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The Coronavirus thread

Man, if I was a friend or family, I'd have gotten around to organizing an intervention by now. Some of you have gone off the deep end, or you're teetering dangerously close to the edge. You're being pulled into a vortex of fake news and false information. Snap out of it, before it's too late.

When medical doctors, some with 30 years experience, are considered FAKE news by Leftists, journalism has gone off the rails.

We have had countless Physicians step forward to say "here is what we are seeing and doing on the front lines" in the battle against COVID, only to have YouTube, Twitter, Google censor them...because their findings differ with the media propaganda they want spewed. That's it.

Now let me ask you a realistic question, a practical one. Which would you trust more - CNN or an attending physician who's handled dozens of COVID patients? Google or Dr. Smith from Mt. Sinai Hospital?

Your post Tibs essentially could be rephrased as such: "I stand with Pravda and I believe anything state run media feeds me."

Doctors and nurses are being censored left and right...and you support it...KOMRADE.
 
Doctors and nurses are being censored left and right

You can deep-dive down the breitbart rabbit hole all you want. You can also have all the hissy fits and tantrums you want, do as you please.

This video contains two easily debunked fallacies. The FDA has determined hydroxychloroquine is not effective in treating covid, and have consequently ended their testing. And two, it's widely accepted science that wearing masks helps mitigate airborne spread. There is no debate over that. The whole premise of this propaganda video is based on these two core, false assumptions which at this point in time is not only not helpful, but downright misleading and dangerous. I'm all for free speech, but this is a case of shouting 'fire' in a crowded theater. In the middle of a pandemic the last thing we need is more disinformation.
 
I hate to say it, but I'm on the side of wearing masks in public.

It's just not that hard to do and it makes complete sense to me why it works. The virus is in the water droplets we exhale. The masks block the water droplets.

It has NOTHING to do with keeping you safe. It has everything to do with keeping your germs inside your mouth and other people safe from you.. It's just easiest to make a rule we all wear them since no amount of testing out there completely says "I'm Covid free, therefore I don't have to wear a mask".

I just don't trust Americans saying "I'm 100% sure I don't have it, therefore, I don't have to wear a mask". Bullshit. Wear a mask and don't get me sick and I promise to wear my mask and not get you sick. Problem solved.
 
I hate to say it, but I'm on the side of wearing masks in public.

It's just not that hard to do and it makes complete sense to me why it works. The virus is in the water droplets we exhale. The masks block the water droplets.

It has NOTHING to do with keeping you safe. It has everything to do with keeping your germs inside your mouth and other people safe from you.. It's just easiest to make a rule we all wear them since no amount of testing out there completely says "I'm Covid free, therefore I don't have to wear a mask".

I just don't trust Americans saying "I'm 100% sure I don't have it, therefore, I don't have to wear a mask". Bullshit. Wear a mask and don't get me sick and I promise to wear my mask and not get you sick. Problem solved.

Problem with this statement is not all facecoverings are the same nor provide the same level of filtration or expelling of said droplets.
 
I hate to say it, but I'm on the side of wearing masks in public.

It's just not that hard to do and it makes complete sense to me why it works. The virus is in the water droplets we exhale. The masks block the water droplets.

It has NOTHING to do with keeping you safe. It has everything to do with keeping your germs inside your mouth and other people safe from you.. It's just easiest to make a rule we all wear them since no amount of testing out there completely says "I'm Covid free, therefore I don't have to wear a mask".

I just don't trust Americans saying "I'm 100% sure I don't have it, therefore, I don't have to wear a mask". Bullshit. Wear a mask and don't get me sick and I promise to wear my mask and not get you sick. Problem solved.

Do you wear a mask every flu season? Will you continue to wear one every flu season from now on? Because that's all this is.
 
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Problem with this statement is not all facecoverings are the same nor provide the same level of filtration or expelling of said droplets.

So what? Who said they all had to be the same? Just HELP. And there is no doubt it helps keep moisture away from the air/surfaces.

Again, I said 10 pages ago. Put a mask on and try to fog up a mirror. If you can, your mask isn't working right. If you can't, wear it in public. It helps keep YOUR GERMS away from me. Period.

