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The Coronavirus thread

Where are you seeing a decline? we have over a thousand more cases today than yesterday. And will be about the same in deaths. Plateauing to degree hopefully but not yet on the down turn.

The earlier, harder hit countries are showing signs of decline. Italy is on the downside of the bell curve. So is Spain, Germany is entering it. Cuomo is predicting NY has hit the plateau. Maryland's Governor said we have reached our peak. NY and California have seen a decline in ICU cases.

New York is the hardest hit portion of the country:

New York Coronavirus Hospitalizations Drop To Lowest Level Since March 19

New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said in a press conference on Thursday that even though his state again saw its biggest single-day increase in coronavirus deaths, the total number of new hospitalizations continues to decline, hitting its lowest level in three weeks.

The “good news,” however, is that new coronavirus hospitalizations in the state decreased to just 200, which is “the lowest number we’ve had since this nightmare started,” Cuomo said.

Daily ICU admissions and number of intubations have also fallen significantly: “All of this data suggests that we are flattening the curve so far,” the governor of New York said on Thursday.
 
Ann Coulter dropping some bombs. Entertaining article

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I'LL HAVE THE CHICKEN TESTICLE SOUP - HOLD THE DEADLY VIRUS

It’s probably a coincidence, but I notice that as businesses go under, jobs are lost, careers are ended and trillions of dollars are drained from the economy, the people most avidly pushing the coronavirus panic are doing quite well.

No politician or government official has taken a salary cut. To the contrary, dusty bureaucrats now find the entire country transfixed by their every utterance. Cable news hosts still make millions of dollars -- and now they get to work from home!

Annoyingly, though, journalists can’t seem to relay the basic elements of a news story: who, what, where and why.

First, who’s dying? It appears to be mostly the old, people with specific medical conditions and vapers.

To be sure, that’s not as important as daily updates on Chris Cuomo’s personal battle with the coronavirus, but it might be kind of important to the 17 million Americans who’ve been thrown out of work, many of whom are not elderly, immunocompromised or vapers.

Second, the “what.” What exactly constitutes a “coronavirus death”?

It turns out a person with Stage 4 lung cancer and a bullet through the heart will be counted as a “coronavirus death” if he also tested positive for the disease, OR merely exhibited symptoms associated with it (symptoms that are coextensive with the flu and pneumonia).

We’re told that, if anything, coronavirus deaths are being undercounted because the numbers don’t include those who die of it at home.

If so, then the death count also excludes those who die at home of other things, like heart attacks and poisonings. Many of these people might have survived -- except they were too scared to go to a hospital or couldn't find an EMT to take them there, per current edicts.

The “where” is: Where did the virus originate, and where did it first land in this country?

Despite the media’s best efforts -- DON’T CALL IT THE “CHINESE VIRUS”! -- people know that the virus began at a wet market in China.

But where did it start in this country? Washington state was the site of our very first case. Washington state is also 9.3% Asian. Even now, it has eight times more coronavirus cases per capita than neighboring Oregon (4.8% Asian).

Could it be that Chinese-Americans have more contact with the epicenter of this plague than other Americans? As the left always lectures us, BELIEVE THE SCIENCE!

The virus next leapt to New York (9% Asian) and New Jersey (10% Asian). The worst-hit borough of Manhattan is Queens. Guess which borough has the most Asians? Elmhurst Hospital in Queens is the worst-hit hospital in the nation. Elmhurst neighborhood: 50% Asian.

Notice a pattern? While it’s true that “viruses don’t have nationalities!” -- and thank you very much for pointing that out, media! -- the carriers of viruses do have nationalities.

Arguably, Trump had a reason to shut down travel from China other than “hysteria, xenophobia and fear-mongering", as Joe Biden claimed in a tweet on Feb. 1.

Of course, once it’s here, it’s here and can spread all over. Still, compare New York and New Jersey to, say, Montana and West Virginia.

Chinese virus deaths, so far, by population:

-- New York (9% Asian): 29 per 100,000

-- New Jersey (10% Asian): 13 per 100,000

-- Montana (0.9% Asian): 0.6 per 100,000

-- West Virginia (0.8% Asian): 0.2 per 100,000

Then there’s California, which alone among the four states with the highest Asian populations has relatively few coronavirus cases, probably due to its warm climate and little public transportation, among other things. In those respects, California is a lot like Texas -- which has about a third as many Asians and also about half as many coronavirus deaths (1.1 per 100,000 in California, compared to 0.71 per 100,000 in Texas).

