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With Trades.

Steelers trade #25(720 value) overall to Donkeys for #31(600 value) and #94 (124 value). Elways uses that pick for Paxton Lynch QB Memphis.
Steelers trade #31(600 value) to '9ers for #37(530 value), #145(33 value) and 2017 4th(37 value). San Fran drafts QB Christian Hackenberg.

RD2(#37)- Jason Spriggs OT Indiana
I know but we have Villanueva. Well, he did play well but not great. We have Adams and Harris right now as the other OT's. Harris only got 675k in bonus. Not that you want to throw that money away but could. Adams is set to make 875k and could easily be cut. Spriggs is a perfect zone blocking LT with quick feet, long arms, and huge hands.

RD2(#58)- Justin Simmons S/DB Boston College
I know I see him falling in mocks to rounds 3, 4, 7. But that is not going to happen. I honestly believe if he falls to us in the second we got a helluva steal. Simmons is sneaky athletic, good burst, nice hops, loose hips, and is a read and react player. There's not a lot of wasted motion, doesn't bite on play action, he is a better tackler than given credit for.

RD3(#89)- Kendall Fuller CB Virginia Tech
Yes, we waited until round 3 to get our CB. But Fuller played a lot of zone in college, he has maybe the best hands at the position in the draft, and wouldn't be around in the 3rd if he wouldn't have hurt his knee. His tape last year looks bad but dude was playing with a torn meniscus. As a Sophomore he played with a broken hand. I think he's a steal here as long as the medical is cleared.

RD3(#94)- Jatavis Brown LB Akron
I pull the trigger on Brown maybe a little early. But here's my thought process. We lost Spence and Garvin in free agency. Timmons is going into the last year of his contract. Shazier is good but often injured. If you like this kid do you cross your fingers he's around in the late 4th? Just like Simmons I go get the guy I want. Brown is a smart kid who called the defensive plays at Akron, he is always chasing the ball (to a fault sometimes) loves contact, special teams demon (replace Garvin) and has some coverage ability. He seems like a guy you want on your team because he will raise the bar for the rest of the team.

RD4(#123)- Tyler Ervin RB San Jose State
Ervin just fits what Hailey has tried with Rainey and Archer. He's a little taller but about the same frame. Has some awesome production numbers and did return punts and kicks in college. With Bell being banged up every year having a guy to spell him or Williams might be advantageous. I could see Ervin being the #3 back on game day and playing on some third downs while being our primary punt and kick return man.

RD5(#145)- Dean Lowry DE Northwestern
Lowry has everything you look for except tyrannosaurus arms. He was very productive in the big ten against good competition and is a smart kid obviously going to Northwestern. I think he could be a nice rotational guy and give us some depth at DE.

RD6(#220)- Dadi Nicolas OLB Virginia Tech
To me Nicolas is a poor mans JPP. He needs to bulk up but he has a great burst and can get the edge on a tackle. I feel he could use some technique and weight training and perhaps could be our Harrison replacement in 2017.

RD7(#229)- Cody Kessler QB USC
Kessler reminds me of a poor mans Drew Brees. Very savvy in the pocket, goes thru his reads, moves his feet well, not a great arm but enough with his anticipation. I feel he would at least pressure Landry Jones and would not surprise me to beat him out.

RD7(246)- Jake Brendel OC UCLA
Thought about going DT but losing McLendon only lost 30% of our defensive snaps so I am hoping McCullers and some sub packages can fill that void. One void we continue to end up with is Pouncey on the IR. Brendel is a quick interior lineman who is a very good technician. He's undersized and that will scare off a lot of teams but in the zone blocking scheme he should be a nice addition and I feel would probably beat out Hubbard for a roster spot.

And remember I still have the 49ers 2017 4th round pick.
 
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No Trades

RD1- Eli Apple CB OSU
Steelers I feel are hiding their true interests and right now have him as their guy. He is long, fast, big, and might have the highest ceiling at the position being only 20 years old. Boom or bust pick I personally would be worried about as we are so close to making a super bowl run.

RD2- Justin Simmons Boston College
Sures up the secondary with our first two picks.

RD3- Javon Hargrave DT South Carolina State
I feel he and McCullers could be a nice thunder and lightening combo you put in during different situations.

RD4- Tyler Ervin RB San Jose State
Gives us that return man and scat back Hailey has been looking for.

