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You called it. NBC news last night, all Covid, all night, panic, dire warnings, etc.
Hey, NBC, lockdowns, and Fauci: Go **** yourself.
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You called it. NBC news last night, all Covid, all night, panic, dire warnings, etc.
Hey, NBC, lockdowns, and Fauci: Go **** yourself.
Scott Adams is awesome. People give him **** on Twitter and he gives them **** right back. If you don't follow him and singer Eric Carmen (@RealEricCarmen) on Twitter, you should. Carmen is right up there with Kid Rock and Ted Nugent.
This is a mom and pop I’m guessing. Family run local community. It’s gorgeous, so clean, they are always out talking with folks, the kids that lifeguard are so frign nice and respectful. It’s a great place. They were almost not going to open bc no one was doing their dues bc we didn’t know. I guess he said f it and was opening no matter what.
<header class="post-header">[h=1]Facts about Covid-19[/h]</header>
Fully referenced facts about Covid-19, provided by experts in the field, to help our readers make a realistic risk assessment. (Regular updates below)
“The only means to fight the plague is honesty.” (Albert Camus, 1947)
[h=4]Overview[/h] - According to the latest immunological and serological studies, the overall lethality of Covid-19 (IFR) is about 0.1% and thus in the range of a strong seasonal influenza (flu).
- Even in global “hotspots”, the risk of death for the general population of school and working age is typically in the range of a daily car ride to work. The risk was initially overestimated because many people with only mild or no symptoms were not taken into account.
- Up to 80% of all test-positive persons remain symptom-free. Even among 70-79 year olds, about 60% remain symptom-free. Over 95% of all persons develop at most moderate symptoms.
- Up to 60% of all persons may already have a certain cellular background immunity to Covid19 due to contact with previous coronaviruses (i.e. common cold viruses).
- The median or average age of the deceased in most countries (including Italy) is over 80 years and only about 4% of the deceased had no serious preconditions. The age and risk profile of deaths thus essentially corresponds to normal mortality.
- In many countries, up to two thirds of all extra deaths occurred in nursing homes, which do not benefit from a general lockdown. Moreover, in many cases it is not clear whether these people really died from Covid19 or from weeks of extreme stress and isolation.
- Up to 30% of all additional deaths may have been caused not by Covid19, but by the effects of the lockdown, panic and fear. For example, the treatment of heart attacks and strokes decreased by up to 60% because many patients no longer dared to go to hospital.
- Even in so-called “Covid19 deaths” it is often not clear whether they died from or with coronavirus (i.e. from underlying diseases) or if they were counted as “presumed cases” and not tested at all. However, official figures usually do not reflect this distinction.
- Many media reports of young and healthy people dying from Covid19 turned out to be false: many of these young people either did not die from Covid19, they had already been seriously ill (e.g. from undiagnosed leukaemia), or they were in fact 109 instead of 9 years old. The claimed increase in Kawasaki disease in children also turned out to be false.
- The normal overall mortality per day is about 8000 people in the US, about 2600 in Germany and about 1800 in Italy. Influenza mortality per season is up to 80,000 in the US and up to 25,000 in Germany and Italy. In several countries Covid19 deaths remained below strong flu seasons.
- Regional increases in mortality can occur if there is a collapse in the care of the elderly and sick as a result of infection or panic, or if there are additional risk factors such as severe air pollution. Special regulations for dealing with the deceased sometimes led to additional bottlenecks in funeral or cremation services.
- In countries such as Italy and Spain, and to some extent the UK and the US, hospital overloads due to strong flu waves are not unusual. In addition, up to 15% of doctors and health workers are now being put into quarantine, even if they develop no symptoms.
- The often shown exponential curves of “corona cases” are misleading, as the number of tests also increased exponentially. In most countries, the ratio of positive tests to tests overall (i.e. the positive rate) remained constant at 5% to 25% or increased only slightly. In many countries, the peak of the spread was already reached well before the lockdown.
- Countries without curfews and contact bans, such as Japan, South Korea or Sweden, have not experienced a more negative course of events than other countries. Sweden was even praised by the WHO and now benefits from higher immunity compared to lockdown countries.