MEDIA: Oh, why does it matter?

OK, OK, you’re right. But isn’t the prevalence of the coronavirus in states with high Asian populations at least as interesting as this recent article in The New York Times magazine?

Story summary:

Man with severe asthma gets coronavirus, has low-grade fever for approximately 10 days with muscle pain, nausea and fatigue, develops walking pneumonia per X-ray (no clinical evidence) ...

Recovers.

The End.

Finally, why? Why do we have to deal with this virus at all?

The media would prefer if you would stop asking this question, but Americans who didn’t have to die are dead because of Wall Street’s decision to merge our economy with the Chinese, who have unusual eating habits.

The Chinese eat wolf pups. But eating dog wasn’t weird enough. It didn’t give them a frisson of freakishness. They also eat bats, snakes and chicken testicles.

Husband: Oh, honey, golden retriever again?

[Kids groan]

Mom: Not tonight! For a special treat, we're having chicken testicles!

Kids: Aw, you're the best mom ever!

Tigers and rhinos are the most endangered species on Earth because Chinese people think rhinoceros horns and tiger penises can cure impotence. The Caspian, Bali and Javan tigers are already extinct because of this charming folk remedy.

Recently added to the endangered species list is the cute, cartoonish pangolin, the most trafficked animal is the world. Unfortunately, the pangolin’s scales are believed to cure any number of ailments, according to traditional Chinese medicine.

Where’s PETA?

The media are too busy covering for China. At least the Chinese aren’t white.

Although, it occurs to me that, despite America’s terrible toxic whiteness, one way our culture is superior to others is that we don’t believe lunatic nonsense that wipes out entire species or launches viral pandemics on the world.

Now back to Chris Cuomo’s riveting battle with the coronavirus.
 
Where are you seeing a decline? we have over a thousand more cases today than yesterday. And will be about the same in deaths. Plateauing to degree hopefully but not yet on the down turn.

In Ohio where I live.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/g...-coronavirus-outlook-has-improved/ar-BB12oTZa

Ohio Department of Health Director Dr. Amy Acton made waves on Wednesday when she revealed that the state's new modeling shows that its coronavirus (COVID-19) is projected to peak with 1,600 new daily cases, down from the previous projection of 10,000.
 
Liberals: We must follow the WHO.

Trump: I'm gonna cut off their funding.

Liberals: TDS Rage

The WHO is run by a GEM of a human being.

WHO Director Was Top Member of Violent Ethiopian Communist Party…
The Crimes of Tedros Adhanom

WHO’s Tedros Adhanom Should be put on Trial for Crimes Against Humanity

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, as well as being the first WHO director without a medical degree, also has a somewhat political background compared to his predecessors. On his online biography, the WHO lays out his qualifications as Ethiopian Minister of Health from 2002 to 2012, impressive stuff.

Aside from his medical credentials, Tedros happens to be a member of the Tigray People’s Liberation Front (TPLF) which is an organisation about as peaceful as its name suggests. Founded as a communist revolutionary party that came to power in 1991, it led a guerrilla campaign against the Mengistu dictatorship and formed a coalition with two other ethnic parties after his exile.

Over time, the TPLF began to exert more and more influence over the other two parties. Most military generals and key leaders within the government are Tigray, including the Prime Minister who ruled the country for 21 years before his death. The Tigray represent only 6% of the population of Ethiopia, one of the major ethnic groups are the Amhara who mostly made up the Mengistu regime.

Favourable treatment under Megistu created a lot of resentment towards the Amhara from other ethnic groups like for example the Oromo. Tedros himself hails from the Tigray region and was a senior member of the party and became involved with the TPLF after the removal of Mengistu. The same party that in its 1968 manifesto called the Amhrara people its ‘eternal enemy’. Just how senior was Tedros? Well this Ethiopian newspaper listed him as the 3rd most important member of the politbureau standing committee, which gives the impression he was more important than a simple medical administrator.

The TPLF was listed as a terrorist organisation by the US government in the 1990s, and is still listed as one by the Global Terror Database because of its unfortunate habit of carrying out armed assaults in rural areas.

The Amhara people have reported systematic discrimination and human rights abuses by the current government. Humans Rights Watch in 2010 wrote a report on how aid in the form of food and fertiliser was withheld from local Amhara villagers because of their affiliations with the opposition party. Other forms of aid denial involved the refusal of emergency healthcare by ministry of health workers; the same ministry which was at the time being led by one Tedros Adhanom.

