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Tampa. Vs Saints.

Did anyone head the little factoid Joe Buck mentioned when Tom Brady does a QB Sneak of 3rd or 4th & 1 yd to go for a first down his success rate is over 90%. WTF please tell me when we don't have Big Ben QB Sneak more often?

All I know is I saw all four teams playing today successfully execute quarterback sneaks, and two of those guys who performed them are older than Ben.
 
All I know is I saw all four teams playing today successfully execute quarterback sneaks, and two of those guys who performed them are older than Ben.

Mahomes did get hurt and left the game on his QB sneak but you play those odds, especially in the playoffs.
 
Sean Peyton has questions to answer. You have a top running back and up by 7 and he gets two more carries and one was toss weak.
 
Not when it mattered, though. That said, how can the Saints be considered anymore than one of the most overrated teams in the NFL? Four straight years as playoff favorites, four straight first round exits. Jesus Christ, All I hear about year after year after year is Sean Payton, the Saints, and Drew Brees, and how much of a well-oiled machine they are, and how they’re just going to buzz teams, and yet they have produced exactly dick. And we all exclaim thag Mike Tomlin has underperformed?! Seriously, when do the Saints, and Sean Payton get called out for their lackluster results?

I noticed this a couple of years ago -- Tomlin and Payton have had very similar careers. And now they both have old future HOF quarterbacks well past their primes. We'll see which coach comes out ahead on the other side...I'd say the Saints are probably in better shape right now.
 
I noticed this a couple of years ago -- Tomlin and Payton have had very similar careers. And now they both have old future HOF quarterbacks well past their primes. We'll see which coach comes out ahead on the other side...I'd say the Saints are probably in better shape right now.

No doubt Winston could be good, they have good Wrs and Kamara. Not sold on Taysom as a QB though. Defense is not too bad and Oline is solid. They are in much better shape than us
 
Mahomes did get hurt and left the game on his QB sneak but you play those odds, especially in the playoffs.

Mahomes wasn't injured on a QB sneak, it was a rollout option play.
 
the league is long past due shifting back to the run game. It always goes in cycles. Run teams dominate so defenses get big to stop them, the offense get lighter and pass more and then they start to dominate the slow defenses. Defenses get smaller to counter and then offense bulk up to run again. The cycle continues.

But the NFL has kept changing the rules to favor the pass so it has stayed pass heavy for far too long. Now you throw in that teams are barely allowed to hit in practice and it makes running even tougher. College coaches realized that you are better of being a "genius" like Chip Kelly and tricking people rather than being a damn good football coach like Kirk Ferentz. The result is coaches all the way down to pee wee have said screw all that block and tackle ****, i'll just draw up a bunch of gimmick plays to get myself noticed.

The NFL is ripe to be dominated by a strong running team. Look at how many games Tenn has won with a **** defense and a limited QB. Henry isn't even a great RB. He's just a bull running behind a good OL and most teams can't stop him.

I think some coaches are waking up to the fact that all the passing may put up points but it's not winning games. The Chiefs offense is as high powered as can be and most of their games end up close because they don't have much of a run game. Being a dominant pass teams still means winning shootouts. Being a dominant run team often means you choke out your opponent and win comfortably.

I really hope that the league starts tipping back to the run game. I'm getting tired of every offense looking similar in college and NFL.

If the steelers really invested in the OL this offseason and could put together a strong run game coupled with their defense, they could be unstoppable. It would extend Ben's career too. Brees has hung around because the Saints have been a good run team the last few years so he hasn't had to carry them. Rodgers career will likely be extended too with GB becoming a good run team.
 
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I think both Peyton and Tomlin wore out there welcome and shouldn't be a part of the rebuilds.

Unfortunately, Tomlin will be welcomed as long as he chooses. Unless the wheels continue to completely fall off next season like they have at the end of this year. I'm talking a 2-14 or 3-13 kind of horror show. That's the only way he steps down or isn't renewed.
 
If he is renewed im gonna become a very casual fan. I can't watch this ****** idiot anymore.

My dad, a lifelong Steelers fan who introduced me to them in the 1970s, is taking it a step further -- he is refusing to watch them again until there is a coaching change. It's very sad for me, because watching Steelers games is one of the main pastimes which we've shared together for so many years.
 
My dad, a lifelong Steelers fan who introduced me to them in the 1970s, is taking it a step further -- he is refusing to watch them again until there is a coaching change. It's very sad for me, because watching Steelers games is one of the main pastimes which we've shared together for so many years.

That is sad. Maybe the Deuce should know that. But he seems to think the fans opinion is unqualified. They say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and expecting a different result. But maybe watching it is just the definition of a sucker.
 
the league is long past due shifting back to the run game. It always goes in cycles. Run teams dominate so defenses get big to stop them, the offense get lighter and pass more and then they start to dominate the slow defenses. Defenses get smaller to counter and then offense bulk up to run again. The cycle continues.