- The fear of a shortage of ventilators was unjustified. According to lung specialists, the invasive ventilation (intubation) of Covid19 patients, which is partly done out of fear of spreading the virus, is in fact often counterproductive and damaging to the lungs.
- Contrary to original assumptions, various studies have shown that there is no evidence of the virus spreading through aerosols (i.e. tiny particles floating in the air) or through smear infections (e.g. on door handles or smartphones). The main modes of transmission are direct contact and droplets produced when coughing or sneezing.
- There is also no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of face masks in healthy or asymptomatic individuals. On the contrary, experts warn that such masks interfere with normal breathing and may become “germ carriers”. Leading doctors called them a “media hype” and “ridiculous”.
- Many clinics in Europe and the US remained strongly underutilized or almost empty during the Covid19 peak and in some cases had to send staff home. Numerous operations and therapies were cancelled, including many cancer screenings and organ transplants.
- Several media were caught trying to dramatize the situation in hospitals, sometimes even with manipulative images and videos. In general, the unprofessional reporting of many media maximized fear and panic in the population.
- The virus test kits used internationally are prone to errors and can produce false positive and false negative results. Moreover, the official virus test was not clinically validated due to time pressure and may sometimes react positive to other coronaviruses.
- Numerous internationally renowned experts in the fields of virology, immunology and epidemiology consider the measures taken to be counterproductive and recommend rapid natural immunisation of the general population and protection of risk groups.
- At no time was there a medical reason for the closure of schools, as children hardly ever transmit the virus or fall ill with it themselves. There is also no medical reason for small classes, masks or ‘social distancing’ rules in schools.
- The claim that only severe Covid-19 but not influenza may cause venous thrombosis and pulmonary (lung) embolism is not true, as it has been known for 50 years that severe influenza greatly increases the risk of thrombosis and embolism, too.
- Several medical experts described vaccines against coronaviruses as unnecessary or even dangerous. Indeed, the vaccine against the so-called swine flu of 2009, for example, led to sometimes severe neurological damage and lawsuits in the millions.
- The number of people suffering from unemployment, depressions and domestic violence as a result of the measures has reached historic record values. Several experts predict that the measures will claim more lives than the virus itself. According to the UN millions of people around the world may fall into absolute poverty and famine.
- NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden warned that the “corona crisis” will be used for the massive and permanent expansion of global surveillance. The renowned virologist Pablo Goldschmidt spoke of a “global media terror” and “totalitarian measures”. Leading British virologist professor John Oxford spoke of a “media epidemic”.
- More than 500 scientists have warned of an “unprecedented surveillance of society” through problematic apps for “contact tracing”. In some countries, such “contact tracing” is already carried out directly by the secret service. In several parts of the world, the population is already being monitored by drones and facing serious police overreach.
- A 2019 WHO study on public health measures against pandemic influenza found that from a medical perspective, “contact tracing” is “not recommended in any circumstances”.
If this is legit, wow.
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They're in a bind. We know that they want to justify the lockdown and likely want to do another to ensure mail in voting. These protests go against everything they have said so far. But they can't speak out against them. Now the problem is what happens if there is no explosion of cases after all these mass protests?
People might just start to feel safe in public again and they can't have that yet. They can't have an economic recovery.
But Russia.
I've watched this video from the very beginning to the very end, and I have a lot of questions. Not so much for the nurse (getting a little bit of knowledge on mannerisms and the telltale signs of people lying, she seems to not be) -- but this is absolutely scandalous. This is not only disgraceful but completely illegal. If this comes out that it's true in any way shape or form, this is the biggest legal scandal of our time IMO.
I'd really like any medical professionals/nurses etc. to watch this and comment on it, please. Felt like I was in the twilight zone or in some other country, or on some other planet watching this ****. Unreal, I don't know how much more of this bullshit I can actually take.
Its a tool to get a goal accomplished at this point... science says it’s irrelevant... if you believe facts and data it’s irrelevant even with inflated numbers... its now a political tool to steal an election that the dems have utterly blown otherwise...
They came out as anti law enforcement pro criminals straight communists... they will lose 45 states unless they can cheat... that is all this is about now.... and thats coming from a guy that hates the idea of either the republicans or democrats having absolute power...
They came out as anti law enforcement pro criminals straight communists... they will lose 45 states unless they can cheat... that is all this is about now.... and thats coming from a guy that hates the idea of either the republicans or democrats having absolute power...