The Amhara People’s Union, an activist group based in Washington, has issued many other accusations of human rights abuses against the TPLF led government, including noting that the birth rates in the Amhara region was far lower than those experienced in other regions. They noted at a session in Ethiopian parliament that, around 2 million Amhara were found to have “disappeared” from the population census.

Not content with denying aid to political dissidents, Tedros was also health minister at a time when the regime was accused of covering up epidemics. A cholera outbreak spread the region in 2007, infecting thousands in neighbouring countries. When it spread to Ethiopia, the government simply renamed the outbreak and called it Acute Watery Diarrhoea (AWD). International organisations were pressured not to call it Cholera (despite the UN testing the infected and finding Cholera), and were pressured by government employees not to reveal the number of infected. Another stunning victory for the health minister.

The deadly famine which struck Ethiopia in the 1980s forever associated the country with the word, but it’s not entirely a thing of the past. The WHO itself after pages of gushing reports on how well Ethiopia’s health sector was doing, admitted in 2016 that at least 8.6 million people still needed food aid to survive, and that the situation had not improved at all for at least four years. So at the end of Tedros’ illustrious term in office he could boast a mere remaining 8% of the population who would be left to starve to death without foreign aid.

But after his shining accomplishments in health, Tedros had bigger fish to fry. In 2012 he was appointed foreign minister and there quickly followed a crackdown on journalists and government opponents in the country, and an attempt to extradite those who had fled to Yemen in exile. The two countries entered negotiations to track down and deport dissidents from Yemen and imprison them in Ethiopia. Tedros himself led these negotiations, there’s even a nice picture of the medical man during the talks with the Yemeni foreign minister.

One such case was a British citizen Andy Tsege who was arrested at Sana’a airport and twice given a death sentence in Ethiopia. This led to the involvement of the British government who threatened denial of aid to Ethiopia unless he be granted asylum. Tedros responded that Tsege was “being treated very well. He even has a laptop, have you ever heard of a political prisoner with a laptop?” Andy of course, after his return to the UK told a somewhat different story of being tortured for days on end, alongside dozens of other prisoners.

One of the reasons perhaps that Tedros’ qualifications as foreign minister is absent from some of his online CVs, may be because of the mass protests that engulfed the country in 2016. The Ethiopian government a few years earlier had unveiled a plan to seize 1000 square miles of land to be requisitioned for investment. This also involved the forced relocation of 15000 people in the Oromia region, which the government said was good because where they lived they currently “lacked infrastructure”.

But the ingrates somehow didn’t appreciate this massive favour that the government was doing them, and mass protests broke out during a cultural celebration in 2016. The police responded at first with tear gas, and then later, with mass shootings. The violence and resulting stampede killed an estimated 500 people according to Human Rights Watch. The government then issued a state of emergency, arresting an estimated 70,000 people, and forced dozens of opposition journalists into exile.

Tedros himself got into a public spat with Human Rights Watch after their presentation, firstly denying that the numbers were as high as they were, and then claiming that the police were unarmed, here’s a video of the police at the event. Being no expert myself I assume that Ethiopia must have found a way to develop assault-rifle shaped crowd control devices that are entirely non-lethal, truly miraculous stuff from the Foreign Ministry.

And so this is the noble figure that ascended to the role of director of the WHO in 2017. Not one to miss a chance to defend mass murderers, he previously argued against the ICC trial of Uhuru Kenyatta under whose government 1,300 had been killed after rigged elections. Not surprising then, that one of the first things Tedros did after taking the job, was to nominate Robert Mugabe – thankfully now dead - as goodwill ambassador to the WHO; A man who ordered the killings of 20,000 people in Zimbabwe during the 1980s.

Tedros of course takes every chance he can to praise the good governance of China, and given the human rights record of the People’s Republic, it’s no wonder he likes them so much. From projects like media propaganda centres, mass relocations, and social credit style score cards, Ethiopia’s governance in many ways resembles a carbon copy of the Chinese authoritarian model. Complete with a one party state and focus on profit over human rights.


Ethiopia , until very recently, remained one of the world’s worst human rights violators, receiving a score of 19 out of 100 on the human freedom index for 2018, and a score of 150 out of 180 for freedom of the press. The government has remained in power since the takeover in 1991, and was seemingly so popular that it won more than one election by 100% of the vote.

