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Many here know way more than I on the quality of players we signed.

I do know we sign and filled nicely so as the draft can be more focused.

Our only lacking was a QB, that argument can go many ways.

I would have to give the Steelers a very strong B ——— B+.

How did we do ?

How did the division do?

I think we did the best in the division and Top 5in the NFL.



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Ravens almost made a huge mistake giving up 2 1sts! would have loved that!

Liked the Steelers got Pittman for next to nothing.

Liked the Dowdle deal but would rather have had KG.

Still think we need guard.

Dont know much about how much savage has left.

until they settle on a long term QB Howard or someone else, the franchise s in limbo.

B?
 
I’ll go a low B on the grade. Only because of the age of Dean. Secondary has a lot of age on it but if we go cornerback in the first or second round of the draft , we move up to an B +grade . At this point , it seems we are going to use a third round pick on a QB. When we do that , we’ll slide up to an A grade.
 
I am less excited than most about the acquisition of Pittman. Is he an upgrade over any of the receivers not named Metcalf? Probably. But that's a low bar. He'll help for sure, but I don't see hm being some earth shattering addition. Plus, who is throwing any of them the football? That is a huge question mark and will make a huge difference in how all of this turns out.

Jamel Dean was a great addition but his age is a factor. Dowdle is ok, nothing great. Solid players all, but no real game breakers.

I'd say C+/B-.
 
I’m already at a B+, with the exception of QB.

Pittman is a Steeler type player, with toughness, work ethic and skill combination that absolutely exceeds last years WR’s. Daniel Jones said Steeler fans are gonna love what Pittman brings.

Dean is probably closer to end than beginning, but has had back to back exceptional years and if JPJ locks up most WR1’s, Dean should do very well against 2’s. Not to mention Samuel Jr. locked up as their 3 on outside and Echols likely slot, Ramsey is, at moment, worst case scenario at FS, with possibly they get a good FS in draft and then Ramsey can contribute all over.

Loved KG, but Dowdle seems to have great vision and can kind of flip flop roles of Warren/Gainwell… Warren can still be an early down back, but will now be the clear 3rd down, 2 minute O, as well, with Dowdle coming in on early downs as a breather. Warren may get a more 2/3 touch split most wanted last season, with more in the passing game. That has the potential to be better than the split he had with KG last year?

So wanted Rats to blow 2 firsts on a 29 year old Crosby that’s never been as much a game wrecker as Watt and is hitting that age/injury point. He’s a poor mans Watt, getting passed his prime. Glad they at least lost their best O line player!
 
I learned on this board, frequented by many knowledgeable nfl panelists, that it is now referred to as the legal hanky panky period.

Pittman and DK are #2 wr's. Pretty good. Doodle is pretty good. Rb output should be about the same as last year. Wr might be slightly better than last year. Coaching should be noticeably better. We have to see.

On defense, didn't Queen lead the league in missed tackles last year? He is MLB. Not a good stat.
 
The top three additions are all solid and better than average players who all fill a need. I’d give Dean an “A” if it wasn’t for the injury concerns. Pittman is a huge addition in the sense that he does many things well and is so much better than anything we put on the field opposite Metcalf last season. He’s not someone that will keep opposing coaches up at night but he’s productive, reliable and can block. Obviously, we need more and it must be addressed day two or with our first pick if one of the top guys fall on day one.

Dowdle has a nice little hesitation in him, looks for the opening with a good burst once the hole develops instead of running straight into the preconceived hole like some of the other guys the Steelers have trotted out there. He’s an adequate receiver as well.

I’d give it A for addressing needs but a B for expected production and talent considering what was available and associated cost.
 
I will give it a solid B! I think adding Pittman was a much needed move that needed to be made.He will help Metcalf much more then the mudhens we had last season. Now draft a young, fast, talented WR in round one to really solidify that group.
I like Uncle Rico at RB and think he will pair up nicely with Warren. Tough runner between the tackles and will be very valuable addition.
Dean will add experience and physicality to the safety position. I like that signing.
We need a starting guard and maybe they draft one preferably in round two. Of course James Daniels is out there and that may be a possibility as well.
So far so good. I hate what they’re doing with Rogers though. Could they not have just given him a deadline of make a decision prior to free agency? You either want to be here or you don’t! I don’t get why they insist on playing games with a very old QB whose skills have diminished. He looked bad against the better teams last season especially that playoff game. I’d move on from him!
 