You guys are looking at masks all the wrong way. It is not there to keep you from getting sick. It is there so YOU don't get other people sick. And if we all follow that logic, masks work. And that's why it can't be "optional" or whether you feel like it or not. You don't wear a mask, it's not YOU taking a risk. You are putting everyone else at risk of YOUR GERMS and there is no way I trust anyone 100% that says "I don't have it..... don't worry about me".
 
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Masks really only work when a vast majority of people wear them. You don't do that during flu season (although I guess we could). It would be a lot of masks for a long period of time.

Again, don't think of masks as protection for YOU. It is just a method, when worn by everyone in public, to reduce the total germs in the air and surfaces. The total parts per million. It does not eliminate them all. It does not stop ALL the droplets from escaping into the air. But it REDUCES THEM.

And since infection is a result of concentration, time and susceptibility, why not TRY and HELP reduce concentration (which is just one part). What harm does it do to you silly complainers really?
 
I pull my mask down to sneeze. I sneeze into the crook of my arm. No way am I sneezing into a mask and having it be gross and damp all day. Same with coughing. I pull it down to cough. I know that’s not what you’re supposed to do but I’m not gonna let my face sit under a wet gross mask.
 
You can deep-dive down the breitbart rabbit hole all you want. You can also have all the hissy fits and tantrums you want, do as you please.

Dear Fan of the State,

This isn't a Breitbart rabbit hole. Doctors...PLURAL...all across this country are being censured. A practice you clearly are completely fine with, riiigghhttt Komrade?

Why are Hospitals Censoring Doctors and Nurses?

Throughout the United States, doctors and nurses at the forefront of the fight against the coronavirus want to share what they are seeing and hearing with the public. But some fear that doing so could get them punished or fired by hospital administrators or medical-staffing agencies. Recent press reports document that many institutions have formally warned employees against speaking out, while some have already terminated various medical professionals.

Accelerated Urgent Care doctors Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi in Bakersfield CA held a press conference where they were critical of the stay at home orders by the government. 23ABC covered their press conference and posted it on YouTube where it received over 5 million views before YouTube took the video down for violating “community guidelines” because the content contradicted the guidance of the local health authority, highlighting the enormous power that Big Tech now has to silence voices of dissent that question the official policies of government.

Yesterday, Facebook, YouTube and Google removed the airing of the Frontline Physicians event - the SINGLE LARGEST WATCHED EVENT on all of Facebook on Monday. Why? They will say it was because of fake news, spreading falsehoods. They dared mention that hydroxycholorquine is working (it is) and since Trump originally suggested it, we know how that goes. It could save millions of lives, but Liberals and the media will NEVER support it...EVER. People will die so they can battle Trump. Anyway, that's the reason they shut it down.

Big Tech is censuring speech (which used to be Free Speech) given by Physicians fact checked by Fact Checkers....who I'm pretty sure have no medical degree. Ya scared yet?

There are countless other physicians who have spoken up, publicly grabbing a microphone, to state clearly that what we are being told and what is reality is disconnected - only to have their messaging snuffed.

Who here is surprised you support this? Anyone?
 
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I am very curious to see how people react each flu season starting next year and every year after when they realize that Covid isn't going away and is going to flare up every year along with the flu. I contend that within 3 years nobody will give it a second thought after they have gone through a couple seasons of flare ups. And I don't think you'll see a mask or a lock down in sight anywhere you go.
 
https://710wor.iheart.com/featured/...totally-wrong-predictions-and-contradictions/

Dr. Anthony Fauci’s 15 Totally Wrong Predictions and Contradictions
By Mark Simone
May 12, 2020
It’s hard to believe but America’s top Infectious Disease Doctor Anthony Fauci has been wrong on the coronavirus pandemic —Every step of the way!
Here is a list of several errors, contradictory statements and dangerous gaffes by NIAID Director Dr. Tony Fauci:

1.) Dr. Fauci says he warned Trump in January that the US was in real trouble but that is not what he said publicly.

In January Dr. Anthony Fauci told Newsmax TV that the United States “did not have to worry”about the coronavirus and that it was“not a major threat.”