So how did a man with a record like Tedros become director of the WHO? It’s quite simple really, the WHO has been riddled with scandal after scandal for some time now. Facing almost no rise in budgets during the 1990s, the WHO turned towards the corporate sector for additional funding, and by 2008, corporate donations made up 80% of the organisation’s budget.

According to health researcher Soniah Shah, the role that large drug companies played in shaping global health policy created a serious conflict of interest on the one hand to improve the companies’ public image, but on the other to protect their financial interests. This led to cases like lobbying to weaken patent laws for new drugs in India, and blocking laws in South Africa that attempted to make HIV treatment more accessible.

The serious misallocation of funds by the organization was made most apparent in 2016 when it was found that the WHO spent $200 million a year on travel expenses, not even including those paid for by the host country. Another absolutely damning report issued by the Associated Press, reported that WHO employees working to relieve the Cholera epidemic in Yemen had actually siphoned off the funds for officials. Some of these workers were later not even removed from their jobs.

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation played a large role in promoting Tedros. After their large investments into healthcare programs in Ethiopia which Tedros had facilitated, the foundation was keen to promote similar programs on a global level and donated billions to the WHO towards this end.

The appointment of someone as deeply unqualified as Tedros owes much to the labyrinthine structure of the WHO’s appointment process. The director is selected by the executive board, who are in turn appointed by a rotating minority of the World Health Assembly who are made up of health ministers appointed by world governments. The WHO therefore has the same problem as many other global institutions, that its director is an appointee of an appointee of an appointee of someone who may have been elected legitimately. So by the time you get to the director, the democratic mandate has been so thinly stretched as to be almost meaningless.

The media of course portrayed Tedros as a saintly figure on a moral mission to cure the world of deadly diseases. A twitter campaign slogan ran with “it’s time for an African to lead the WHO”. Indeed, one only wishes it hadn’t been an African in a regime that had spent the last few years killing and resettling more Africans than almost any other.

Some outlets have pointed out that the director general has little power over actual policy in the WHO, this misses the point that the organization is accepted as a global authority on matters of health, and advises world governments. The mismanagement of the WHO through people like Tedros has totally exacerbated the global coronavirus pandemic. Not only did Tedros find every opportunity to praise the CCP’s handling of the crisis even as doctors were being arrested and people welded inside their homes; he also gave completely contradictory advice. First saying that countries should not restrict travel to and from China so as not to be discriminatory, and then chiding them for not doing enough to prepare. The virus was only named a pandemic a few days ago at the time of writing, after infecting 140 countries which is 70 more than it took for Swine flu to be declared a pandemic.

If there was ever an example of the failure of globalised institutions, the WHO is it. I’m not here to say that the organisation has not done any good in the world, but the sheer scale of its mismanagement means that it’s advice should not carry anywhere near the weight that it does. Instead of advising tech companies on how to censor information, it should be radically reformed or simply disbanded.

In a sane world, instead of leading a global organisation, Tedros and his cronies would be put on trial at the International Criminal Court, tried for his crimes, and if found guilty, should spend the rest of his life in prison.
 
Speaking of another vile, disgusting human being:

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I don't always agree with what Trump does or says, but his greatest asset were his accomplishments on the economy, correct? So why would he oversee the lockdown of a good percentage of our economy (which he knows will do a solid number on tanking it) in order to save as many people's lives as possible (or so the overall thought is)?
 
In Ohio where I live.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/g...-coronavirus-outlook-has-improved/ar-BB12oTZa

Ohio Department of Health Director Dr. Amy Acton made waves on Wednesday when she revealed that the state's new modeling shows that its coronavirus (COVID-19) is projected to peak with 1,600 new daily cases, down from the previous projection of 10,000.

Read what you posted again, yes it is good new but no according to that we are nowhere near are peak. IF and I mean IF we are going to get to that number it is a week or two away as we are at 364 new cases a day but hopefully we peak lower than even that. But yes Dr. Acton has said it will be much lower than originally modeled. We listen everyday we can my wife loves they way she does her press conferences.

We are in Ohio as well my daughter is a nurse at UCMC her floor is a all covid19 patience right now. She works the next 3 nights shifts in a row.
 
Amid all of this social distancing and lock downs some ******* stole our propane tank for our grill. They were nice enough to just cut the hose to get the tank. We've lived here since 93' and nothing like this has ever happened. Because Coronavirus.
 