RD6- Cole Toner OT Harvard
Smart kid with quick feet. I feel he could compete for the swing tackle position and push Mike Adams off the roster.

RD7a- Dadi Nicolas OLB VT
Gives us a guy to develop behind Debo and perhaps saves us from having to go round 1 for OLB in 2017.

RD7b- Elandon Roberts LB Houston
Has a ton of upside and hopefully can help fill Spence and Garvins shoes.
 
I cringe at the thought of us reaching for Apple.
 
Almost any corner we draft will sit behind Cockrell. Apple, with good coaching could be excellent. He is a bit grabby, but I think he is good.
 
I seriously don't know why only a few on here think Apple is a reach. Most experts think he is a 1st rounder and many have him going in the first half of the first round. I would take him or WJIII at 1-25 in the first without batting an eye.
 
It's the idea that rookies will contribute right away that scares people concerning Apple. The kid needs a year to study and refine his craft, not everyone cb is Marcus Peters. Cockrell and Gay will start, Golson in dime. Not really a spot right away, but Cockrell is on a 1 yr deal, and GAY is older.
 
He's an unfinished product. We can get a first round contributor if we pick the right player at 1.25.
 
Other than NT where do we need a day 1 starter? We can find a NT in rounds 3-4.


Hines57 said:
He's an unfinished product. We can get a first round contributor if we pick the right player at 1.25.
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Tell me how many CB's come into the league and contribute right away? Not many.
http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/db

I am not the biggest Eli Apple fan on the planet and I very much doubt he starts for us this year or even next. But I honestly can't remember a CB with a higher ceiling coming out of the draft in the last 5 years. I would much prefer to trade down and get several key positions filled but that is most likely a pipe dream.
 
Problem with Apple is yeah he has a high ceiling, but being raw and grabby he could easily bust out. High risk high reward types in 1? Not the round I want to play that game.
 
Dice man?? Andrew Dice Clay is publishing mock drafts now??
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ZACKB said:
Other than NT where do we need a day 1 starter? We can find a NT in rounds 3-4.
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If the big NT from Baylor is there at 1.25 I'm pretty sure the draft card is submitted in under 2 minutes. Even with teams playing spread offenses, we need a NT for situational football.

I was big on us drafting an OT before we signed Harris. OT and OG are not needs anymore.

Our other spot of needs ROLB (see ya Jarvis), DB/S. I'd take a flyer on Jaylon Smith in the middle of the draft if he's there. He can rehab that knee and maybe replace Timmons in 2 years on a cheap contract if his knee ever comes back.
 
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Problem with Apple is yeah he has a high ceiling, but being raw and grabby he could easily bust out. High risk high reward types in 1? Not the round I want to play that game.
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I agree he's a boom or bust player. But the facts are we love Ohio State players and we are in need of a CB. I just think he fits the bill if he's there at #25. I actually think he might not slip past the Raiders.
 
I don't know if Jackson or Apple falls. They are both tall corners with good speed and those guys get drafted high. While I'd love for the Steelers to solidify the defensive line with a guy like Billings, I get the feeling with the sub package becoming the base defense, they aren't interested in using three big linemen and will continue to trot out undersized pass rushers who will get gobbled up by the tackles along the edge. I would much rather see Dupree Tuitt Billings/Robinson and Heyward than the near retirement James Harrison, Arthur Moats or Jarvis Jones out on the edge with his hand in the dirt.
 
I think the choice at 25 is between DT Andrew Billings, CB William Jackson III, and SS Karl Joseph. One of those three is a Steeler at 25, it just depends on how the draft falls (Shaq Lawson or Vernon Hargreaves by some miracle end up at 25 obviously changes the scenario) and how the Steeler's board is set up.
 
I think it could be Karl Joseph now.

PFT ran a story this morning from what he called a "consistently correct source" that Joseph is definitely in the first round. If that's the case, I think we are in play at pick 25.

While I target Simmons as my preferred safety, I can see the argument our 2nd round pick might not be the best value and he could be gone by our 3rd round pick (and we might not want to risk that).

If you get Joseph first, I think there will be a solid DT/NT available in the 2nd round due the sheer depth at the position. An Austin Johnson or Chris Jones in round 2 is certainly possible and both could give you 400 snaps as a rookie (which is really all we need).