I will give it a solid B! I think adding Pittman was a much needed move that needed to be made.He will help Metcalf much more then the mudhens we had last season. Now draft a young, fast, talented WR in round one to really solidify that group.
I like Uncle Rico at RB and think he will pair up nicely with Warren. Tough runner between the tackles and will be very valuable addition.
Dean will add experience and physicality to the safety position. I like that signing.
We need a starting guard and maybe they draft one preferably in round two. Of course James Daniels is out there and that may be a possibility as well.
So far so good. I hate what they’re doing with Rogers though. Could they not have just given him a deadline of make a decision prior to free agency? You either want to be here or you don’t! I don’t get why they insist on playing games with a very old QB whose skills have diminished. He looked bad against the better teams last season especially that playoff game. I’d move on from him!
Agreed, move on from Rodgers, but for who?

I think it’s really all about how MM feels about Howard. I guess we get someone like Flacco and let him and Howard duke it out in camp and hopefully eventually Howard is ready to takes over sometime during the season at the latest

The problem with that plan is I bet Rooney wants Rodgers because he can’t accept a rebuilding year
 
W@hat we took out of the “legal Tampering” part of FA.

We still have all of the legal part of FA to go.





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You learn something new everyday! Don’t ever recall that term being used.

That’s like saying “legal stealing” LOL
 
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Agreed, move on from Rodgers, but for who?

I think it’s really all about how MM feels about Howard. I guess we get someone like Flacco and let him and Howard duke it out in camp and hopefully eventually Howard is ready to takes over sometime during the season at the latest

The problem with that plan is I bet Rooney wants Rodgers because he can’t accept a rebuilding year




There can’t really be that much difference in ability between Rodgers & Flacco.

I think Flacco is the tpougher QB at this point in their careers.

I also think Joe brings nearly as much to the table in the mentorship department as well.




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You learn some new everyday! Don’t ever recall that term being used.

That’s like saying “legal stealing” LOL



Stick around, I’m known for my “word-smithing” .





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I am less excited than most about the acquisition of Pittman. Is he an upgrade over any of the receivers not named Metcalf? Probably. But that's a low bar. He'll help for sure, but I don't see hm being some earth shattering addition. Plus, who is throwing any of them the football? That is a huge question mark and will make a huge difference in how all of this turns out.

Jamel Dean was a great addition but his age is a factor. Dowdle is ok, nothing great. Solid players all, but no real game breakers.

I'd say C+/B-.
Who was there in free agency available to throw the ball?
For me they addressed all they could BUT Oline in a very good way:
- dean is a #1 CB being asked to be #2, that's a huge improvement to the group, A grade, price was perfect for age/talent
- Pittman is the possession receiver we've been missing, draft (correctly) a WR early and the unit becomes a force, but the team did need a zone catching target like Pittman is. I didn't like the 20M extension though, so it's a B-.
- Dowdle, more of an everydown RB than Gainwell, which caused our honeybadger (warren) to get a lot more of early down reps when he clearly is a 3rd down specialist. Also comes with very low mileage, that's a A-

In general it's a B+ just because I see a big hole at the left side of the OL, else this was an A start to FA
 
According to Rapoport, Rodgers has “indicated” he will make his decision well before the draft. Take they for what it’s worth.

I’m fine with that, as Avoid Loyd alluded to, there isn’t anyone worth pursuing IMO. If Rodgers goes in another direction, so be it. Draft a QB day two or three and let them battle it out. It’s great to get a little excited this time of year but I don’t think any option this team has is going to make a big difference. Keep building the trenches, get another receiver and safety through the next couple drafts and hope the Steeler football gods enable us to get “that guy” over the next couple years.
 
I’d give it a solid B-
We have 2 solid #2 WR’s now. I truly hope we can get that young exciting stud in the first round. And play him instantly. Let’s hope one of the top WR’s fall.
I think I’m the only one……but I think they should have kept Isaac. 10 million was definitely doable.
I would have made a serious play for a young Coby Bryant from Seattle and then more than likely cut or tried to trade Ramsey if he is that safety option.
I’m fine with Rico. They saved 2 million on salary and I think they needed his type of style if our 3rd round pick is a bust. Gainwell was our MVP and a surprise. I wish him well.
We will get hopefully 2-3 solid years from Dean. I like the signing but in no way would it stop me from drafting a top DB if available.
Resigning Cole for that cheap was a no brainer,and bringing back our punter Johnston I agree with. Waitman had a zillion chances to pin punts inside the 10. And just never seemed to get it done. Inconsistent.
Asante was a good move for 4 million dollars. It could be the diamond in the rough.

No matter what the QB carousel keeps on turning and turning and turning…….we can draft all world WR’s sign 30 million dollar a year WR FA contracts blah,blah ,blah. It all means nothing unless we have a young rising QB to Chuck the pigskin. While the jury is still out….I think they made a big mistake not going for Dart in the draft when we had the chance. I watched quite a few games with Simpson. He is not the answer in the draft. After not going after Dart or Darnold last season,Rodgers was the best option. Will it turn out the same by not going for Willis? Say it ain’t so.
 
