how many sure fire talents flame out in the NFL? How many get hurt and severely diminish their skill level?
No way in hell do I trade my entire draft for a single draft pick.
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how many sure fire talents flame out in the NFL? How many get hurt and severely diminish their skill level?
No way in hell do I trade my entire draft for a single draft pick.
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Again:
-You'd rather go through another decade like '80s again without a QB just to make 7 picks that might not pan out either?
-What is a good draft going to do for us if we don't have a QB? Get us closer to 8-8?
Without a 'chise QB that draft is basically worthless to any team whose sole aspiration is a Lombardi.
which part of No Player is worth an entire draft is unclear?
not every super bowl is won by a fanchise qb....hell O'Donnell got us there and Kordell damn near did...
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My whole point of this thread is that we are pretty solid right now across all positions. Zack is thinking like me, we have only had success to contend for the super bowl with two franchise quarterbacks. Terry and Ben, other than that it was **** when we had great defenses in the 80's. If you don't have a franchise qb, you have no chance.
Nick Foles is a Super Bowl winning qb....Nick ******* Foles
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Just restating your opinion doesn't do anything to address the issues I'm raising with it. This draft you're so keen on protecting could effectively hurt our chances at a ring post-Ben.
This is head-in-the-sand talk. In 54 Super Bowls there have only been a handful of them won without a franchise QB.
List:
https://www.docsports.com/current/super-bowl-winning-quarterbacks.html
And he won because of impeccable coaching and scheme. Good thing we have that in droves. lol
This is how people that ride the short bus think...
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Trevor Lawrence is a good QB. He's above average but not worth our entire draft.
This upcoming draft is going to be QB rich. I'm not going to put all the names here (do the research) but I would wager that there are at least 5 coming out this year and we'll find Benjamin's true successor...
P.S. there are at least two SEC QB's that are on my radar.
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My opinion is no player is worth an entire draft....yours is it is worth the gamble just in case Lawrence turns out to be for real.
so you give up all your picks and he does play well. you then lose JuJu and Dupree you may have replacements for them but what of the OL? Lots of good quality players are chosen in the later rounds
your posts also seem to imply that you HAVE to get the #1 overall pick to get a franchise qb...this is also inaccurate
I would like to find Ben's replacement, but I am not giving up an entire draft for Lawrence or anyone else
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It doesn't matter what opinions we have as fans. I'm certain once someone from the FO sees the brilliance in this thread , it's just about a guarantee that they go full Ditka and toss the entire draft for Lawrence. I hope they have their cigars ready for a victory strut right out of the room.
Mitch trabinsky went #2 overall while Mahomes dropped to 10th
Ben was the third QB selected in the draft...
Draft experts made the case that Leaf was better than Manning
Brady was a sixth round pick
Russel wilson was the 75th player selected
There are more top qb picks that never lived up to the hype than ones that went on to be franchise studs.... trading everything for one is absurd...
Yes more are found in the first round but then again teams draft anyone they thing remotely has a shot of being one cause they are that important... but if you are willing to develop a guy you certainly can find one elsewhere In the draft...
Ben was the third QB selected in the draft...
Draft experts made the case that Leaf was better than Manning
Brady was a sixth round pick
Russel wilson was the 75th player selected
There are more top qb picks that never lived up to the hype than ones that went on to be franchise studs.... trading everything for one is absurd...
Yes more are found in the first round but then again teams draft anyone they thing remotely has a shot of being one cause they are that important... but if you are willing to develop a guy you certainly can find one elsewhere In the draft...
Ricky Williams would disagree...
I personally wouldn't be against giving up our draft for a once in a decade QB. But that's just me. and Coach....
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Almost offended that Coach is more of a person to you than I am.
Sure all those other QBs could be our next franchise guy--that's not what we're talking about. The argument is if the Steelers think Lawrence will be a HoF QB, should they pull a Ditka to move up to #1? Say you have some cosmic way of guaranteeing that he will be as advertised, are you all really saying no to that? That's ludicrous, imo.
the pothead was not worth what Ditka gave up for him
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The argument was only should the Steelers give up their entire draft for Lawrence....not that you have some kind of guarantee that he would become a HOFer
As far as I remember, the Steelers have chosen 3 qbs in the 1st round. Bradshaw, Malone and Big Ben....only Bradshaw was the #1 overall pick. So as far as first round QBs go, they have a 66% success rate on getting HOF QBs.
Still, how much better than the other QBs who will be available is Lawrence? Is it worth giving up the next Hines Ward or Le'Veon Bell or any other great Steeler player selected after the first round?
Is Lawrence that much better than Fields or Trask or Lance or Mason or Wilson or Jones or any of the others who will be available that could be gotten later and for less of a cost than your entire draft?
From many accounts, Andrew Luck was a can't miss talent....how many rings does he have? When will he get into the HOF??
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He was drunk while he posted this. I think
Both it seems
No way in hell I’m giving up picks for one player
So lets say we rewind time and go back to 2017 and you can trade up to get mahomes instead of KC getting him but you trade your whole Draft to do it.... you give up TJ, Juju, Conner, sutton... are we really at 10-0 with mahomes instead of all those players? Mahomes is almost assuredly a future hof qb, and would i trade TJ for him straight up, most definitely.... but a whole draft is a lot of chances to get gamechangers, and honestly if we trade up that year, we probably end up with the higher rated Trabinski... who is no mahomes....
Well we did have Mike Tomzak and the " Schenley Park Kid " at the same time.....so there's that.
While not exactly multi generational, 2nd round pick Terry Hanratty backed up Bradshaw for 6 years ...maybe honorable mention ?
He wasn't exactly a slug....
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My only argument against giving up your whole draft is next year we have a lot of FAs leaving the team. We have to fill them with someone, and the draft is the cheapest way to do it.
if you keep repeating stuff I've posted people might start to think you are knowledgeable about this stuff