did. Literally the ONLY bounce the Steelers got their way yesterday was when Switz was somehow magically able to recover his own fumbled punt. Every other break went to the Broncos.

So you MAY be thinking I'm saying (after a day's worth of speculation) that "Hey, it wasn't as bad as it seemed in the greater scheme of the universe, and I suppose that's true. But the fact of the matter is, the unavoidable - inevitable truth of it all is that the Steelers simply don't "have it". They will not win challenging playoff games, at home or away. They will not play consistently enough to advance past perhaps the first round of the playoffs, and they certainly will not play in the SB. not because they "can't" No, they won't because they're NOT that team. They're too inconsistent, they've been too distracted, they just aren't "that team". The last time I felt the Steelers were truly "That team" was when they came in as a 6th seed and swept through the three toughest teams in the AFC to advance to a SB. (Yes, revisionist history.) I can honestly say at the time they got in I was telling people they were the most dangerous 6th seed the league had seen in my lifetime.

This year, sure - they're dangerous. But they're also prone to critical mistakes or simply bad luck at the most inopportune time. Ya, I'd love to be wrong. I'd LOVE to eat crow. But I won't.

Regardless, I love them. I'm happy when they win, I'm mildly depressed for a few days when they lose (this thread serves as testimony) and I'll back them until I die. But once again, this aint the year. You can just see it in the last three games. First they destroy the Panthers in a game where pretty much every single thing goes their way and we all assume they are the most amazing thing since twist ties. Then they look like The Browns circa 2015 against the Panthers until some late heroics from a couple players convince us they can overcome any problem, any deficit. Then they come out against the Broncos and you see how fate can simply destroy what we believe is this amazing, unstoppable offensive force. They're not unstoppable. They aren't even really amazing. At times they are efficient and even explosive, but more often than not they're essentially pedestrian. It's gotten better with Fichtner, I suppose. I'm happy about that. But - they aren't even in the same area-code as the Chiefs, or the Rams. And while neither of those teams have much of a defense, does anyone really believe they'll NEED one against the Steelers? The odds that Pittsburgh can outscore either of those teams is more unlikely than Brown missing a toe-tap on a sideline catch.

As for the P*ts, They can't overcome Ernie Adams. I have no doubt of that. Even if they manage to win the regular season matchup, which is unlikely, they cannot possibly beat them in the playoffs. Ernie will have what he needs of Fichtner's verbiage and scheme and Tom Brady will be whispered to in the playoffs and once more the perfect play will appear at the perfect moment, somehow magically to continue their unending streak.

Tomlin, noble as he is, is incapable of preventing this. He likely will not make the necessary changes to the play calling verbiage and processes in order to force the cheaters to actually "play" the game. Rather he would like to go out and "lace em up". That will fail every single time against an Ernie Adams team.

Truthfully, odd as it sounds, I would have felt better about this team had they simply been soundly, fundamentally beaten by the Broncos. As it is, with the cruel bounce of fate being the primary catalyst, I doubt Tomlin or the players will take the loss seriously. Why would they? This was an aberration of titanic proportions. So, they'll proceed as they must, in a business as usual manner and the Chargers will eviscerate this defense. The offense may or may not play well, but with the points San Diego will put up, it won't matter.

The reality is, this team is nowhere near good enough to beat themselves, fate AND the opponent. That's just how it is. So. Enjoy the season. Hope Ben gets some good numbers and that Conner finishes strong. Hope that Brown manages to re-assert himself as a receiving threat, hope that JuJu continues to have an exceptional season. Hope that they find a receiver next year that can pull some pressure off Brown. Hope Ben decides to give it one more year. Maybe THAT will be their year. Maybe.
 
I see 3 and 2.

Playoffs one win this year.

Anything past that will be a pleasant surprise.
 
Broncos win out, beat the Steelers in the tie breaker for the last playoff spot, Ben retires
 
This offense is really close to being a Saints/KC/Rams offense. The only thing stopping this team from scoring is themselves. Dropped passes, over thrown open receivers, turnovers, and penalties are the only thing stopping these drives. If it comes together, they will be tough to beat. Just remember, the other teams have to play us. Not the other way around...
 
Broncos win out, beat the Steelers in the tie breaker for the last playoff spot, Ben retires

Not happening.

Steelers will beat the Raiders,Chargers and Bengals. Will host the first playoff game and win at home.
 
No Cope. The Steelers have to play THEM. Make no mistake. The impetus is on the Steelers. And right now for a ton of reasons, they are right at the line. And that just won't cut it against playoff caliber teams.
 
This offense is really close to being a Saints/KC/Rams offense. The only thing stopping this team from scoring is themselves. Dropped passes, over thrown open receivers, turnovers, and penalties are the only thing stopping these drives. If it comes together, they will be tough to beat. Just remember, the other teams have to play us. Not the other way around...

What I also look at is the D is slightly better this year. (Need Tuitt back)

And none of the remaining teams have that pass rush capability and coverage ability of the Jags and Denver.

