The Second Amendment

[Stryker]

We all know the second amendment protects our rights to hear arms, and the media is making a big fuss over Trump mentioning it. The libs say it was a threat to call gun owners to take a shot at Hillary to protect their rights. Bullshit.

Trump's camp said they were calling on gun owners right to vote. In context, also bullshit.

I heard it many times yesterday, and I feel it was simply a bad joke. Trump delivered the line in jest and even chuckled a bit. I don't think he wants anyone dead, it was simply a joke in poor taste that missed the mark.

 

[diver]

As I just wrote in another thread you have to look beyond Trump. I know it is hard, because he is such a big personality. But this is about more than Trump. If the left can damage Trump and cast anyone who believes in the 2nd Amendment as a lunatic who wants to take a shot at Clinton, all the better. And that is exactly what they just did. We have to start getting a better understanding of how they operate, most especially Trump.

This whole thing is about more than Trump. This anger at the establishment has been fermenting on both sides, hence Bernie on the left. Everybody says in any other year would Trump be where he is? What about in any other year would a 74 year old socialist have hung around until the bitter end against the establishment darling?

 

[BLITZ]

the media will cover this until they can spin something else. talk about anything other than real topics..

 

[SteelChip]

I heard it many times yesterday, and I feel it was simply a bad joke. Trump delivered the line in jest and even chuckled a bit. I don't think he wants anyone dead, it was simply a joke in poor taste that missed the mark.

Out with friends, jaggin' around type comment, we all know someone like this. Fact is that he is not out jaggin' around and it's time to stop this bullshit before they bury him and his wiseass comments . I can relate because I am a practicing smartass myself and I haven't heard anything from him that I don't essentially agree with, but then I'm not running for President of the US and what used to be considered the leader of the free world.

 

[Vis]

The 2nd Amendment was only put is to get Virginia's vote. It was put in to protect the slave patrols and deter revolt and emancipation of slaves by the federal government. Have people not read the history, the various drafts of the Constitution and Amendments? It's all there in the actual words of the participants.

 

[Superman]

The 2nd Amendment was only put is to get Virginia's vote. It was put in to protect the slave patrols and deter revolt and emancipation of slaves by the federal government. Have people not read the history, the various drafts of the Constitution and Amendments? It's all there in the actual words of the participants.

 

[DBS1970]

The 2nd Amendment was only put is to get Virginia's vote. It was put in to protect the slave patrols and deter revolt and emancipation of slaves by the federal government. Have people not read the history, the various drafts of the Constitution and Amendments? It's all there in the actual words of the participants.

Yep.

Alexander Hamilton never wrote how a 30,000 man army would never be able to force tyranny on an armed population of 30,000,000. Washington never said anything about how a free people ought to not only posess plenty of arms and ammunition but ought to be proficient in their use.

 

[ark steel]

The 2nd Amendment was only put is to get Virginia's vote. It was put in to protect the slave patrols and deter revolt and emancipation of slaves by the federal government. Have people not read the history, the various drafts of the Constitution and Amendments? It's all there in the actual words of the participants.

I thought it was to restrict people to muskets. Oh, wait, no, it only means state militias. No, wait, it meant to protect bearing arms that can be used for hunting, but nothing more.

Oh, I got it, it meant that the elites could have as many armed guards a they feel they deserve, but the plebes don't get jack ****.

 

[21STEELERS21]

Should the people have the right to bear nuclear weapons and lethal drones? Seems like the tyrannical government would outgun us, if we can't.

 

[Troglodyte]

Should the people have the right to bear nuclear weapons and lethal drones? Seems like the tyrannical government would outgun us, if we can't.

It has been stated here before that is the belief... of some at least.

 

[Vis]

I thought it was to restrict people to muskets. Oh, wait, no, it only means state militias. No, wait, it meant to protect bearing arms that can be used for hunting, but nothing more.

Oh, I got it, it meant that the elites could have as many armed guards a they feel they deserve, but the plebes don't get jack ****.

No, it's what kept slave revolts in check. Slave patrols were organized from state militias. The original drafts of the Constitution gave control over the militias to the federal government but because during the Revolution, blacks who agreed to fight were emancipated under federal law, the southern states feared all slaves would be emancipated or that the federal government wouldn't stop slave revolts. They insisted the Amendment not reference the federal government and leave the militias to the states. "well regulated" meant well organized. "being necessary to the security of a free State" didn't mean they thought they needed to fight off the government, it meant they needed to be able to fight off slave revolt.

read the anti-federalist arguments of George Mason and Patrick Henry, scared slave owners.

 

[Vis]

Yep.

Alexander Hamilton never wrote how a 30,000 man army would never be able to force tyranny on an armed population of 30,000,000. Washington never said anything about how a free people ought to not only posess plenty of arms and ammunition but ought to be proficient in their use.

They thought that but it wasn't the reason for the 2nd Amendment. Many thought the Bill of Rights wasn't needed at all. Each Amendment was put in to satisfy a certain fear of this or that state to so ratification would happen.

 

[ark steel]

Should the people have the right to bear nuclear weapons and lethal drones? Seems like the tyrannical government would outgun us, if we can't.

