Steelers Way-too-early 7-Round Mock Draft 1.0

[Drink IRON City]

if Oliver goes #1 overall I might just ban him permanently

WhoALy **** and here would be the IRONIC part. We trade BELL and get a high #1, we pair that with our 32nd 1rst round pick and trade to some lowlife team and get their #1 overall and take OLIVER !!!!!!!!! If that happened, Coolie amongst others would have sticky stuff in their jeans.....................A-N-D our "new" thread count would drop dramatically






Salute the nation

 

[Omar10213245]

What about that Robert Boucher Jr. out of South Central Louisiana State University? Could be there 12-20?


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damn solid pick any way ya slice it

 

[Ike Kelly]

You don't see well. I have two full seasons of data, plus two games this year. And let's not pretend that Houston plays in a tough conference. They don't. Many guys in the SEC, Big Ten, or ACC have far more sacks as an interior defensive lineman. I am saying point blank, he's small for a nose tackle, and not a sack man at all.

I put in a few other facts in the above post. You can read them. Whether you comprehend them or not, I can't say.

Hahahaha.......YOU have two full seasons of data!? I call BS.....you have data from published sources. You wouldn’t know how to collate and evaluate a player if Bill Nunn himself showed you how.

Better prepare for your vacation.....because it’s well deserved.


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[slashsteel]

if Oliver goes #1 overall I might just ban him permanently

 

[slashsteel]

Hahahaha.......YOU have two full seasons of data!? I call BS.....you have data from published sources. You wouldn’t know how to collate and evaluate a player if Bill Nunn himself showed you how.

Better prepare for your vacation.....because it’s well deserved.


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I think he should take that time to start actually watching games, for once.

Instead of thinking stats and speed always lead to success.

coach if you have difficulty handling the remote let us know. We will talk you through it.

 

[Coach]

and you have never seen him play

HE has two sacks against Baker Mayfield and Lamar Jackson, and the Cougars have a good record against Power 5 schools.

The American conference doesn't have the top end schools like Alabama, but the bulk of the conference is good enough to be competitive in any conference. Give UH the cash that the Power 5 schools get and they could compete at the highest level.

Please find me a nose guard with more sacks or more tackles for loss in the last two seasons.

There is a reason he is the ONLY player EVER to win the Outland Trophy as a sophomore

Again, watch the kid play and you will see how disruptive he is. If he had gone to one of the top schools that recruited him, he would be just as disruptive. The kid is very quick, has great feet and never quits on a play. He chases the ball carrier side line to side line and more than once has caught a QB or RB down the field and knocked the ball loose from behind.

Once again, he's not always playing NT. Houston has 4-3, nickel and dime too, all of which have FOUR man lines. When the other team is down team they are passing, and Houston isn't only playing 3-4.

Yes, I have seen him play, not on a regular basis like you. He's too small to be NT in the NFL...I can't find one below 300 pounds that starts. Add 20 pounds on his frame and he'll be slower with less stamina.

I agree he's quick with good effort. A 4-3 "three-technique " type of defensive tackle. I just find his ability to get to the quarterback to be underwhelming in a weak football conference. Their centers or guards he beats wouldn't start in most football conferences, and would be a near quantum leap away from NFL center and guards. You'd have to admit that.

His work out numbers and measurables will be important. Is he really 6'3" tall, or is that a Houston type of measurement? If he's got 32" or less arms, or can't bench well for his size, he could be a gap shooting type only vs NFL talent.

Where he needs to improve: The two major concerns are the lack of ideal size (that school listing of 6-foot-3 appears quite generous) and polish as a pass rusher. The lack of size doesn't show up very often, but there are occasions where interior offensive linemen lock him up and control him at the point of attack. As a pass rusher, he wins plenty of battles with pure quickness and effort, but he needs to continue to develop a game plan to combat the better competition he'll face at the next level. He suffered a knee injury in the Temple game I studied, and he was limited in the following four games. However, I don't have concerns about his durability.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...liver-houston-dt-has-aaron-donaldlike-promise

 

[Coach]

Hahahaha.......YOU have two full seasons of data!? I call BS.....you have data from published sources. You wouldn’t know how to collate and evaluate a player if Bill Nunn himself showed you how.

