The Coronavirus thread

[Tibs]

Hey Trumpsters, for the love of God please don't listen to your false prophet with regards to COVID-19. We may not agree on politics, there may be some slight animosity between us here on the board, but please don't listen to Trump or Pence right now. Either ignore completely what they're saying, or better yet, do exactly the opposite of what they're telling you. It's downright frightening how ignorant Trump and his team is.

<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the Cult-Leader-In-Chief telling 66 million people to essentially drink Kool-Aid which kills not only them and their family, but every person they contact in their journey on to work as well as those they work with. He must correct this.<br><br> <a href="https://t.co/cIIyg9nacA">pic.twitter.com/cIIyg9nacA</a></p>— Beki Knott (@lotsofuss) <a href="https://twitter.com/lotsofuss/status/1235652087238672385?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>


<samp class="EmbedCode-container"><code class="EmbedCode-code"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Question: Have you considered not having campaign rallies?<br><br>Trump: No I haven’t... We had tens of thousands of people standing outside the arena<br><br>Question: Is there a risk that there’s that many people so close together <br><br>Trump: It doesn’t bother me at all <a href="https://t.co/ZaMc6ayK4e">pic.twitter.com/ZaMc6ayK4e</a></p>— Acyn Torabi (@Acyn) <a href="https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1236053003846615040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 6, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> </code></samp>

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Listen, you sopping wet vaginas. Who's job is it - do you think - to order nationwide screening at US airports of incoming passengers from COVID-19 hotspots, like Milan ******* Italy? Take a wild guess.

Who's responsible for that? Hillary Clinton? Obama? George Soros? Saul Alinsky? Antifa? The MSM? Adam Schiff? Hollywood? Coastal elites? The EU?

Amazing how you become shriveled-up, tiny nutsacks the second Trump and this administration is called upon to simply do their jobs.

Good Lord.

We already are screening passengers from certain countries. But get edumacated. It doesn't do anything. As the article below states. Now go soak your vagina in epsom salts.

Why airport screening won’t stop the spread of coronavirus
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/why-airport-screening-wont-stop-spread-coronavirus

Exit and entry screening may look reassuring, but experience with other diseases shows it’s exceedingly rare for screeners to detect infected passengers. Just last week, eight passengers who later tested positive for COVID-19 arrived in Shanghai from Italy and passed the airport screeners unnoticed, for example. And even if screeners do find the occasional case, it has almost no impact on the course of an outbreak.

“Ultimately, measures aimed at catching infections in travelers will only delay a local epidemic and not prevent it,” says Ben Cowling, an epidemiologist at the University of Hong Kong. He and others say screening is often instituted to show that a government is taking action, even if the impact is marginal.

 

[Steeltime]

Listen, you sopping wet vaginas. Who's job is it - do you think - to order nationwide screening at US airports of incoming passengers from COVID-19 hotspots, like Milan ******* Italy? Take a wild guess.

Who's responsible for that?

Trump ordered such screening to take place and TSA officials failed to do so in that example? Well then, Trump. Personally. He is personally responsible for checking every person exiting every plane in the continental United States, plus Alaska and Hawaii. PERSONALLY.

Feel better?

 

[Tibs]

We already are screening passengers from certain countries. It doesn't do anything.

Look, it doesn't bother me that you choose to prove your ignorance on this topic, that's your deal.

Guess what, many countries are mandating at the minimum two-week self-quarantine for anyone coming in from COVID-19 hot spots such as Italy, Iran, China etc. Anyone travelling back from these afflicted areas are high-risk, even if they're not showing symptoms per se. At the bare minimum, all of these folks should be getting proper testing upon arriving.

To the contrary, we're letting people walk right in at international airports around the country, no screening, no questions asked.

You consider that a smart, reasonable policy? Because Trump is your personal hero & savior? Really?

 

[Steeltime]

Yeah, about that screening thing, Tibs ... can't the infected simply walk into the United States along the southern border? If your answer is "no," why don't you explain that answer.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

 

[Tibs]

Trump ordered such screening to take place and TSA officials failed to do so in that example? Well then, Trump. Personally. He is personally responsible for checking every person exiting every plane in the continental United States, plus Alaska and Hawaii.

I don't think Trump or the Pence 'task force' has ordered such screenings from Italy, like they did with incoming flights from Wuhan, China back in early February. It is a fluid situation, and has been ever since. Not sure Trump or US officials are doing everything needed to handle this. I hope they figure it out sooner than later.

It's being increasingly implemented at airports in Europe, seems rather odd the US hasn't done so.

Coronavirus in Europe: Airport measures for passengers arriving from Italy

Prague airport in the Czech Republic has designated separate gates for all passengers arriving from Italy. Airport employees have been directed to closely monitor passengers arriving from Italy and report any signs of respiratory disease to airport security. Frequent disinfection of arrival gates, buses and other areas handling passengers from Italy are also planned.

Bratislava airport in Slovakia has implemented strict screening measures for passengers arriving from Italy, who are required to fill out a questionnaire to enable officials to identify any suspected cases.