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I'm 13 minutes into this and it's hard to believe. At least in the movie Coma, the motive was harvesting organs. This is purposely getting people infected with COVID-19 to put them on the ventilators (which kills most of them) to get $13,000 for COVID positive and $39,000 for a ventilator treatment. This has to get out. This is mass murder. I'm sure the media will be all over it.
After the **** our Government tried to get rid of Trump , nothing surprises me any more.
Do not believe the MSM. The protest mania has now run it's course, so they are back to Covid fear mongering. It is absolutely disgusting.
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An international, globalist attack on the sovereign United States, it's voting process, its economy, its institutions, and not without infiltration at the highest levels of government and the military aided and abetted by the DNC and many quisling RINO's.
I think that context is the only way to make sense of all we have seen and the kitchen sink thrown into 2020. This Election is existential for them with the SCOTUS and criminal referrals in the wings over the coup attempt.
With their necks on the line, they want the only neck you think about to be the one of George Floyd.
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All from a designer virus. Hell I was reading today 70% of the people who have it are very low spreaders while about 20% of people are high spreaders...wtf is that about? Blood type,genetic makup.
My naughty side would give china a little payback in the germ warfare department if I could. It would be an accident of course.
Florida had 1900+ cases a few days ago ,and plus 2500 friday. We're pretty much going to have it run its course. shelter the old and sick as best as we can.
My naughty side would give china a little payback in the germ warfare department if I could. It would be an accident of course.
Florida had 1900+ cases a few days ago ,and plus 2500 friday. We're pretty much going to have it run its course. shelter the old and sick as best as we can.
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This is horrific and if true, criminal. She is brave for speaking out.
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This is pretty much it because we have too many stupid or stubborn people in this country to make a few sacrifices such as wearing a mask indoors because it "infringes on their freedom." Then you have the hypocrisy that having small gatherings isn't safe yet protests with thousands shoulder to shoulder is.
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You'd have to wear a mask for the next year or so. Even better would be a mask that actually stops the virus or kills it on contact with uv light...which would be interesting in public if developed.
You'll have to ban all travel into and out of the country as well.
The protest stuff is ******* bullshit. Make someone shut down their buisness and just before you can a chance to open up they let a bunch of ********* loot and burn it to the ground.
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Something else that would help is contact tracing. For about three weeks straight we had no more than one or two new cases per day and there hasn't been a word about contact tracing. It's been a successful practice in other countries and I know it wouldn't go over well hear because of "freedoms" and "invasion of privacy."
Something else that will help would be to identify the most common, and frequent, methods of transmission. Then hopefully, people can make a better effort to avoid them.
Locking us down to avoid herd immunity and early treatment measures has been huge in the impact this has had. That Michigan ***** banning garden seeds to keep people from sunlight and vitamin D. I mean who doesn't see that as unnecessary and harmful?
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That helps too. Florida just had another day with close to 2000 new cases. Testing is way up, so still about 5% testing postive. They're offering antibody testing at multiple locations around Jacksonville now. I'm going to try and get in this week for it. I'm fairly certain, but not 100% I'm immune to it.We all felt like *** with respiratory issues in the early part of the year. I've been immune to just about every strain of flu under the sun, so we shall see.
Either way not much more we can do
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Wow, your comment seems to project some disdain for those who don't want the government invading their privacy or gaining any more Big Brother precedents and footholds than has already been ceded in the name of "crisis" -- a false one at that.
"Contact tracing" and "Social Distancing" are simply new Orwellian terms entered into the national lexicon from Covid-1984. Just what we need, a bunch of contact tracers emboldened with Medical Administrative State power and authority over our lives.
I think society would be better off in the long run just letting Covid-19 run its course, instead of upending society as we have known it and the economy in the name of Covid-1984.
Maybe I'm way off base here, but all of this sounds pretty un-American to me. For this virus at least.
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I thought the same thing until I recently re-watched the movie 2011 movie Contagion and it was like reverse deja vu, except that the virus in Contagion was much more dangerous - VERY similar statistics to the intial Fauci predictions. Talked about social distancing and a government expert spurned alternate therapy of fosythia. This social distancing response has been in the chamber for a while.