Better prepare for your vacation.....because it’s well deserved.


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So says our biggest glass house type on the board. Where are your evaluations? Oh right you make none. How's your arm chair these days? Yes, I have a lot of data. We know you just can't stand the math of football.

 

[Coach]

Coach, I love your post, and thanks for the draft opinion, I know it took time.

Though with Oliver, you can't **** on him when he's setting a new standard for what it means to be an interior linemen in college football. You should realize, it doesn't matter where they play, great players can come from any team in any place. Jarvis was an SEC player with wicked stats, and he sucked balls in the NFL, so you should know that college locations doesn't equate to NFL success.

Oh I knew Jarvis sucked. The Steelers took a while to figure that out. I'm not saying Oliver suck, I'm saying he's not going to be a good pass rusher in the NFL.

 

[Ike Kelly]

So says our biggest glass house type on the board. Where are your evaluations? Oh right you make none. How's your arm chair these days? Yes, I have a lot of data. We know you just can't stand the math of football.

Coach, this is where we agree to disagree. I don’t evaluate like Cope, or Del, or TMC in the past, because I don’t have the time. I don’t opine fact just because I think so, but rather because it’s documented. I can make educated observations because I know the game, understand the different philosophies on how to approach playing the game. Because I am a fan of the game. My opinions are my own. I don’t expect anyone to accept/refute them. That’s their choice. But I try to make sure mine are based on documented observations or my own research.

You on the other hand have no informed opinion. Just a statement which you say is fact based on your interpretation of statistics. You also use other evaluators musings and cite them as your own. Which in the legal world would be grounds for plagiarizing. Therefore you are not the most reliable source of truth.

While you do bring on some instances insightful commentary, the majority of your statements are to justify your “evaluations” and if it doesn’t hold water, you will categorically deny, or ignore any challenge to it. Typical of agenda based statements.

You have an opinion......that’s it. There is nothing special about it. Until you have the notion to publish or document your observations publicly, it’s just YOUR opinion. It doesn’t mean you think you are right, or wrong. It’s just like the majority of your useless BS threads you throw on the wall...hoping something sticks, so you can idolize yourself in front of the board.

It will be wonderful that when Coolie wins his bet, your absence will give the board a respite of your BS.



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[deljzc]

I think by the time January rolls around, offense is going to be a bigger need than many here think now in September.

We've been loading the defensive refridgerator with talent the last 5 years, the offense needs some youth and love if we want to help out Roethlisberger as his talents dwindle.

 

[ianv2012]

Once again, he's not always playing NT. Houston has 4-3, nickel and dime too, all of which have FOUR man lines. When the other team is down team they are passing, and Houston isn't only playing 3-4.

Yes, I have seen him play, not on a regular basis like you. He's too small to be NT in the NFL...I can't find one below 300 pounds that starts. Add 20 pounds on his frame and he'll be slower with less stamina.

I agree he's quick with good effort. A 4-3 "three-technique " type of defensive tackle. I just find his ability to get to the quarterback to be underwhelming in a weak football conference. Their centers or guards he beats wouldn't start in most football conferences, and would be a near quantum leap away from NFL center and guards. You'd have to admit that.

His work out numbers and measurables will be important. Is he really 6'3" tall, or is that a Houston type of measurement? If he's got 32" or less arms, or can't bench well for his size, he could be a gap shooting type only vs NFL talent.



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...liver-houston-dt-has-aaron-donaldlike-promise

Proof, you have no evaluation ability of your own, but only parrot what you read as if it came from your brain, this is why you're a running joke

 

[CoolieMan]

Once again, he's not always playing NT. Houston has 4-3, nickel and dime too, all of which have FOUR man lines. When the other team is down team they are passing, and Houston isn't only playing 3-4.

Yes, I have seen him play, not on a regular basis like you. He's too small to be NT in the NFL...I can't find one below 300 pounds that starts. Add 20 pounds on his frame and he'll be slower with less stamina.

I agree he's quick with good effort. A 4-3 "three-technique " type of defensive tackle. I just find his ability to get to the quarterback to be underwhelming in a weak football conference. Their centers or guards he beats wouldn't start in most football conferences, and would be a near quantum leap away from NFL center and guards. You'd have to admit that.

