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The emergence of Spillane.

SteelerInLebanon said:
Bush is still a bit raw and Spillane seems a bit more settled. Spillane totally lost contain on a run to the right today that Bush would have been all over. Bush has been quiet this year but has been a tackling machine. He has stuffed quite a few runs that would have gone big. Spillane is fine between the tackles but if the OLB or DE loses contain he is not going to chase many down on the outside before they get a first at least. He has smarts and hits like a truck he can pug a hole inside with the best of them but he doesn't have the god given attributes needed to do what Bush IS or was doing this year. I do agree he could make a fine fill in or long term replacement for Vince but he is still a liability on outside runs if he is paired with Vince when contain is lost. Bush had the freakish burst to still shut those down.
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In general Splliane has what they call a high football IQ. Bush woud have been all over it you say? More like that is an opinion. Are you aware in the his last three games played Bush had but 2, 1, and 2 solo tackles? While it's true, a tackling machine he has not been this year. Today Spillane had 8 solo tackle. Bush has regressed this year prior to injury.

Bush a short ILB who has been a liability in coverage. Splliane has been targeted 6 times, giving up 3 completions for 8 total yards so far. By contrast Bush has been targeted 22 times allowing 14 completions ( 63.6% ) for 151 yards.

The sample is small for Spillne, but the production is not. If you waiting for me to say Spllaine is better than Bush, I'm not going to say that based off two games. Bush is faster, but he doesn't get off blocks well. The Ravens have good backs.
 
Ike Kelly said:
You just said because of Spillane, you would trade Bush for multiple picks. Hence he is Bush’s replacement this year on 1st/2nd downs. Why deny what you said twice? While you opine Spillane is Bince’s future replacement, Spilly is not under contract for next season. Although he’s setting himself up for a nice one, it’s certainly possible it won’t be with the Steelers. Bince has another year on his contract and he could get a 3 year extension to help with the cap. He’s playing well also.


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I said I'd trade Bush for a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. Wouldn't you?


Spillane is a restricted rights free agent, not an unrestricted free agent.


There is a difference between the two.


For example, The Steelers can offer Splllane a tender of $2.914 million, and get a 2nd round pick is another team offer more, or have the right to match it. Restricted free agents, if a team wants to retain them are much easier to keep, and often offer a higher draft pick if lost at the tender amount. Now, do you still think Spillane is leaving? He's cheap and as we are seeing pretty good. Meanwhile, Williams is scheduled to make over $7,000,000 on the cap. If cut the Steelers save 4 million. I like Vince, but he's not worth that. He's a part-time run player who doesn't do much of anything on special teams.


I have pointed out that in 2021 the cap could be an issue for the Steelers. Not focusing on that now. We are 7-0.
 
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Shane Falco said:
Spillane is doing what is asked and expected. He has surpassed what a lot of people thought. The thing I like about him is he is fundamentally sound. He doesn’t over pursue and he’s got a nose for the ball carrier. Probably our best tackling defenseman. He doesn’t have the speed we’re used to seeing like we have from Shazier or Bush. Spillane uses his angles wisely. He is going to be a long time starter. He’s just starting to scratch the surface.
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Agreed but after Coach's endorsement...I expect some drastic fall off...
 
Coach said:
What limitations do you speak of? I saw him chase down a WR today.

Bush is faster, but if he's a tick slow mentally, what good is speed? This isn't a Bush thread, but no one is really missing him right now,
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"A tick slow mentally"...riiiiiiight...
Coach said:
So you would not trade Bush for a 1st, 2nd and 3rd? That's crazy talk, Bush is not that good. I do it quickly. Like I said he's probably at best the 6th most important man on the Defense.

You give the Steelers two firsts, two seconds, and two thirds, that is going to be one heck of a draft. Enough to plug lots of holes from what will be a tough 2021 free agency year.
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You need to go see someone for a straight jacket...
 
bermudasteel said:
"A tick slow mentally"...riiiiiiight...


You need to go see someone for a straight jacket...
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The guy would trade away the team.


Dear god,

I want to thank you very very very much that cooch has no decision making capabilities within our organization.

Thank you very very very much

did I thank you enough?

sincerely,

a diehard Steeler fanatic
 
Coach said:
In general Splliane has what they call a high football IQ. Bush woud have been all over it you say? More like that is an opinion. Are you aware in the his last three games played Bush had but 2, 1, and 2 solo tackles? While it's true, a tackling machine he has not been this year. Today Spillane had 8 solo tackle. Bush has regressed this year prior to injury.

Bush a short ILB who has been a liability in coverage. Splliane has been targeted 6 times, giving up 3 completions for 8 total yards so far. By contrast Bush has been targeted 22 times allowing 14 completions ( 63.6% ) for 151 yards.