If the tyrannical government wants to use nuclear weapons on their own soil, it doesn't matter whether we have them or not. I'm not, particularly, happy that our government has lethal drones. it doesn't take a totally tyrannical government to use that against the citizen. Can, probably happen with just a few bad guys in the right place.

Keep your head in the sand, or ***, and stand behind those of us willing to be armed. Hey, maybe the government will let you have a few extra items. Until they decide not to.

 

[ark steel]

No, it's what kept slave revolts in check. Slave patrols were organized from state militias. The original drafts of the Constitution gave control over the militias to the federal government but because during the Revolution, blacks who agreed to fight were emancipated under federal law, the southern states feared all slaves would be emancipated or that the federal government wouldn't stop slave revolts. They insisted the Amendment not reference the federal government and leave the militias to the states. "well regulated" meant well organized. "being necessary to the security of a free State" didn't mean they thought they needed to fight off the government, it meant they needed to be able to fight off slave revolt.

read the anti-federalist arguments of George Mason and Patrick Henry, scared slave owners.

So, all the other 9 amendments protect an individual's right, but the 2nd does not?

 

[ark steel]

I would argue that, without the 2nd, the other amendments mean jack ****.

 

[Vis]

I would argue that, without the 2nd, the other amendments mean jack ****.

go ahead, make the argument. When in history has an armed population preserved any other right?

 

[Vis]

So, all the other 9 amendments protect an individual's right, but the 2nd does not?

It was an individual right (meaning for white men only) I'm just talking about the fight that occurred over the inclusion and the wording of the 2nd Amendment itself. It's there for a reason and that reason is the worst thing in the country's history.

 

[ark steel]

go ahead, make the argument. When in history has an armed population preserved any other right?

you mean other than the American Revolution?

 

[Vis]

you mean other than the American Revolution?

Are you under the impression that the 2nd Amendment predated the revolution?

 

[Superman]

Are you under the impression that the 2nd Amendment predated the revolution?

of course it didnt. our forefathers had to summon the testicular fortitude to stand up to the tyranny of being over-taxed without representation before any amendment would or could happen. Eight years later, the 2nd Amendment was created. For more than 200 years, this has been the law to "the security of a free State" - which can, btw, counselor, mean either an individual state or an entire country. Certainly you knew this, being an elite liberal.

 

[SteelerSask2]

We all know the second amendment protects our rights to hear arms, and the media is making a big fuss over Trump mentioning it. The libs say it was a threat to call gun owners to take a shot at Hillary to protect their rights. Bullshit.

Trump's camp said they were calling on gun owners right to vote. In context, also bullshit.

I heard it many times yesterday, and I feel it was simply a bad joke. Trump delivered the line in jest and even chuckled a bit. I don't think he wants anyone dead, it was simply a joke in poor taste that missed the mark.

People hear what they want to hear. I don't think he threatened her at all. But like you said I think it was a poor taste joke. Not him talking about garnering votes to stop her like his spin doctors are saying. Which comes to the point. His narratime of her is that she is corrupt and in bed with big money. Her narrative of him is that he is reckless, thoughtless, impulsive and unfit for office. The problem is that he plays out her narrative. Weekly on live TV.

 

[ark steel]

Are you under the impression that the 2nd Amendment predated the revolution?

you asked:

When in history has an armed population preserved any other right?

an armed populace preserved a lot of rights during the American Revolution. The constitution didn't MAKE them rights, just delineated what the government could not infringe upon.

Maaybe, you meant

When in history has the 2nd amendment preserved any other right?

how many other countries have the 2nd amendment to which I could refer? Maybe there are some dark days in American history that didn't come to pass because the population was armed. Hard to prove whether that is or is not true. Considering what the government has been willing to do to an armed populace, it is pretty bleak to consider what they might do to an unarmed one. You do know the police that are wantonly murdering black people (your side's words) are GOVERNMENT, right?

 

[Vis]

of course it didnt. our forefathers had to summon the testicular fortitude to stand up to the tyranny of being over-taxed without representation before any amendment would or could happen. Eight years later, the 2nd Amendment was created. For more than 200 years, this has been the law to "the security of a free State" - which can, btw, counselor, mean either an individual state or an entire country. Certainly you knew this, being an elite liberal.

I get the impression that you haven't read the arguments of Mason, Henry and Madison.

 

[Vis]

you asked:



an armed populace preserved a lot of rights during the American Revolution. The constitution didn't MAKE them rights, just delineated what the government could not infringe upon.

Maaybe, you meant



how many other countries have the 2nd amendment to which I could refer? Maybe there are some dark days in American history that didn't come to pass because the population was armed. Hard to prove whether that is or is not true. Considering what the government has been willing to do to an armed populace, it is pretty bleak to consider what they might do to an unarmed one. You do know the police that are wantonly murdering black people (your side's words) are GOVERNMENT, right?

Yep, the 2nd Amendment has stopped the government from oppressing everyone. When the Marines go into Florida, Spike with stop them with his arsenal. Just like Patrick Swazye stopped the Russians. Wolverines!

 

[Superman]

I get the impression that you haven't read the arguments of Mason, Henry and Madison.

so your contention is that since slavery is now non-existent in this country, we absolutely should do away with the 2nd Amendment. Since, your argument is that this was only put in place to control slaves. As you continue to refer to Mason, Henry and Madison. Correct or not?