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Steelers rookie camp notes

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http://www.steelers.com/news/articl...minicamp/a28a06ff-09ef-4657-8690-1f42f8d78046
The #1 and #2 interception guys in College last year showing up first 7-on-7.


The first workout was on Friday morning, and it was mind-numbingly basic. But still, during the first seven-on-seven of the weekend, two defensive players got their hands on the football: Senquez Golson broke on one pass and batted it down, and Gerod Holliman tracked an errant deep pass and made an over-the-shoulder interception.

* Again, I understand how early it still is and that the pads aren’t on yet and the physical aspects of the sport haven’t been introduced, but I have watched a lot of training camp practices and regular season practices where Steelers defensive backs didn’t get hands on two passes in an entire practice, let alone during a single seven-on-seven drill.




* It’s always interesting to look over the group of undrafted rookies signed by the Steelers, and only partly because there always seem to be a few of them with interesting stories in their past. But the real reason for not immediately kissing these guys off as nothing more than cannon fodder is the Steelers’ history of giving them real opportunities to make the roster and then make an impact.

* Since 2001, here is a partial list of some of the Steelers’ notable undrafted rookies: Chris Hoke, Keydrick Vincent, James Harrison, Willie Parker, Nate Washington, Greg Warren, Anthony Madison, Darnell Stapleton, Patrick Bailey, Doug Legursky, Ramon Foster, Isaac Redman, and Robert Golden.

* From the 2015 group, here are a few names to remember while sitting on a hillside during another steamy afternoon at Saint Vincent College: Cameron Clear is a 6-foot-5, 277-pound tight end from Texas A&M, who has the look of a guy who might be able to develop into a tight end capable of handling himself on an NFL line of scrimmage; and Miles Dieffenbach, Reese Dismukes, and B.J. Finney all are interior offensive linemen who could have been draft picks.

* Dieffenbach was a full-time starter at guard until he tore his ACL in March 2014, and it was the lingering aftermath of the injury that dropped him from being a Saturday afternoon draft pick to the status of rookie free agent. Dismukes had 50 starts at Auburn and was a two-time team captain, and maybe he wasn’t drafted for some of the same reasons Legursky wasn’t – a bit on the smallish side to handle the Haloti Ngatas of the world who will be lining up on his nose in the NFL. Finney started all 39 games at center from 2012-14 and was a three-time team captain at Kansas State.

* While it seems as though Clear will have a difficult path to a roster spot, what with Heath Miller, Matt Spaeth, Rob Blanchflower, and rookie Jesse James in front of him, the three interior offensive linemen seem to have a more friendly depth chart working in their favor.

* Besides starters Maurkice Pouncey, Ramon Foster, and David DeCastro, the returning interior offensive linemen include just Cody Wallace and Chris Hubbard.

* Speaking of DeCastro, I saw him walking outside the Steelers locker room yesterday along with a teammate who is noticeably bigger in every way. It was Alejandro Villanueva.

* On most Thursdays between now and the end of the offseason program, offensive line coach Mike Munchak has enlisted former Steelers Pro Bowl tackle Tunch Ilkin to work with his guys on refining the use of their hands. In a legal way, that is, by punching pass rushers in the chest. Back in the day, the Tunch Punch was Ilkin’s primary weapon and the main reason why a 260-pound man was able to play 14 seasons at a high level in the NFL.

* Patriots owner Robert Kraft had said the team would accept whatever penalties were meted out based on the findings of the Wells Report, but since then the team has become much more aggressive in refuting the findings as the proceedings head toward appeal.

* One of the issues raised by the Patriots is that Wells’ law firm has close ties to the NFL and therefore his report is something other than unbiased. As another part of their response, the Patriots offered a rebuttal of the science cited in the Wells Report via Professor Roderick MacKinnon, a 2003 Nobel laureate in chemistry.