His work out numbers and measurables will be important. Is he really 6'3" tall, or is that a Houston type of measurement? If he's got 32" or less arms, or can't bench well for his size, he could be a gap shooting type only vs NFL talent.



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...liver-houston-dt-has-aaron-donaldlike-promise

so you found someone else's evaluation and reworded part of it to claim as your own. What game did you see him play?

there are plays where Oliver has been the only down lineman on the field and he still busts up the play.

 

[Coach]

so you found someone else's evaluation and reworded part of it to claim as your own. What game did you see him play?

there are plays where Oliver has been the only down lineman on the field and he still busts up the play.

Who the heck are you to tell me what I do and do not watch? He's a good gap shooter with agility, beating guys who play in a weak conference.

By the way, three games played, no sacks for Mr. Oliver. My point is he's not a PASS Rusher. He might have some issues vs the run in the NFL too, and yes I have seen him play.

My guess is that stings you almost as much as a loss where Houston gave up 63 points.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/4039303/ed-oliver

 

[Coach]

Coach, this is where we agree to disagree. I don’t evaluate like Cope, or Del, or TMC in the past, because I don’t have the time. I don’t opine fact just because I think so, but rather because it’s documented. I can make educated observations because I know the game, understand the different philosophies on how to approach playing the game. Because I am a fan of the game. My opinions are my own. I don’t expect anyone to accept/refute them. That’s their choice. But I try to make sure mine are based on documented observations or my own research.

You on the other hand have no informed opinion. Just a statement which you say is fact based on your interpretation of statistics. You also use other evaluators musings and cite them as your own. Which in the legal world would be grounds for plagiarizing. Therefore you are not the most reliable source of truth.

While you do bring on some instances insightful commentary, the majority of your statements are to justify your “evaluations” and if it doesn’t hold water, you will categorically deny, or ignore any challenge to it. Typical of agenda based statements.

You have an opinion......that’s it. There is nothing special about it. Until you have the notion to publish or document your observations publicly, it’s just YOUR opinion. It doesn’t mean you think you are right, or wrong. It’s just like the majority of your useless BS threads you throw on the wall...hoping something sticks, so you can idolize yourself in front of the board.

It will be wonderful that when Coolie wins his bet, your absence will give the board a respite of your BS.



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A few things

1. Coolie never agreed to my terms. He wanted an injury clause. I asked him to return my terms via PM, he balked.

2. You post enough here to have the time to talk about evaluations for Steelers or other players. You're just a glass house type who throws stones.

3. My evaluation formulates my opinions, not who I like or dislike. I might pile on a bit on a bad player, but this is a message board. If I had a John Madden-like screen with the ability too pick out player via an overhead view, have mercy as there would be no quarter. I choose to use data, because it backs up what I say.

4. The chances of Oliver being a Steeler are very slim. Coolie likes to pimp his own, fine, but when I tell him that 7th round pick wasn't very good and he disagrees, Im not the one who looks bad.

5. This you don't watch is BS. I watch plenty

 

[Coach]

Proof, you have no evaluation ability of your own, but only parrot what you read as if it came from your brain, this is why you're a running joke

My points are spot on. The above words are my own. I think he's under sized, isn't a pass rush, and will need to work out well. I don't recall you name here. Now I see you're a rookie. They come and go. Hope you stay.

 

[slashsteel]

A few things

1. Coolie never agreed to my terms. He wanted an injury clause. I asked him to return my terms via PM, he balked.

2. You post enough here to have the time to talk about evaluations for Steelers or other players. You're just a glass house type who throws stones.

3. My evaluation formulates my opinions, not who I like or dislike. I might pile on a bit on a bad player, but this is a message board. If I had a John Madden-like screen with the ability too pick out player via an overhead view, have mercy as there would be no quarter. I choose to use data, because it backs up what I say.

4. The chances of Oliver being a Steeler are very slim. Coolie likes to pimp his own, fine, but when I tell him that 7th round pick wasn't very good and he disagrees, Im not the one who looks bad.

5. This you don't watch is BS. I watch plenty

1 You are locked into the bet. It doesn't matter if you try to weasel out.Try to soak that in,although grasping anything isn't your strong suit.