The weird things is depending where you go they are arguing it is way to low and others too high. Worldwide I think it is extremely low compared to reality thanks to China, Russia and Iran. In the US My wifes nursing group feels that based on their view it is too low, I know many on here say we are reporting all deaths as Covid19 but according to many nurses they are seeing a lot of deaths that are not categorized as covid because they were not tested not being reported. So which is it? I think we are possibly relatively close in the US but low. I know TIm and few others won't agree but I think for every death they feel should not be counted there those that were not and should be.

I see both sides of the argument just interesting it is truly going both directions.
I'm talking about here, in the U.S.

I'm sure your wife feels like she has seen too much death, and I'm sure she is correct. But I know that non-corona deaths are being reported as CV-19 deaths. Two states have already been busted for doing it (CA & CT), and others will likely get caught as well before this is over. Governors know that padding the numbers means more national exposure and possibly more federal relief dollars.
 
IF and I mean IF we are going to get to that number it is a week or two away as we are at 364 new cases a day but hopefully we peak lower than even that.

Where do you get your data?? Headline that just came out today:

IMHE Model Now Says U.S. Deaths From Coronavirus Will Peak On Easter Sunday
 
It may not be that fast. The news I have learned from other sources is that it will take at least May to reach its peak. Thermometers are no longer available in stores near me. So I had to order one from the online store, most of them are so expensive. Finally, I was forced to get a 50% discount thermometer from Amazon, which is much more than other temperature plans: https://www.amazon.com/Forehead-Thermometer-Adult-Thermometer-Accurate-Reading-Colored/dp/B086MWMTRF/
code: TMFP0250
Fortunately, my luck is not bad, it is not fake, the measured data is accurate and easy to use.
 
It may not be that fast. The news I have learned from other sources is that it will take at least May to reach its peak. Thermometers are no longer available in stores near me. So I had to order one from the online store, most of them are so expensive. Finally, I was forced to get a 50% discount thermometer from Amazon, which is much more than other temperature plans: https://www.amazon.com/Forehead-Thermometer-Adult-Thermometer-Accurate-Reading-Colored/dp/B086MWMTRF/
code: TMFP0250
Fortunately, my luck is not bad, it is not fake, the measured data is accurate and easy to use.

Thank you Mr thermometer salesman.
 
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Ha! You’re argument is completely devoid of logic, Tim.

The country is practicing social distancing.

The people who know what they are talking about said with social distancing, we can expect 100-240k deaths, without it, the death toll would be much higher.

The death toll looks like it will be lower than 100k.

YOU conclude because it is lower, it obviously didn’t work! So... if it had been between 100-240k, only then would it have worked???

How could it possibly have hurt? And what difference does it make if your kid did or did not practice it with his friends? It didn’t work, right?
The people you say know what they are talking are being proven wrong and adjusting their estimates significantly down by more than half - so far. Starting to feel very global warmish.
 
If you look at the good side of this. It should bring a lot more buisness back home and not as much Made In China. They are not our friends. They've proved it beyond any shadow of doubt. So what if we have to pay a little more vs slave labor wages in China.

I couldn't find a good mask so I'm ordering a full Darth Vader mask&helmet for the grocery store and driving.

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The people you say know what they are talking are being proven wrong and adjusting their estimates significantly down by more than half - so far. Starting to feel very global warmish.

I'm starting to see the real reason for that Chuck.......

U.S.—Teachers at government schools have raised their concerns that the recent closure of their institutions will have a damaging effect on students. In particular, the nation's educators are worried that the longer the schools are closed, the more likely it is that students will begin thinking for themselves, learn life skills away from the government school system, and realize how much more they learn at home.

"We must reopen as soon as possible -- before they regain their ability to have independent thoughts," said New York 4th-grade teacher Ms. Jenny Mudd. "This is an urgent crisis. We realize we have to do our part to prevent the spread of the virus, but we must also prevent the spread of unapproved ideas. There's a balance there."

"Reopen the schools before it is too late."

Sure enough, studies have already shown a strong correlation between everyone being homeschooled and a concerning spike in independent thought. Students who have been away from the government school system for even a week stop feeling depressed and anxious all the time and even show a shocking increase in the ability to form thoughts and ideas not approved by the government.

Teachers have further pointed out that parents aren't properly equipped to indoctrinate their children with government propaganda. "I went to school for eight years to be able to do this," said Portland kindergarten teacher Ms. Pinkerton. "Parents just don't have the experience of stuffing kids' heads full of a statist worldview seven hours a day like I do."
 