Similar screening measures have been implemented at Marco Polo Airport in Venice, and airports in Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia, Moldova, and Albania for passengers arriving from China and Italy.

Bulgaria has cancelled all flights to Milan, Italy and implemented screening measures at the Sofia airport.

Ryanair has reduced its flights to Italy by 25%, following a spike in cases across the country.

Airports in Italy, which has been witnessing a surge in coronavirus infections, have been screening passengers for temperature and symptoms. Doctors from the Italian Ministry of Health are checking the health of all passengers at Leonardo da Vinci international airport.

Milan Bergamo Airport has been thermal screening passengers since 06 February. Similar Covid-19 checks are in place at Venezia airport and Naples international airport.

 

[Tibs]

Yeah, about that screening thing, Tibs ... can't the infected simply walk into the United States along the southern border? If your answer is "no," why don't you explain that answer. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Mexico has six confimed cases, the US 310. No reported cases in Guatamala, El Salvador, Nicarauga, Panama or Honduras, a single case in Costa Rica. Sounds like Mexico should be building a wall on its northern border to keep the virus from spreading in their country, no?

 

[Smash]

Mexico has six confimed cases, the US 310. Sounds like Mexico should be building a wall on its northern border to keep the virus from spreading in their country, no?

Come on Tibs, you're better than that. Who in their correct thinking is booking flights to Guadalajara instead of San Diego?

 

[ZonaBurgh]

Come on Tibs, you're better than that. Who in their correct thinking is booking flights to Guadalajara instead of San Diego?

Well that, and I guessing 3rd world countries aren't the best at record keeping.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Mexico has six confimed cases, the US 310. No reported cases in Guatamala, El Salvador, Nicarauga, Panama or Honduras, a single case in Costa Rica. Sounds like Mexico should be building a wall on its northern border to keep the virus from spreading in their country, no?

We began screening from China. Why? It was a hot spot.

We weren't screening from Italy. We will be soon. It's now a hot spot.

We aren't screening from Mexico. Why? It's not a hot spot.

God damned funny how you are now all for border security though, is it not?

That wall you live behind is starting to wear on you. In a positive way.

 

[Tibs]

Well that, and I guessing 3rd world countries aren't the best at record keeping.

Interesting you say that, when the richest, most advanced country on the planet is well behind and severly lacking in COVID-19 testing relative to other countries.

Why? So Trump can save face and bullshit his way through it, to lessen the impact on the stock market and try salvage his re-election? The markets see right through it.

I hope our federal agencies - with resources provided by Congress - are able to significantly increase testing around the country, and set reasonable screening policies in place at all airports and points of entry. All that in spite of the constant jibberish coming out of the WH.

 

[IndySteel]

The moon must be causing a heavy flow night in Hungary. Hey Tibs, hit up that hot Costco blonde for some her Tampax stockpile.

 

[43Hitman]

Listen, you sopping wet vaginas. Who's job is it - do you think - to order nationwide screening at US airports of incoming passengers from COVID-19 hotspots, like Milan ******* Italy? Take a wild guess.

Who's responsible for that? Hillary Clinton? Obama? George Soros? Saul Alinsky? Antifa? The MSM? Adam Schiff? Hollywood? Coastal elites? The EU?

Amazing how you become shriveled-up, tiny nutsacks the second Trump and this administration is called upon to simply do their jobs.

So if an employee fails to do their job as mandated and they don't do it properly, that's the employers fault. Talk about mental gymnastics.

 

[Tibs]

So if an employee fails to do their job as mandated and they don't do it properly, that's the employers fault.

Mandated by whom? The Trump admin is well behind the curve on implementing screening at airports, too busy patting themselves on the back for shutting down flights from China first week of February. (which was the right move, btw, back then).

O’Hare Airport Isn’t Screening Travelers From Italy or South Korea, Officials Say
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loc...m-italy-or-south-korea-officials-say/2231733/

 

[deljzc]

Mexico has six confimed cases, the US 310. No reported cases in Guatamala, El Salvador, Nicarauga, Panama or Honduras, a single case in Costa Rica. Sounds like Mexico should be building a wall on its northern border to keep the virus from spreading in their country, no?

If we are having a hard time getting the test kits do you think those countries have them?

 

[jitter77]

Another thing is alot of those countries are smaller and have a lot less airports to screen. I don't understand how screening is supposed to work though when symptoms don't show for days

 

[Smash]

 

[43Hitman]

Mandated by whom? The Trump admin is well behind the curve on implementing screening at airports, too busy patting themselves on the back for shutting down flights from China first week of February. (which was the right move, btw, back then).

O’Hare Airport Isn’t Screening Travelers From Italy or South Korea, Officials Say
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loc...m-italy-or-south-korea-officials-say/2231733/

I could have sworn I heard it somewhere but I can't find it so I may be mistaken. I did find this though and it may explain why we haven't screened people from Italy or South Korea.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/airpo...-covid-19-cases-researchers-suggest-1.4828447

PARIS, FRANCE -- Global screening efforts to prevent the rapid spread of coronavirus are likely to fail, according to new research warning that even best-case screenings of air travellers will miss more than half of infected people.
The novel coronavirus has infected more than 80,000 people worldwide since its emergence in central China last month.
Traveller screening using temperature monitors and questionnaires is a key response measure, yet the World Health Organization (WHO) on Wednesday said for the first time the number of new cases outside mainland China exceeded those within it.
Researchers in the United States and Britain in a study published in the journal eLife used computer models to predict the impact of screening, based on the latest data of how the coronavirus behaves and how long it takes for patients to show symptoms.
Building on similar work in 2015, they found that many cases would inevitably be missed and called for a re-think in how nations screen passengers.
"If someone doesn't realise they have been exposed, and doesn't yet show symptoms, then they are fundamentally undetectable," Katelyn Gostic, a postdoctoral scholar at the University of Chicago and lead author told AFP.
"We estimate that on average, screening will miss about two thirds of infected travellers."
Gostic stressed that these misses were not the result of human error, but rather an inevitable by-product of how the virus behaves.
The WHO says that the typical incubation period -- that is the time between a patient contracting the virus and symptoms showing -- is around 10-14 days.
This means that patients could be contagious without even knowing it, rendering temperature tests searching for a tell-tale fever and even self-reporting of exposure largely useless.
Upon screening, travellers fall into one of four categories: symptomatic but unaware of exposure; aware but asymptomatic; symptomatic and aware; and neither symptomatic nor aware.
Gostic and the team found that the final category were completely undetectable by traditional screening methods, and travellers in the third category could only be caught if they were willing to self report.
'Tipping point'
Even assuming a best-case scenario where only one in 20 passengers were "subclinical" -- that is, infected but not showing symptoms -- the models predicted that 53 per cent of cases would be missed.
"Substantial fractions of the people who have tested positive in quarantine... did not show any detectable symptoms at the time of diagnosis," said Gostic.
"Some of these people may be true subclinical cases. Others will probably develop symptoms in a few days time. Either way, these stories illustrate the difficulty of screening, where the goal is to detect cases as early as possible, but where people simply don't show detectable symptoms early in the course of infection."
Gostic warned that the world may be at a "tipping point" where screening and even the kind of quarantine measures seen in the outbreak's epicentre Wuhan are no longer effective.
"Governments should be thinking about pandemic mitigation," she said.
"But we should recognise the hard work and immense value that on-the-ground containment efforts have brought up until this point—providing time for healthcare workers and policy makers to prepare."



Also from your own article:

O'Hare Airport isn't currently screening travelers arriving from Italy or South Korea for coronavirus, health officials revealed Thursday.
According to IEMA Director General Alicia Tate-Nadeau, only travelers entering O'Hare Airport from China and Iran will be screened. Those returning to the U.S. from Italy and South Korea are being screened prior to their departure from those countries, she noted.
Officials said they are working to determine whether or not additional guidelines will need to be in place for O'Hare Airport as Illinois confirmed its fifth coronavirus case in a man who had recently flew to the airport after traveling to Italy.

 

[Smash]

National Guard risking their lives to assist others and thwart the spread. Yeah this is the Tijuana Brass Air Force.

 

[Smash]

Another thing Tibs, this is a mankind thing, not a Trump is to blame thing. How's about rooting for everybody for once.

 

[43Hitman]

Another thing Tibs, this is a mankind thing, not a Trump is to blame thing. How's about rooting for everybody for once.

He can't do that, its outside of his playbook and he's too stubborn to call an audible and think for himself.

 

[Steelworth]

The infection rate is unnerving, but some food for thought here:

What I'm a bit worried about is it's morbidity rate, the rate at which it debilitates the body, how long it stays in the body, and it's chance for reinfection (people are getting it multiple times). I think that would do a number on even a healthy person's immune system.

 

[43Hitman]

The infection rate is unnerving, but some food for thought here:

What I'm a bit worried about is it's morbidity rate, the rate at which it debilitates the body, how long it stays in the body, and it's chance for reinfection (people are getting it multiple times). I think that would do a number on even a healthy person's immune system.

Me too. that is very concerning. Also I've heard of some cases where its being transferred to their household pets.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

The infection rate is unnerving, but some food for thought here:

What I'm a bit worried about is it's morbidity rate, the rate at which it debilitates the body, how long it stays in the body, and it's chance for reinfection (people are getting it multiple times). I think that would do a number on even a healthy person's immune system.

The Morbidity rate is declining and will decline much further with more testing as we find more mild cases. As I have said somewhere before or heard from someone the flu has vaccines and treatments that lower it morbidity rte compared to Covid. When we have a vaccine and treatment it's morbidity will be close to the flu.

 

[Steelworth]

Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.

I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share this email. Good luck to all of us!

Excellent information, thanks for sharing jitter. I'm just a little confused why he seems to be so sure re: the bolded. And If that's the case, discouraged.