2 People wouldn't throw so many stones if you weren't a no game watching plagiarizer. Saying you watch a game is too vague to be believable. Especially with a history of not watching games.

3 You form your evals off of other peoples evals. PFF, Jim Wexell, etc. Most people are aware of this.

4 Coolie and everyone knows Oliver will be gone come our pick Sherlock. L O L on anyone being surprised on what happens with a 7th round pick. Yeah you are the one who looks bad.

5, All supportive debates from you come from stats, now what you saw. You can say you watch this and that, but until you point to what you saw over what you read you will be viewed as not watching ****.

Try to grasp the facts as they are presented.

 

[Ike Kelly]

A few things

1. Coolie never agreed to my terms. He wanted an injury clause. I asked him to return my terms via PM, he balked.

2. You post enough here to have the time to talk about evaluations for Steelers or other players. You're just a glass house type who throws stones.

3. My evaluation formulates my opinions, not who I like or dislike. I might pile on a bit on a bad player, but this is a message board. If I had a John Madden-like screen with the ability too pick out player via an overhead view, have mercy as there would be no quarter. I choose to use data, because it backs up what I say.

4. The chances of Oliver being a Steeler are very slim. Coolie likes to pimp his own, fine, but when I tell him that 7th round pick wasn't very good and he disagrees, Im not the one who looks bad.

5. This you don't watch is BS. I watch plenty

Such a narcissistic tool.

1. You only see what you want, not what it actually is. Here is the convo where Coolie takes your bet...

Just a bit of fun and pressing his buttons. That's all.

Coolie knows I'm right, as Oliver will not be a top 10 pick in the NFL 2019 draft. Being a huge Houston supporter, who at one time said what the heck let's wager on it, I thought he'd take the deal.

Apparently, his signature is too valuable for him. I'll settle for custom Avatar rights for two months if he agrees and stop posting for a month if he wins. I suspect he won't, so it will be an I told you so type of moment if I care to remember in 2019.

So an injury that sidelines him two game means you get an out? Seriously, Coolie, you don't want this wager!

But just to give you one more chance if he misses more than two games to injuries ( Bowl games do not count if he opts to sit out ) there is NO winner or loser. Re-read that twice.

If he misses less than three games, and goes in the top ten of the 2019 draft, you win ( slim chance ) but if misses less than 3 games but goes outside the top ten in the 2019 draft I win. ( As expected )

I've made several concessions for you here. If you're serious here's the chance to show the board.

the only concession you've made is eliminating the season ending injury, so stop acting like you are bending over backward for this

I'll take the bet....

So Coolie took your bet, but since Oliver has been getting national attention and most if not all prognosticators predicting him as a top draft pick you are walking back like a punk who lost his yes men.

Trying change the narrative of the post (you do this frequently when you cant support something) about Oliver having no chance in becoming a Steeler, has nothing to do with the bet. So quit kidding yourself.



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[CoolieMan]

Who the heck are you to tell me what I do and do not watch? He's a good gap shooter with agility, beating guys who play in a weak conference.

By the way, three games played, no sacks for Mr. Oliver. My point is he's not a PASS Rusher. He might have some issues vs the run in the NFL too, and yes I have seen him play.

My guess is that stings you almost as much as a loss where Houston gave up 63 points.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/4039303/ed-oliver

I'm the guy who knows you are full of ****

Yes yesterdays loss sucked Their starting safety went down on the first series and their back up sucked ***...The problem at UH is they have some quality starters but lack good depth, like most non Power 5 schools. Tech up tempo offense wore them down and they faded in the 4th quarter....

Tech threw almost entirely quick passes to counter any push Oliver and the others might have been able to get. Their scheme worked well and wore Oliver down and he was chasing those quick outside passes all day.

 

[CoolieMan]

A few things

1. Coolie never agreed to my terms. He wanted an injury clause. I asked him to return my terms via PM, he balked.

2. You post enough here to have the time to talk about evaluations for Steelers or other players. You're just a glass house type who throws stones.

3. My evaluation formulates my opinions, not who I like or dislike. I might pile on a bit on a bad player, but this is a message board. If I had a John Madden-like screen with the ability too pick out player via an overhead view, have mercy as there would be no quarter. I choose to use data, because it backs up what I say.