Then in rounds 3-4 you look at CB value, which is where traditional it is at (and where we normally take that position).

I could see a potential WR or OL as well depending on how things shake out in round 3-4-5 as well.
 
deljzc said:
I think it could be Karl Joseph now.

PFT ran a story this morning from what he called a "consistently correct source" that Joseph is definitely in the first round. If that's the case, I think we are in play at pick 25.

While I target Simmons as my preferred safety, I can see the argument our 2nd round pick might not be the best value and he could be gone by our 3rd round pick (and we might not want to risk that).

If you get Joseph first, I think there will be a solid DT/NT available in the 2nd round due the sheer depth at the position. An Austin Johnson or Chris Jones in round 2 is certainly possible and both could give you 400 snaps as a rookie (which is really all we need).

Then in rounds 3-4 you look at CB value, which is where traditional it is at (and where we normally take that position).

I could see a potential WR or OL as well depending on how things shake out in round 3-4-5 as well.
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I'm leaning this way as well. I expect Jackson and Apple to be off the board by our pick as well as Billings. Not sure about Alexander, but I don't know how they feel about another short cornerback (I have no problem taking him). Joseph seems like the perfect fit for what we want on our defense and it doesn't seem like he will fall. If healthy, Joseph is one of the best defenders in this draft and if you can grab him in the first and a guy like Hargrave or one of the other defensive linemen in the second, you are in good shape for one of the many mid-round corners that they brought into Pittsburgh for a visit.
 
deljzc said:
I think it could be Karl Joseph now.

PFT ran a story this morning from what he called a "consistently correct source" that Joseph is definitely in the first round. If that's the case, I think we are in play at pick 25.

While I target Simmons as my preferred safety, I can see the argument our 2nd round pick might not be the best value and he could be gone by our 3rd round pick (and we might not want to risk that).

If you get Joseph first, I think there will be a solid DT/NT available in the 2nd round due the sheer depth at the position. An Austin Johnson or Chris Jones in round 2 is certainly possible and both could give you 400 snaps as a rookie (which is really all we need).

Then in rounds 3-4 you look at CB value, which is where traditional it is at (and where we normally take that position).

I could see a potential WR or OL as well depending on how things shake out in round 3-4-5 as well.
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Yup. If healthy, he almost has to be the pick. I think Billings, Jackson, and Apple are gone by 1-25. I believe that Colbert and Tomlin are looking at a specific pool of players, along with Joseph. My gut tells me Mackensie, Spence, and Taylor are also possible targets here depending on who's available. I will also add this. There are other teams picking before the Steelers that are also paying close attention to the medical updates for Joseph as this guy pre injury would have gone much higher. There,s a good chance he might be gone as well. Hope he's there....
 
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I personally think a CB is going to drop hard. Washington started a domino effect, since it is now doubtful that they will take a CB with their first pick, and 2 QBs going off the board 1-2 should have another QB going by 15, and possibly a 4th before we pick, if someone jumps up to grab Paxon. This could quite possibly be a very favorable draft for the Steelers this year the way teams are overvaluing the QB position. It means talent is dropping, and CB talent is definitely dropping thanks to Washington.
 
Yep, two weeks ago I didn't think WJIII or Apple would be there at #25 but now it wouldn't surprise me if both were still available. I think Karl Joseph would be in play at #25 as our fall back pick but that's if WJII, Apple, Alexander, Billings, and Taylor are all off that board. I just don't see all those guys off the board and I don't think a lot of teams will have Joseph as a first or even second round pick without being able to work him out and I'm sure there's medical concerns that would drop him down boards.
 
If Apple and WJIII are gone we will either trade down, or take Billings/Joseph. I think, if somehow all those guys are gone, Spence could be an option.
 
Historically, the Steelers draft a player they have met with. I don't think they try to get sneaky or pull smoke and mirrors on their visits. If they are interested in you they talk to you.

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2016/03/steelers-2016-pre-draft-visit-tracker/

So off of this list I would say 5 we draft.
 
not an apple fan. db in nfl is tough job and its even tougher to draft for. guys that make it are tough, crafty, intuitive, and most of all have a short memory and a bit of a chip on their shoulder. i dont see any of that in apple. if being the best athelete out mattered the most, the dude from oklahoma state sitting on the browns bench would be all pro. if we draft a db its got to be williams or go pass rush.
 
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