I look at Von and Ramsey at the best at their position.

If the Steelers do not beat themselves they should be in every game and have a chance to win every game.

The turnovers will need to be minimized.
 
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No Cope. The Steelers have to play THEM. Make no mistake. The impetus is on the Steelers. And right now for a ton of reasons, they are right at the line. And that just won't cut it against playoff caliber teams.

Wig in all do respect, I don't think any of those playoff teams have great Ds.

I still think this team is capable.
 
And people complain about what Coach posts on this message board...

Swollen headed cocky Steelers got their dicks knocked into the dirt by a 4-6 team, that should be the headlines

Broncos win out, beat the Steelers in the tie breaker for the last playoff spot, Ben retires
 
And people complain about what Coach posts on this message board...

Spike is just playing though. Troll-fully playing, but playing none the less. Coach actually believes his gibberish.
 
If you can't go 3-2 against the remaining schedule, you weren't going to win a Super Bowl anyway. To win a Super Bowl you have to be 3-0 or 4-0 against
similar competition.
 
If you can't go 3-2 against the remaining schedule, you weren't going to win a Super Bowl anyway. To win a Super Bowl you have to be 3-0 or 4-0 against
similar competition.

I think 3 and 2 gets this team into the playoffs. All things are created equal at that point.
 
We have no suitable replacement or change of pace at RB. Our defense is spotty. AB is too big for his britches. We need a suitable pass rush throughout the game. If we see playoffs, one and done. Write it down.
 
Wig in all do respect, I don't think any of those playoff teams have great Ds.

I still think this team is capable.

I agree. There are very few elite defenses these days. We are 26th out of 32 teams in turnover ratio at -7. 26th. Correct that and with our offense vs these defenses, I like our chances. Turnovers kill.
 
I am Coach, U haven't figured that out by now?

Don’t blow our cover. Shhhh

Keep playing the good cop. I’ll say the Denver loss was a kick in the pants and another upset loss is possible on any Mike Tomlin coached team.


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I agree. There are very few elite defenses these days. We are 26th out of 32 teams in turnover ratio at -7. 26th. Correct that and with our offense vs these defenses, I like our chances. Turnovers kill.

Let’s keep our eye on the ball. We suck at forcing turnovers. Lots of mediocre defense get them. Why can’t we?

Our safety’s suck tops the list.


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There's no way in hell they go 4-1.

Even IF they manage to play out of their minds and beat San Diego or N.E., They'll lay an egg against Oakland and/or Cinci. And the Saints? Uh huh.

Yesterday wasn't about lack of preparation, or being cocky. Yesterday was about **** falling apart on a spectacular scale. The blocked kick, avoidable but that's on the special teams coach and the players to know the tendency. Grimble's fumble - literally a 1 in 25 likelihood event. Just crap luck. Ben's first int - a combination of Brown being slightly held, him giving up on the route and Ben throwing a little wide. (That took 3 things for it to go so far south.) Conner's fumble - again, freak thing. You see that happen maybe 2 or 3 percent of the time. Ben had what? 3 deep throws that just didn't quite connect for one reason or another. One was just too deep, one was a case of Washington not having the experience to make the play and one was a 1 or 2 in 100 case of Brown NOT making the toe-tap on the sideline. Ben's 2nd int... Well that was a HORRIBLE throw, and I can't really find any good spin on that. I WOULD like to know if that was truly a run play that got botched at the snap. Certainly I'd LIKE to think that was it and that Ben just failed to do the smart thing and throw the ball away, but I'm not sure about that as Brown WAS in a route, albeit a crap one. (However if the run was to the left outside the tackles, Brown would have been clearing a DB and Safety so, maybe...)

Anyway, the point is if it COULD go wrong it did. Literally the ONLY bounce the Steelers got their way yesterday was when Switz was somehow magically able to recover his own fumbled punt. Every other break went to the Broncos.

So you MAY be thinking I'm saying (after a day's worth of speculation) that "Hey, it wasn't as bad as it seemed in the greater scheme of the universe, and I suppose that's true. But the fact of the matter is, the unavoidable - inevitable truth of it all is that the Steelers simply don't "have it". They will not win challenging playoff games, at home or away. They will not play consistently enough to advance past perhaps the first round of the playoffs, and they certainly will not play in the SB. not because they "can't" No, they won't because they're NOT that team. They're too inconsistent, they've been too distracted, they just aren't "that team". The last time I felt the Steelers were truly "That team" was when they came in as a 6th seed and swept through the three toughest teams in the AFC to advance to a SB. (Yes, revisionist history.) I can honestly say at the time they got in I was telling people they were the most dangerous 6th seed the league had seen in my lifetime.

This year, sure - they're dangerous. But they're also prone to critical mistakes or simply bad luck at the most inopportune time. Ya, I'd love to be wrong. I'd LOVE to eat crow. But I won't.