4. The chances of Oliver being a Steeler are very slim. Coolie likes to pimp his own, fine, but when I tell him that 7th round pick wasn't very good and he disagrees, Im not the one who looks bad.

5. This you don't watch is BS. I watch plenty

Post #58 in the thread linked in my signature shows I accepted your bet....

oh and why does OLiver have no shot at being a Steeler...yeah he is going too high in the draft

Injuries in camp hampered Ayers shot here....and I said all along he was a long shot to make the team...

 

[Coach]

Post #58 in the thread linked in my signature shows I accepted your bet....

oh and why does OLiver have no shot at being a Steeler...yeah he is going too high in the draft

Injuries in camp hampered Ayers shot here....and I said all along he was a long shot to make the team...

I have sent you a PM so I have a record for the Ed Oliver bet.. Accept by replying back to it and we are on.

 

[slashsteel]

I have sent you a PM so I have a record for the Ed Oliver bet.. Accept by replying back to it and we are on.

He accepted the bet and it is documented. However you twisted it in your PM has no significance. The bet is as it is. It is on regardless if you like it or not. lulz

 

[ianv2012]

My points are spot on. The above words are my own. I think he's under sized, isn't a pass rush, and will need to work out well. I don't recall you name here. Now I see you're a rookie. They come and go. Hope you stay.

Lol

Self back patting, claiming how right he was as much as possible, and acting as if his opinions are his own, classic coach.

Only shows rookie on my profile, been around this board since about 2008, didn't post much. Mostly read the conversations back in the day. But sure, keep thinking those tabs under your profile name give you some semblance of credibility.......pssst......it doesn't, you're still a joke.

 

[Ike Kelly]

A few things

1. Coolie never agreed to my terms. He wanted an injury clause. I asked him to return my terms via PM, he balked.

2. You post enough here to have the time to talk about evaluations for Steelers or other players. You're just a glass house type who throws stones.

3. My evaluation formulates my opinions, not who I like or dislike. I might pile on a bit on a bad player, but this is a message board. If I had a John Madden-like screen with the ability too pick out player via an overhead view, have mercy as there would be no quarter. I choose to use data, because it backs up what I say.

4. The chances of Oliver being a Steeler are very slim. Coolie likes to pimp his own, fine, but when I tell him that 7th round pick wasn't very good and he disagrees, Im not the one who looks bad.

5. This you don't watch is BS. I watch plenty

I’ve already commented on 1 & 5 as have others. In regards to your 2, 3, 5 BS...

2. Sure I post regularly, I like what Justin has done to the site, he’s increased its platform and it’s not owned by the NFL or media conglomerate. So the board is free to speak its mind. As a contributor to this site, I want it to be the best fan site available and Justin is doing a great job. Since you don’t contribute, you water down the content with BS threads created only to massage your ego, not to provide insightful discussion.

3. Read this slowly, and it’s nothing personal.

I don’t kid myself (like you do) to think I am a qualified evaluator who puts in the time and effort to objectively research individuals or schemes. I don’t have the time to undertake such tasks. Nor do I have to explain why I don’t.

You on the other hand believe you have a entitlement that people should respect you on “your” purported evaluations. You have no credibility...at all. You may like to think you have the acumen to comment like TMC did, or how Del and Cope (and a couple others) provide their findings. They SHOW the work they put in, documenting what they’ve seen. Not like you who reviews YouTube highlights and reads proprietary stat mags, and plagiarize their findings as your research.

5. You have not one published work where you have documented your reviews or evaluations. Only opinions to previously listed work and/or statistics. Show us otherwise, maybe you would get some credit from the masses on the board.


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[CoolieMan]

I have sent you a PM so I have a record for the Ed Oliver bet.. Accept by replying back to it and we are on.

proof of bet is in the link in my signature

post #58 you spell out the terms in my quote of your post....I accepted in my comments. I am not doing any thing in PMs, this is a public bet so all can see the terms and there is no way to disagree

 

[Coach]

proof of bet is in the link in my signature

post #58 you spell out the terms in my quote of your post....I accepted in my comments. I am not doing any thing in PMs, this is a public bet so all can see the terms and there is no way to disagree

I sent you a PM to go over all details.