This is why arguing with people that don't understand modeling or science is useless. In the first IHME models they plugged the variables in with both high and low projections. That range is not disputable. That means that they used variables for the low end for people following proper procedures perfectly and then the upper end for people not taking it seriously. The models were not wrong based on this variable. It's ignorance of how models work to suggest that the variable was wrong. IT CAN'T BE WRONG. Because the variable is not static. It's a range based on how the virus spreads.

This is not the first Corona virus. There are two other COV viruses that I remember. Both SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV have similar structures and why this virus is linked to bats. SARS, MERS and now SARS-CoV-2 are almost 90% similar and the evidence is overwhelming that it jumped from bats to humans or bats to a transitional animal then to humans.

“Modeling and science”? Uh, you mean research design and analysis?

Variables are by definition uncertain. So what do you mean they can’t be wrong? Replace “variable” with “uncertainty” and read what you wrote and see what sense it makes.

The people who know what they are talking about needed to assume (1) how much of the population would abide by social distancing and (2) how effective social distancing would ultimately be. Are you arguing they knew the exact variability of both? Social distancing is not something that can be easily and objectively measured.
 
Happy Friday:

President Donald Trump’s namesake charitable foundation agreed to cease operations in late 2018 as part of an agreement with New York’s attorney general. In the agreements, Trump admitted to misusing funds from the foundation, which he dissolved last year, including to pay for a portrait himself that cost $10,000. He also agreed to pay back $11,525 he spent on sports memorabilia and champagne at a charity gala.

FEB 26
“And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."
 
Happy Friday:

President Donald Trump’s namesake charitable foundation agreed to cease operations in late 2018 as part of an agreement with New York’s attorney general. In the agreements, Trump admitted to misusing funds from the foundation, which he dissolved last year, including to pay for a portrait himself that cost $10,000. He also agreed to pay back $11,525 he spent on sports memorabilia and champagne at a charity gala.

FEB 26
“And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."

what part of this bolded has anything to do with the thread, elfie?
 
Read what you posted again, yes it is good new but no according to that we are nowhere near are peak. IF and I mean IF we are going to get to that number it is a week or two away as we are at 364 new cases a day but hopefully we peak lower than even that. But yes Dr. Acton has said it will be much lower than originally modeled. We listen everyday we can my wife loves they way she does her press conferences.

We are in Ohio as well my daughter is a nurse at UCMC her floor is a all covid19 patience right now. She works the next 3 nights shifts in a row.

I don't need to read it again. Why don't you read what you asked?

You asked specifically "where do you see the decline?"

I showed you exactly where the decline was.

The daily change in confirmed Ohio coronavirus cases has leveled off or even dipped in recent days.Rich Exner, cleveland.com


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Happy Friday:

President Donald Trump’s namesake charitable foundation agreed to cease operations in late 2018 as part of an agreement with New York’s attorney general. In the agreements, Trump admitted to misusing funds from the foundation, which he dissolved last year, including to pay for a portrait himself that cost $10,000. He also agreed to pay back $11,525 he spent on sports memorabilia and champagne at a charity gala.

FEB 26
“And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."

My uncle owns a blue canoe.
 
“Modeling and science”? Uh, you mean research design and analysis?

Variables are by definition uncertain. So what do you mean they can’t be wrong? Replace “variable” with “uncertainty” and read what you wrote and see what sense it makes.

The people who know what they are talking about needed to assume (1) how much of the population would abide by social distancing and (2) how effective social distancing would ultimately be. Are you arguing they knew the exact variability of both? Social distancing is not something that can be easily and objectively measured.

DUMBASS...he explained how variables are handled and how they run countless models with high and low and middle ranges. Remember, you agreeing, that's why they are called variables??

You continue to harp that "social distancing" is "proven" to have worked while simultaneously saying the social distancing impact variables are uncertain and unmeasurable......

Flogged: "You can't possibly say social distancing didn't have an impact because you can't measure it! But I can tell you it's proven by evidence to have worked!"

You are completely outdoing yourself on the dumbass scale. Epically this time.

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what part of this bolded has anything to do with the thread, elfie?

Still don't know who elfie is, but i'll answer: If a person is willing to scam a charity, imagine what lies they are willing to spin on live television to make themself look better.

Additionally, the Feb 26 quote is another example of Trump downplaying the virus.

Lastly, members of his own administration say Trump is a terrible person. Why won't you believe a person that is that close to him?
 
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