The sample is small for Spillne, but the production is not. If you waiting for me to say Spllaine is better than Bush, I'm not going to say that based off two games. Bush is faster, but he doesn't get off blocks well. The Ravens have good backs.
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but this isn't a Bush thread, nor a thread even remotely insinuating that Spillane is better than Bush.

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well, the fun is about to start as Bince's son will be playing next to him soon.
 
So much for the emergence of Spillane.

I guess 11 tackles and a pick-six weren't enough for him to keep his starting job. Let's bring in a guy who wasn't even going to be a starter this year from an 0-8 team...yeah, baby.
 
So you want to deplete our depth @ LINEBACKER U?

Spillane your reasoning...
 
Coach said:

I said I'd trade Bush for a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. Wouldn't you?


Spillane is a restricted rights free agent, not an unrestricted free agent.


There is a difference between the two.


For example, The Steelers can offer Splllane a tender of $2.914 million, and get a 2nd round pick is another team offer more, or have the right to match it. Restricted free agents, if a team wants to retain them are much easier to keep, and often offer a higher draft pick if lost at the tender amount. Now, do you still think Spillane is leaving? He's cheap and as we are seeing pretty good. Meanwhile, Williams is scheduled to make over $7,000,000 on the cap. If cut the Steelers save 4 million. I like Vince, but he's not worth that. He's a part-time run player who doesn't do much of anything on special teams.


I have pointed out that in 2021 the cap could be an issue for the Steelers. Not focusing on that now. We are 7-0.
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But then you have a hole at Bush's spot if you let Vince go and trade Bush. I love BInce but he may well be a cap casualty if Spillane seems capable. I do not trade Bush for that deal right now. I think you vastly underestimate his importance to the defense and his play this year.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
But then you have a hole at Bush's spot if you let Vince go and trade Bush. I love BInce but he may well be a cap casualty if Spillane seems capable. I do not trade Bush for that deal right now. I think you vastly underestimate his importance to the defense and his play this year.
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no, he doesnt. He is just looking at cap numbers and trying to look like TMC. Thats the whole reason for this thread. Not about spillane, but that vince will likely be a cap casualty and spillane could take his spot.
 
Meanwhile, just hoping for November football.

Good job Spillaine. Better than good in my opinion.
Hoping you recover nicely Bush.

Just wanted to say that.

In that midst of an undefeated season this kind of discussion doesn't really appeal to me. Not interested in losing focus on what we are witnessing thus far.
But carry on.
 
topseed said:
So much for the emergence of Spillane.

I guess 11 tackles and a pick-six weren't enough for him to keep his starting job. Let's bring in a guy who wasn't even going to be a starter this year from an 0-8 team...yeah, baby.
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You realise he was a starter, right?
 
I guess I am in the minority, but, even though Spillane was in the middle of a few "splash plays", there were still almost 300 yards rushing given up. That is unacceptable and if there is somebody else that can help address that issue, I am all for it.
 
nooneuno said:
You realise he was a starter, right?
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No, not right. He wasn't the starter at the beginning of the season.

From the New Yok Post:

"(Williamson) returned this year in training camp but defensive coordinator Gregg Williams seemed reluctant to play him, initially naming Blake Cashman as the starter over Williamson. After Cashman was injured and Williamson recovered from a hamstring injury, Williamson regained his starting spot in Week 3 and had stayed there."
 
SteveA said:
So you want to deplete our depth @ LINEBACKER U?

Spillane your reasoning...
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If it's a depth move, fine. But I think they're bringing in Williamson to supplant Spillane as the starter, and I feel badly for Mickey because I think he's earned the right to stay in there.
 
topseed said:
If it's a depth move, fine. But I think they're bringing in Williamson to supplant Spillane as the starter, and I feel badly for Mickey because I think he's earned the right to stay in there.
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Dulac indicated it was a depth move. Kaboly expects Williamson to start.

I believe Williamson is pretty good against the run, terrible against the pass.
 
What I like about his play so far he’s playing just like he did in college he’s all over the field but seldom out of position he’s a captain of the defense kind of guy same here as he was in school... I can’t imagine the pride he and his family felt with that pick six. To start at linebacker for the storied Pittsburgh Steelers, the team his grandfather played on, then score a pick six against our rivals the shitbirds, a pass thrown by the MVP? oh **** dude that’s as close to WPA heaven as it gets lol go Steelers go Spillane! Truely happy for the young man hope he can keep it up. Williamson is great pick up and should keep him from getting worn down as season goes on Go steeeellllerrrssss!!
 