2.) Dr. Fauci warned of an apocalyptic coronavirus pandemic — then just weeks later he compared the coronavirus to a bad flu.

3.) Dr. Fauci based all of his predictions on models the that were OFF BY MILLIONS and then later told reporters,“You can’t really rely on models.”

4.) On March 20th Dr. Fauci jumped in and during a press briefing on hydroxychloroquine treatment for coronavirus “corrected” the president saying, “You got to be careful when you say ‘fairly effective.’ It was never done in a clinical trial… It was given to individuals and felt that maybe it worked.”

Exactly two weeks later hydroxychloroquine was deemed the most highly rated treatmentfor the novel coronavirus in an international poll of more than 6,000 doctors.

5.) Dr. Fauci pushed these garbage models every step of the way.

A month ago Dr. Fauci claimed 1 million to 2 million Americans would die from coronavirus. Then he said 100,000 to 200,000 Americans will die from the virus. Three weeks ago he agreed 81,766 Americans would die from the coronavirus. Then by that Wednesday Then by that Wednesday the experts cut the number of deaths to 60,415 projected deaths. to 60,415 projected deaths.

6.) On Easter Dr. Fauci suggested President Trump. should have shut down the economy in February… When the number of known cases in the US was around 100. Fauci later walked back his attacks.

7.) Dr. Fauci said cruises were OK on March 9th. That was a huge error.

8.) Dr. Fauci said malls, movies and gyms were OK on February 29th. That was another huge mistake.

9.) Dr. Fauci was wrong about the first coronavirus deaths in the country. Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx and the CDC were off by nearly a month. California officials revealed in Aprilthat a patient in Santa Clara died from coronavirus on February 6th not February 29th.

10.)
Dr. Fauci and the CDC missed themillions and millions of US citizenswho had already contracted the coronavirus before the draconian lockdowns took place. Knowing this could have prevented the economic calamity.

11.)
OnApril 15, 2020, Fauci endorses Tinder hookups, unbelievably.

12.) Dr. Fauci relied on corrupt W.H.O rulesto lock down the United States and destroy the US economy. Meanwhile, this delays the herd immunity that is needed to prevent a future outbreak of this deadly virus.

13.) Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx used the Imperial College Model to persuade President Trump to lock down the entire US economy. The Imperial model has since been confirmed as A COMPLETE FRAUD.

14.) Dr. Fauci warned that Georgia would see a surge in coronavirus cases and deaths by opening their economy too early.

He was wrong again– In fact the opposite happened.

15.) And on Tuesday during testimony Dr. Fauci told Dr. Rand Paul that opening the schools would not be a good idea.
 
Personally, I would never make the decision on HOW to treat my illness without consulting MY DOCTOR (or a doctor I trust).

I have not idea if hydroxycholorquine works or not, or if it works in combination with other treatments. Honestly people, don't get your health care advice from the internet. Even WebMD. Talk to your doctor.

I don't like censorship of anyone. I don't like the way Facebook and Twitter have been kind of railroaded by main stream media and lefiists into being anything more than a medium for people to stand on a soap box on the corner. If you can't stop me from saying something on a soap box on the corner, than I'm not sure I believe Facebook should be taking it down.

Yes, that means people in this country have to start thinking for themselves again. And that will be a painful process. And yes, people will have to decide what is bullshit and not bullshit on their own (GASP!).
 
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This message is hidden because Tibs is on your ignore list.

I still don't get why you guys even converse with this dirtbag troll that lives thousands of miles away in another Country....more than likely another planet.

He brings nothing but vitriol and divisiveness to the conversation and delights in antagonizing anyone who will pay him any attention.

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Dear Fan of the State,

This isn't a Breitbart rabbit hole. Doctors...PLURAL...all across this country are being censured. A practice you clearly are completely fine with, riiigghhttt Komrade?

Why are Hospitals Censoring Doctors and Nurses?



Accelerated Urgent Care doctors Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi in Bakersfield CA held a press conference where they were critical of the stay at home orders by the government. 23ABC covered their press conference and posted it on YouTube where it received over 5 million views before YouTube took the video down for violating “community guidelines” because the content contradicted the guidance of the local health authority, highlighting the enormous power that Big Tech now has to silence voices of dissent that question the official policies of government.