It all looked pretty good on paper last offseason as well. I'm certainly more optimistic than I've been in years,but that's on the new staff.
 
Occasional lurker, first time poster, still don’t get that damn yearly NFL calendar. I don’t pay as much attention to professional football as I had in the past but here’s my two cents.

Dowdle - (A-) back to back 1000 yard seasons, not crazy money, good on the Turk. That being said, you have three north-south type backs. Warren can get to the edge but those two are pretty similar in my opinion. (As much as I would’ve loved Walker, you’d have had to been at twenty million to have a punchers chance at prying him away from KC. They are always in it with Mahomes and Reid.)

Pittman: (B) I like the signing, sure handed dude (in a wide receiver room that lacks sure handed dudes,) runs a decent tree, and supposedly, a model teammate. If my memory serves, he can line up outside or as a big slot type which is nice. (What this means for Skroneck? I don’t know. We’ve got a lot of options in that department between TEs, Heyward the second, Wilson and Pittman.) I ball-parked Pittman somewhere between fifteen and twenty-two million (APY.) Twenty and over was a bit of a stretch, would be happier at around seventeen and a half. That being said, it’s an admirable effort, a little on the high side. We’ll see how the cards play out.

Dean: (B-) Occasionally watched him at Auburn and Tampa Bay, I’m meh on this one. At this point, I don’t have enough knowledge. Signing starting caliber free agent DBs is similar to Russian Roulette. You just don’t want to get the bullet.

Savage: (C+) Patch-work move, trying to hodge-podge your way to something serviceable, veteran experience. I really can’t comment any further. I lost track of him after he left the packers.

Samuel Jr: (B-) worthy tire kick, decent depth, I don’t know where he fits. Maybe, there’s some upside after the neck injury. He’s fairly young.

Cameron Johnston: (C+) why the hell not? Let’s have a punt off.
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Call this the revisionist GM section. Hear me out, I think Omar missed a lay-up. There was a golden opportunity and it’s no longer there. You know the old saying, accountants don’t have imaginations. In my experience, it’s pretty accurate, here we go. This is something I was looking at shortly after the end of the season.

Honestly, it’s rebuild time. We need to stop lying to ourselves. Let’s assume that the base defense is a 3-4, hybrid 3-4, bastardized 3-4, whatever. Since the end of the season, I’ve been advocating for a solution in the middle of that d-line. I knew this guy was probably on the block. We’re not certain what Black brings as a long term solution at the nose. Enter T-Sweat, alias Big Sweat, he is a mountain of a man, think three airplane seats or two business class seats. His conditioning needs work. Get him to around 330-340 and allow for some in-depth analysis. Get position coaches to devote some time to his technique in the off-season. This is a full blown Big Snack type operation. Think, put padlocks on the cabinets at around 6:30. He has all the physical tools to get it done. Yes, rostering two NTs is uncommon but this could’ve built depth at basement bargain pricing. The upside was there.

Tenn: Tevondre Sweat
Pitt: 85th Pick & R. Wilson

With the pick, Saleh could’ve used that capital to acquire his first love, Jermaine Johnson. Johnson hadn’t lived up to his potential in NY. Also, he shouldn’t be confused with famed mountain man and Robert Redford character, Jeremiah Johnson. Well, what about Benton? Here’s where it gets interesting, dedicate significant offseason time to moving Benton to DT. Put Heyward on the block. Tampa Bay, if not some other contender who is in need? Let’s use Tampa as a hypothetical example. How about a pick swap, Heyward and a 3rd for their second? Hmm, that’s interesting. What are Jason Lichte’s thoughts on Calijah Kancey? He’s coming off a torn pec. It would’ve been a long shot, but, worth exploring. Now you have a reinforced, young d-line with some real rotational pieces or two seconds. You’ve minimized your cap hit. Even if you had to restructure, take on some dead money to make it work, this would’ve allowed for a more flexible tampering, free agency period and draft. If part one was possible, this would be the hypothetical part two trade…

PITT: 99th pick & Ca. Heyward
TB: ~47th pick

Or

PITT: Heyward, K. Johnson & 99th Pick
TB: Calijah Kancy & 77th Pick
(I would’ve loved this one.)

(Pre-Gainwell signing or post Gainwell, not sure it would matter.)
 
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Rogers loves the drama, the camera, the speculation. He will be a star on daytime soap operas after football. The camera loves him.
 
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That would be A-L-L of your rides !!!!

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