But the NFL has kept changing the rules to favor the pass so it has stayed pass heavy for far too long. Now you throw in that teams are barely allowed to hit in practice and it makes running even tougher. College coaches realized that you are better of being a "genius" like Chip Kelly and tricking people rather than being a damn good football coach like Kirk Ferentz. The result is coaches all the way down to pee wee have said screw all that block and tackle ****, i'll just draw up a bunch of gimmick plays to get myself noticed.

The NFL is ripe to be dominated by a strong running team. Look at how many games Tenn has won with a **** defense and a limited QB. Henry isn't even a great RB. He's just a bull running behind a good OL and most teams can't stop him.

I think some coaches are waking up to the fact that all the passing may put up points but it's not winning games. The Chiefs offense is as high powered as can be and most of their games end up close because they don't have much of a run game. Being a dominant pass teams still means winning shootouts. Being a dominant run team often means you choke out your opponent and win comfortably.

I really hope that the league starts tipping back to the run game. I'm getting tired of every offense looking similar in college and NFL.

If the steelers really invested in the OL this offseason and could put together a strong run game coupled with their defense, they could be unstoppable. It would extend Ben's career too. Brees has hung around because the Saints have been a good run team the last few years so he hasn't had to carry them. Rodgers career will likely be extended too with GB becoming a good run team.
in just a couple more years, LevMEon Bell is gonna gets paid!!

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Brady has won ONE LESS playoff game thisyrar thanTomlin has won in the last 10 years. Let that bake for a while.
 
******* Saints! You had to beat Marsha. Go Packers!

Everyone runs the QB sneak for a yard or less. It works 9 out of 10 times when I'm watching. Brady has always run them successfully. Ben is 6'-5" and 240+ (probably more like 250+). He should easily be able to run QB sneaks. And, it is extremely rare to see the QB get hurt running a QB sneak. Tomlin is pathetic. There is no other way around this one.
 
Brady has won ONE LESS playoff game thisyrar thanTomlin has won in the last 10 years. Let that bake for a while.

He might be tied next week.
 
******* Saints! You had to beat Marsha. Go Packers!

Everyone runs the QB sneak for a yard or less. It works 9 out of 10 times when I'm watching. Brady has always run them successfully. Ben is 6'-5" and 240+ (probably more like 250+). He should easily be able to run QB sneaks. And, it is extremely rare to see the QB get hurt running a QB sneak. Tomlin is pathetic. There is no other way around this one.

Come-on man........it's not the QB that makes to QB sneak work, it's the road graders in front of him. I watched teams run the sneak multiple times this weekend and it was obvious from the get-go that was gonna be the play and the defenses were generally helpless to stop it. Once you see the TE go in motion and stop behind the QB, everyone knows he is there to push....no doubt. Problem we had was no road grader, no push and a decidedly immobile QB.

In a nut shell

 
Mahomes wasn't injured on a QB sneak, it was a rollout option play.



Beat me to it, Mahomes chose to keep. I wonder how long he will be in cuncussion protocol ?

Can the medium Chiefs beat the HOT Bills ?



Salute the nation
 
Beat me to it, Mahomes chose to keep. I wonder how long he will be in cuncussion protocol ?

Can the medium Chiefs beat the HOT Bills ?



Salute the nation

I was just a matter to time before he got clocked. He runs and runs cocky (like faking like he is going out of bounds than not). I'm surprised Henne got up too. He got crunched on that long third down run.
 
Come-on man........it's not the QB that makes to QB sneak work, it's the road graders in front of him. I watched teams run the sneak multiple times this weekend and it was obvious from the get-go that was gonna be the play and the defenses were generally helpless to stop it. Once you see the TE go in motion and stop behind the QB, everyone knows he is there to push....no doubt. Problem we had was no road grader, no push and a decidedly immobile QB.

In a nut shell



No **** but Tomlin has been afraid to run it since he came here. That's the problem every Steelers fan knows about. QB sneaks are easy. Put a RB and FB behind him and they can help push him over. It works almost every time when its a yard and especially less.
 
I notice not one sports media write up on Bree's interception and none were tipped balls. No taking jabs at his crying on the sideline way before game over. No mention he should retire, to old. I guess they did not watch the game and see all this as Ben was taken over the coals for days.
 
I notice not one sports media write up on Bree's interception and none were tipped balls. No taking jabs at his crying on the sideline way before game over. No mention he should retire, to old. I guess they did not watch the game and see all this as Ben was taken over the coals for days.

Exactly, Brees did not impress at all. Some of his passes looked like Duck Hodges, soft floaters and skipping stones. In the second half I'm thinking this is his last game. In fairness he could still be suffering from mid season injuries but it seemed evident Ben was dealing with the same. The difference in media treatment is pathetic and it's been that way with Ben since we know when.
 
I was just a matter to time before he got clocked. He runs and runs cocky (like faking like he is going out of bounds than not). I'm surprised Henne got up too. He got crunched on that long third down run.

He is young he will learn to be safer running it. Lucky for him is that his arm is special and he can rely on that as his scrambling ability fades in time.
 
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