Yesterday, Facebook, YouTube and Google removed the airing of the Frontline Physicians event - the SINGLE LARGEST WATCHED EVENT on all of Facebook on Monday. Why? They will say it was because of fake news, spreading falsehoods. They dared mention that hydroxycholorquine is working (it is) and since Trump originally suggested it, we know how that goes. It could save millions of lives, but Liberals and the media will NEVER support it...EVER. People will die so they can battle Trump. Anyway, that's the reason they shut it down.

Big Tech is censuring speech (which used to be Free Speech) given by Physicians fact checked by Fact Checkers....who I'm pretty sure have no medical degree. Ya scared yet?

There are countless other physicians who have spoken up, publicly grabbing a microphone, to state clearly that what we are being told and what is reality is disconnected - only to have their messaging snuffed.

Who here is surprised you support this? Anyone?

You forgot to put quotation marks around “doctors”.
 
I still don't get why you guys even converse with this dirtbag troll that lives thousands of miles away in another Country....more than likely another planet. He brings nothing but vitriol and divisiveness to the conversation and delights in antagonizing anyone who will pay him any attention.


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Personally, I would never make the decision on HOW to treat my illness without consulting MY DOCTOR (or a doctor I trust).

I have not idea if hydroxycholorquine works or not, or if it works in combination with other treatments. Honestly people, don't get your health care advice from the internet. Even WebMD. Talk to your doctor.

I don't like censorship of anyone. I don't like the way Facebook and Twitter have been kind of railroaded by main stream media and lefiists into being anything more than a medium for people to stand on a soap box on the corner. If you can't stop me from saying something on a soap box on the corner, than I'm not sure I believe Facebook should be taking it down.

Yes, that means people in this country have to start thinking for themselves again. And that will be a painful process. And yes, people will have to decide what is bullshit and not bullshit on their own (GASP!).

And a lot of doctors are wrong and make mistakes. One needs to only look at the fatalities caused by medical malpractice every year. More than this covid is going to kill for sure.

A doc in the box won't know much on certain subjects compared to specialists.


I've had some first hand experience in that with prior injuries and treatments being completed opposite when i saw a specialist after a general practitioner.
 
You forgot to put quotation marks around “doctors”.

so, now you're suggesting these guys are NOT doctors.

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so, now you're suggesting these guys are NOT doctors.

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No different than Joe Biden. If you don't vote for him "you ain't black." Likewise, if you don't follow the MSM fear-mongering advice on COVID, "you ain't a doctor."

I'm all for Liberals visiting only their "doctors" - could be effective Darwinism.
 
Tim,

We see eye to eye on a lot of things, but if you are not wearing a mask in public now that you have Covid in your home, you are not only wrong, but endangering people. I could care less if you've tested yourself every day and every test comes up negative.

You should wear a mask anytime you enter a place where you are 6' close to another person.
 
Tim,

We see eye to eye on a lot of things, but if you are not wearing a mask in public now that you have Covid in your home, you are not only wrong, but endangering people. I could care less if you've tested yourself every day and every test comes up negative.

You should wear a mask anytime you enter a place where you are 6' close to another person.

Can you please find any post at all anywhere where I say I'm not wearing a mask? I have questioned their effectiveness, but I never leave home without one, and I wear one in the house anytime I'm within 10 feet of my son. There are 2 in each of our cars in case someone forgets one. I'll repeat...I'm never without one in public, and often wear one in my house of late.

I'd appreciate understanding where you've gotten the idea that I don't wear them?

No need to be a Karen here.

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Update: My son has a consultation with his Dr. tomorrow. Despite having sniffles, fatigue, and a bad earache (he's had 3 sets of tubes inserted over the years and always gets ear infections when he gets a cold), he's been remarkably unaffected. Crossing fingers this stays the same. He goes for walks alone with a mask late at night, now has his weights in his room and works out. He appears to have suffered no more than cold-like symptoms. Today is 1 week after his diagnosis.
 
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