Coach said:

I said I'd trade Bush for a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks. Wouldn't you?


Spillane is a restricted rights free agent, not an unrestricted free agent.


There is a difference between the two.


For example, The Steelers can offer Splllane a tender of $2.914 million, and get a 2nd round pick is another team offer more, or have the right to match it. Restricted free agents, if a team wants to retain them are much easier to keep, and often offer a higher draft pick if lost at the tender amount. Now, do you still think Spillane is leaving? He's cheap and as we are seeing pretty good. Meanwhile, Williams is scheduled to make over $7,000,000 on the cap. If cut the Steelers save 4 million. I like Vince, but he's not worth that. He's a part-time run player who doesn't do much of anything on special teams.


I have pointed out that in 2021 the cap could be an issue for the Steelers. Not focusing on that now. We are 7-0.
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No I wouldn’t, and neither would 100% of the NFL’s team front office employees. Belicheat wouldn’t do it now for Mahomes either. Trading away that many pics on one player will doom your future.

Thanks captain obvious for pointing out RFA and UFA are different. But you should learn the difference in types of RFA. A 2nd round tender for an RFA is a one year contract worth (2020 numbers) the greater of $3.259 million or 110% of the previous year base salary. The same as what Mike Hilton got.

I don’t know where you get your figures from, but you should go to the main source, like NFL.com. According to them and the CBA:

“Original-round tender: One-year contract worth the greater of (a) $2.133 million or (b) 110 percent of the player's prior-year base salary. Draft-choice compensation: a pick in the round the player was originally drafted in.”

So using the figment of your imagination tender closest to your amount we would net nothing, zip, nada. Because Spilly was a UDFA signed by the Titans, and not a drafted player.

In your words, “There is a difference between the two”. Spillane if he keeps up playing well, could definitely have suitors for a 2nd rounder. He’s making the minimum now ($650k) which is a blessing. He won’t be “cheap” next year. Vince will restructure with an extension and probably be cheaper next year than a 2nd round tag.

BTW genius, Bince does play on ST. He’s got over 20 snaps on the ledger so far. Try again on your dufusplaining.


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Ike Kelly said:
No I wouldn’t, and neither would 100% of the NFL’s team front office employees. Belicheat wouldn’t do it now for Mahomes either. Trading away that many pics on one player will doom your future.

Thanks captain obvious for pointing out RFA and UFA are different. But you should learn the difference in types of RFA. A 2nd round tender for an RFA is a one year contract worth (2020 numbers) the greater of $3.259 million or 110% of the previous year base salary. The same as what Mike Hilton got.

I don’t know where you get your figures from, but you should go to the main source, like NFL.com. According to them and the CBA:

“Original-round tender: One-year contract worth the greater of (a) $2.133 million or (b) 110 percent of the player's prior-year base salary. Draft-choice compensation: a pick in the round the player was originally drafted in.”

So using the figment of your imagination tender closest to your amount we would net nothing, zip, nada. Because Spilly was a UDFA signed by the Titans, and not a drafted player.

In your words, “There is a difference between the two”. Spillane if he keeps up playing well, could definitely have suitors for a 2nd rounder. He’s making the minimum now ($650k) which is a blessing. He won’t be “cheap” next year. Vince will restructure with an extension and probably be cheaper next year than a 2nd round tag.

BTW genius, Bince does play on ST. He’s got over 20 snaps on the ledger so far. Try again on your dufusplaining.


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You would't take a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Bush? That's you. Most here would take that. The 100% reply is really dumb, even by your standards.

Like I said Bush is probably 6th best on the defense, behind Watt, Dupree, Hayward, Tuitt, Haden, and Fitz. He is not good in pass coverage either.

You failed to mention the RFA, which is why I bought it up You come back with a copy and paste job. Lol. Can you answer this, is Vince Williams worth 7 million next year? My reply is heck no, we have negative cap space the way it is, and better free agents of our own to re-sign. Your reply is?

How many tackles does Williams have on special teams? IMO he's miscast on kick coverage, just lacks the speed. Where was Williams 20 snaps on special teams? Kick team coverage our as a blocker? It might interest you to learn that Williams has been in just 12% of the snaps this season on special teams. Last year that number was 8%. My point is Williams doesn't do much of anything on special teams has been proven. Finished dufusplaining yet? I'll give you a B for effort and a C- ( I'm in a good mood today ) for your reply.


https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillVi01.htm
 
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Regarding Bush, we dont give up that amount of rushing yards if Bush is playing. Spillane is playing well, but not even close to the Bush standard. I am not a coach nor do I play one on a message board, but even I can see the effectiveness of our defense with and without Bush.
 
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