* Without getting overly academic, MacKinnon refuted the science as it was laid out in the Wells Report as it pertained to deflation of footballs in weather, and the Patriots described MacKinnon as someone with “no business or personal relationship with the Patriots” who “offered his scientific expertise to the team” once news of the investigation went public.

* Noah Gray of Nature magazine subsequently wrote that MacKinnon actually is the “scientific co-founder” and co-chair of the Scientific Advisory Board of a company called Flex Pharma that counts The Kraft Group among its investors.

* There are many words that can be used to describe the New England Patriots. One of those words is pathological.
 
I have copies of the Tunch and Wolfley tapes covering their techniques. I bought them years ago so my son could use the skills they taught him on the football field. They served him well as he was a very accomplished football player and received numerous awards though his playing days as both a starting offensive lineman and defensive lineman. My wife often commented how come he never gets to take a brake like the other boys?
 
http://www.steelers.com/news/articl...minicamp/a28a06ff-09ef-4657-8690-1f42f8d78046
The #1 and #2 interception guys in College last year showing up first 7-on-7.


The first workout was on Friday morning, and it was mind-numbingly basic. But still, during the first seven-on-seven of the weekend, two defensive players got their hands on the football: Senquez Golson broke on one pass and batted it down, and Gerod Holliman tracked an errant deep pass and made an over-the-shoulder interception.

* Again, I understand how early it still is and that the pads aren’t on yet and the physical aspects of the sport haven’t been introduced, but I have watched a lot of training camp practices and regular season practices where Steelers defensive backs didn’t get hands on two passes in an entire practice, let alone during a single seven-on-seven drill.

This is a great point. Hard to get excited about this, but it does show that these players have a nose for the ball and hopefully this can translate into camp, preseason and eventually into meaningful games.
 
This is a great point. Hard to get excited about this, but it does show that these players have a nose for the ball and hopefully this can translate into camp, preseason and eventually into meaningful games.

can teach technique ,tackling, schemes........but you can't teach speed and instincts

it doesn't mean they will make it or fake it.....but I like how they are starting
 
Usually I have a hard time getting excited about any players drafted after the 3rd round. I think Dupree and Golson will start at some point this year, but I also believe that Grant, James, Holliman COULD all one day be high quality starters. I just have a gut feeling about Holliman... The notes above are only confirming that feeling.

Walton will be a solid backup for years to come, and I think we'll also get a few solid backups out of the undrafted pickups


The only 2 players which have yet to excite me are Coates, and Chickillo, but I'm hoping pre-season can change that. The 1971 draft produced 8 future Superbowl starters, and will never be matched, but I believe we may have gotten 5 out of this one... I can't wait to see if I'm right!
 
can teach technique ,tackling, schemes........but you can't teach speed and instincts

it doesn't mean they will make it or fake it.....but I like how they are starting

Usually I have a hard time getting excited about any players drafted after the 3rd round. I think Dupree and Golson will start at some point this year, but I also believe that Grant, James, Holliman COULD all one day be high quality starters. I just have a gut feeling about Holliman... The notes above are only confirming that feeling.

Walton will be a solid backup for years to come, and I think we'll also get a few solid backups out of the undrafted pickups


The only 2 players which have yet to excite me are Coates, and Chickillo, but I'm hoping pre-season can change that. The 1971 draft produced 8 future Superbowl starters, and will never be matched, but I believe we may have gotten 5 out of this one... I can't wait to see if I'm right!

I'd take another 2002 draft. No superstars, but came away with five starters and one third-down back. We need Dupree to develop into a very good outside linebacker, but if Golson and Grant become No. 2 and 3 corners, Coates a top-3 receiver and you get one backup from the rest, that is an excellent draft. I'm pretty excited to see what Holliman can do. He has major faults, but if any of his ball-hawking skills translate, he will at least be a solid nickel or dime defensive back.
 
The only 2 players which have yet to excite me are Coates, and Chickillo, but I'm hoping pre-season can change that. The 1971 draft produced 8 future Superbowl starters, and will never be matched, but I believe we may have gotten 5 out of this one... I can't wait to see if I'm right!


I'll take the 1974 draft myself.
 
I'll take the 1974 draft myself.

I didn't want to get greedy, but the 1971 draft does compare nicely to the 2015 Draft

The Elite Eight of '71 included wide receiver Frank Lewis, Hall of Fame linebacker Jack Ham, guard Gerry "Moon" Mullins, defensive end Dwight White, tight end/tackle Larry Brown, defensive tackle Ernie "Fats" Holmes, safety Mike Wagner and cornerback Glenn Edwards, signed as an undrafted rookie running back who the Steelers converted to defense.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...l-starters-in-1971-draft/stories/201104250160
 
Usually I have a hard time getting excited about any players drafted after the 3rd round. I think Dupree and Golson will start at some point this year, but I also believe that Grant, James, Holliman COULD all one day be high quality starters. I just have a gut feeling about Holliman... The notes above are only confirming that feeling.

Walton will be a solid backup for years to come, and I think we'll also get a few solid backups out of the undrafted pickups


The only 2 players which have yet to excite me are Coates, and Chickillo, but I'm hoping pre-season can change that. The 1971 draft produced 8 future Superbowl starters, and will never be matched, but I believe we may have gotten 5 out of this one... I can't wait to see if I'm right!

I really like both of these guys and think they were a huge value where they were selected. Coates will get better at routes and improve his catching skills with better training than he had at college. The kid is not a head case nor is he suffering a wrist injury like Sweed who seems to be turning out alright with his life's work.

Chickillo looks like another great end to linebacker conversion that should go really well. If you look at the Sparq scores he was just slightly below Dupree and might turn out to be very good as well. I like the idea of Linebackers on the outside being bigger than what they had been picking up lately.
 
I really like both of these guys and think they were a huge value where they were selected. Coates will get better at routes and improve his catching skills with better training than he had at college. The kid is not a head case nor is he suffering a wrist injury like Sweed who seems to be turning out alright with his life's work.

Chickillo looks like another great end to linebacker conversion that should go really well. If you look at the Sparq scores he was just slightly below Dupree and might turn out to be very good as well. I like the idea of Linebackers on the outside being bigger than what they had been picking up lately.

Chicklillo was hamstrung by bad defensive coaching and schemes. His athletic tests suggest he's a much better player that his results show. If he doesn't make it, it won't be effort. I'd like to see him lose 10 pounds for OLB.

On Coates, its easy to get excited, but our DB's could be the worst in the NFL as a group. As such I won't be on board until he does it vs other teams DB's.
 
Chicklillo was hamstrung by bad defensive coaching and schemes. His athletic tests suggest he's a much better player that his results show. If he doesn't make it, it won't be effort. I'd like to see him lose 10 pounds for OLB.

On Coates, its easy to get excited, but our DB's could be the worst in the NFL as a group. As such I won't be on board until he does it vs other teams DB's.

I am interested to see what Chicklillo brings this camp. I didn't know much about him before we drafted him but he seems to be in the same boat as Dupree. Dupree played in three different schemes and positions and never got to learn any of them enough to see what he could perhaps do in them. Chicklillo seemed to played out of position his entire college career. Chicklillo kind of reminds me of a Brett Kiesel type player. Probably makes the team as a special teamer but in a year or two I would not be surprised if he was a starter.
 
Miami lacked depth due to the NCAA screwing them over for years. Chickillo was forced to play out of position as a 3-4 DE where he was good but not the impact player he would have been at OLB or as a 4-3 DE. He reminds me of Kevin Green. Green really took off as a 3-4 OLB.

It is clear that the steelers targeted ball skills with the DBs this year and it's about time. The relaxed passing rules have made it much easier to pass. You need turnovers to stop drives more than just a few years ago.
 
Miami lacked depth due to the NCAA screwing them over for years. Chickillo was forced to play out of position as a 3-4 DE where he was good but not the impact player he would have been at OLB or as a 4-3 DE. He reminds me of Kevin Green. Green really took off as a 3-4 OLB.

It is clear that the steelers targeted ball skills with the DBs this year and it's about time. The relaxed passing rules have made it much easier to pass. You need turnovers to stop drives more than just a few years ago.

Amen to the ball skills.

On Chickillo Yes and No. He has Greene's raw strength, and motor, but he lacks Green's savvy, timing, and pass rush moves. The interesting thing is one year ( 1991 ) Green played DE, and only finished with 3 sacks. The year before he had 13 at linebacker and the year after he had10 at linebacker.

Chickillo was stuck at end as well in a passive 3-4 defense coached by a buffoon. Move him to OLB in a 3-4 and the story could be very different.

The Steelers know how to scout pass rushers for their system for the most part.
 
I don't think Chickillo has a shot at OLB in the NFL. I know that is where Porter said he as projected but he is going to get torched in coverage and he does not have the first step to rush the passer. Sure he has strength but he is not explosive.

I do not think he can cut weight and be effective and I do not think he can add weight to anchor the end. I do no have a problem with the pick though - it was worth the risk. I see him more of a special team hammer and perhaps he can develop over the next few years.
 
Nice to quote the "great" draft's 40+ years later. Wonder what this Board would have done with them when they were made.
 
I don't think Chickillo has a shot at OLB in the NFL. I know that is where Porter said he as projected but he is going to get torched in coverage and he does not have the first step to rush the passer. Sure he has strength but he is not explosive.

I do not think he can cut weight and be effective and I do not think he can add weight to anchor the end. I do no have a problem with the pick though - it was worth the risk. I see him more of a special team hammer and perhaps he can develop over the next few years.

Haggans wasn't athletic but he could hold the end nicely, Chikillo could be a nice backup to Dupree as a run stopper specialist
 
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1860808/anthony-chickillo

His ten yard suggests he has a very nice first step. I think if he dropped 10lbs and leaned out he could even improve that number. I am not sure what he will do but I do like the pick at that point in the draft.

It is why I did not have an issue with the pick. His 10yd split is good but not consistent with what he puts on the field. I like the idea of going athlete first but I don't think he moves well. Again, not issues with the pick and I hope he kicks ***.
 
I don't think Chickillo has a shot at OLB in the NFL. I know that is where Porter said he as projected but he is going to get torched in coverage and he does not have the first step to rush the passer. Sure he has strength but he is not explosive.

I do not think he can cut weight and be effective and I do not think he can add weight to anchor the end. I do no have a problem with the pick though - it was worth the risk. I see him more of a special team hammer and perhaps he can develop over the next few years.

His sparq scores were very good, and he came in right behind Randy Gregory while out weighing him by 32lbs. This kid is likely to be a project but he may surprise us. I see him being as good in coverage as Woodley was and think he will be much better than Worilds was. In looking at the picture of Jarvis I saw from training camp it does not look like he has gotten stronger or faster. I know that is not conclusive but it looks like Moates is quicker and stronger.

I would not be surprised if the steelers shop Jarvis around depending on training camp. It does not look like he will make the jump from star in college to the nfl to me, it would be nice to be wrong.
 
I hope the do shop jarvis around. I don't see and reason to keep him. He can not beat out Harrison outright. Let's try someone else.
 
Jones' light started to come in last year but was shut down quickly after his injury. Hopefully he bulked up some and he shows his worthiness of a 1st round pick this year..
 
Jones' light started to come in last year but was shut down quickly after his injury. Hopefully he bulked up some and he shows his worthiness of a 1st round pick this year..

I was looking at a picture posted on the steelers sight of some run drill with him and Moates posted, Motes appeared to be in the lead and looked bulkier. