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Texan fan from California visits Pittsburgh..must watch!

Also Minkah came out of college as a high floor guy, NFL ready, smart and with leadership traits.

The guy has talent that you normally won't get picking late in the 1st, even so right now he looks even better than most top 2 safeties of every draft, huge kudos to the Front Office for recognizing the talent and seizing the opportunity.

On the other hand one can't blame the coaches for not developing other drafted players to that level, Edmunds being a bit of a reach and another kind of player, more in the box kind of safety obviously doesn't have the ball skills Minkah does so that can't be taught. Sean Davis was a mismanagement since the beginning caused by injuries on other players forcing the team to move him to slot CB as a rookie, SS as a 2nd year and FS his 3rd, that's not an ideal situation to develop a player

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madinsomniac said:
So up until now it’s been hard for us to develop secondary players... people want to blame drafting, but honestly when you throw that many picks at the secondary as we have and get the results we do, then have free agents and trades walk in and have success, it’s probably more likely the old position coaches not knowing what to teach more so than them not knowing what physical traits they need....

Side note here, I think Bradley has done wonders in his time here, but it’s a hole you have to dig out of.....

MF was a grand slam... the guy was predeveloped and had been asked to learn several positions. His athleticism is elite and best yet he plays the ball rather than the huge hit...
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It was the ex player coaches. I really think a lot of times that will hold a positional group back. We have seen first hand when a great Oline coach and a great WR coach can do to coach players up. An inept coach can have the opposite effect.

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Omar10213245 said:
"Fritz"?
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If you read his post again he started out by saying "Fitz"...then it went to "Fritz " in the last sentence of first paragraph...then it went to "Friz" twice in the last paragraph. lol

By no means mocking you Vader, all in good fun!
 
Stewey said:
If you read his post again he started out by saying "Fitz"...then it went to "Fritz " in the last sentence of first paragraph...then it went to "Friz" twice in the last paragraph. lol

By no means mocking you Vader, all in good fun!
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He was having German movie flashbacks. But what do I know . I know nussssing.

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Steelin said:
He said several times that he knows and trusts that the line is giving the QB hell.
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I know which is why I said: "Another thing the guy does mention" in the very first words you quoted from me.

Stewey said:
If you read his post again he started out by saying "Fitz"...then it went to "Fritz " in the last sentence of first paragraph...then it went to "Friz" twice in the last paragraph. lol

By no means mocking you Vader, all in good fun!
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haha I'm old. Frist, Fitz, Friz... I don't want to spell out his full name and I know everyone knows who I'm talking about. So I'll change them up some.
 
Cope said:
This is a myopic assessment of Minkah's development. The reason why the Dolphins traded Minkah, is because they wanted him to be a box safety. A Patrick Chung if you will. They didn't want him to free lance or change assignments. He got pissed, because it didn't lend to his ability to read and jump plays. Instead the Dolphins did the opposite of what the Steelers did with their safeties. The Dolphins took an incredibly talented and smart sideline to sideline safety, and handcuffed him. The steelers took less talented safeties and tried to make them playmakers.

Minkah is jumping off the page due to Pittsburgh coaching and scheme, because he wasn't developed in Miami. He was shackled.
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Where did you get that? I read that he wanted to stay in one place and that the dolphins were moving him all over the field. He learned 6 different position during the offseason. I've seen this in many stories from the Washington Post to Profootball rumors. I've never heard that the dolphins wanted him to stay in a box.
 
Vader said:
Sword cuts both ways. It was a great video. You have to look at the other side of it as well. The one play where Fitz jumps Kupp (Or whatever his name is for the Rams) when he runs the mesh route. If you look to the right the WRs easily beats Haden because he thinks he has inside help and he doesn't. He scrambles to jump inside and then the WR goes outside and is wide open. The QB never makes his reads. He watches Kupp the entire time. If he comes off of him that's an easy TD. Sometimes the QB is to blame for not going to his 2nd or even 3rd WR. Geoff is no Ben. That's what makes Ben so dangerous. He can move the safety with his eyes and his pump fakes. If Fritz had done that to Ben that is a TD.

Another thing the guy does mention is that Friz can do this because he knows the defense is going to get to the QB. Watt is huge part of what Friz is doing. He should be the DPOY.
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The great DBs anticipate things and take calculated risks based on confidence in the pass rush, the QBs tendencies and other things.

It's what Polamalu did, and it hurt the Steelers from time to time, but if the player has the instincts, it works out way more often than not.

What I love about Fitzpatrick is that he has that special combination of great instincts AND great speed/athleticism that Polamalu and Ed Reed had.

Many decent/solid DBs are great in one area, but merely adequate in the other.
 
Vader said:
I know which is why I said: "Another thing the guy does mention" in the very first words you quoted from me.



haha I'm old. Frist, Fitz, Friz... I don't want to spell out his full name and I know everyone knows who I'm talking about. So I'll change them up some.
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I swear I thought it said doesnt mention... my mistake.
 
Cope said:
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-before-agreeing-to-minkah-fitzpatrick-trade/
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Not sure I'd trust Can't Broadcast Sports. Here is what the Washington post said "Nevertheless, the Dolphins wanted him all over the field and reportedly had him learn six positions during the offseason, including two linebacker slots, and Fitzpatrick wanted no part of either that or Miami’s fairly obvious tank job."

This is from Profootball Rumors: "Fitzpatrick is an undeniably gifted defensive back who has been less than thrilled with the multiple roles he has been asked to fill in Miami’s defense to date. His ability to play as both a slot corner and a roaming safety made him a desirable asset. Through two games this season, the 22-year-old has compiled 12 tackles and one forced fumble."

Here is an entire article from the Miami-Herald. It specifically says the issue was with his multiple roles: https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article235048722.html
 
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