Regardless, I love them. I'm happy when they win, I'm mildly depressed for a few days when they lose (this thread serves as testimony) and I'll back them until I die. But once again, this aint the year. You can just see it in the last three games. First they destroy the Panthers in a game where pretty much every single thing goes their way and we all assume they are the most amazing thing since twist ties. Then they look like The Browns circa 2015 against the Panthers until some late heroics from a couple players convince us they can overcome any problem, any deficit. Then they come out against the Broncos and you see how fate can simply destroy what we believe is this amazing, unstoppable offensive force. They're not unstoppable. They aren't even really amazing. At times they are efficient and even explosive, but more often than not they're essentially pedestrian. It's gotten better with Fichtner, I suppose. I'm happy about that. But - they aren't even in the same area-code as the Chiefs, or the Rams. And while neither of those teams have much of a defense, does anyone really believe they'll NEED one against the Steelers? The odds that Pittsburgh can outscore either of those teams is more unlikely than Brown missing a toe-tap on a sideline catch.

As for the P*ts, They can't overcome Ernie Adams. I have no doubt of that. Even if they manage to win the regular season matchup, which is unlikely, they cannot possibly beat them in the playoffs. Ernie will have what he needs of Fichtner's verbiage and scheme and Tom Brady will be whispered to in the playoffs and once more the perfect play will appear at the perfect moment, somehow magically to continue their unending streak.

Tomlin, noble as he is, is incapable of preventing this. He likely will not make the necessary changes to the play calling verbiage and processes in order to force the cheaters to actually "play" the game. Rather he would like to go out and "lace em up". That will fail every single time against an Ernie Adams team.

Truthfully, odd as it sounds, I would have felt better about this team had they simply been soundly, fundamentally beaten by the Broncos. As it is, with the cruel bounce of fate being the primary catalyst, I doubt Tomlin or the players will take the loss seriously. Why would they? This was an aberration of titanic proportions. So, they'll proceed as they must, in a business as usual manner and the Chargers will eviscerate this defense. The offense may or may not play well, but with the points San Diego will put up, it won't matter.

The reality is, this team is nowhere near good enough to beat themselves, fate AND the opponent. That's just how it is. So. Enjoy the season. Hope Ben gets some good numbers and that Conner finishes strong. Hope that Brown manages to re-assert himself as a receiving threat, hope that JuJu continues to have an exceptional season. Hope that they find a receiver next year that can pull some pressure off Brown. Hope Ben decides to give it one more year. Maybe THAT will be their year. Maybe.

Damn, that's a long Tweet.
 
Sounds an awful like my "1-4" post that I was flamed by trolls for. And that was made a week ago.

Actually, this was more negative for the most part.

I said that Denver was better than most were giving them credit for, and...well, we saw what happened.

As far of the nonsense about it being a fluke and Steelers beating themselves and us dropping balls.........

I got news for everyone: all those things are a part of football and winner or losing. If our WRs drop balls, then we aren't that good.

If we lose critical fumbles...then we aren't that good.

And, was it just me or did a "little person" create a fissure in our D and curb stomp us. We couldn't stop him. Also part of football.

So, a lot of you laughed at the possibility of losing to Denver. I knew it was no laughing matter, as LAC, Pats and Saints are also not. And don't kill the messenger.

Could we go 3-2 in this stretch? Possibly. But not likely, and if we do somehow beat the Pats in the regular season, you know what is likely in the post season.
 
I would give anything to see the Steelers field a team of players that want a Championship over anything else, every play of every game all year. I would like to pin all this on MT, but the truth is these players have less team and more me in almost all of them. MT is in a tough position where it comes to this, and he ALWAYS errors on the PERCIEVED players coach position. This attitude has been ingrained in them since they were kids, parents, if they have them, want to be their pals. These players CONTINUOUSLY believe what is being said about them and think they do not have to compete on EVERY down. As an adult, that is not all on the Coach, as much as I would like to pin it on him.
 
I would give anything to see the Steelers field a team of players that want a Championship over anything else, every play of every game all year. I would like to pin all this on MT, but the truth is these players have less team and more me in almost all of them. MT is in a tough position where it comes to this, and he ALWAYS errors on the PERCIEVED players coach position. This attitude has been ingrained in them since they were kids, parents, if they have them, want to be their pals. These players CONTINUOUSLY believe what is being said about them and think they do not have to compete on EVERY down. As an adult, that is not all on the Coach, as much as I would like to pin it on him.

I don't know how anyone can blame the coaching for yesterday. Cry about the last 3 plays of the game in the red zone if you want to ***** about the coach. I would also ***** about the FG block.

Besides that, the team had a fairly dominant performance on offense and the defense held up ok. This game was all about turnovers and points off of them. Those turnovers are on the players.
 
I agree with everything you said except for conners fumble being a freak thing. Put in on another team and there is no way he has these numbers, which are slowing down at a feverish pace. I want this guy to succeed but he is scared **** right now. You can see that confidence is down on him as well. I was shocked they gave him the ball in 2nd down inside the 5 yesterday. I liked the call, but there’s a mess in his pants and as games get bigger and bigger we should all worry more. I want to be wrong.
 
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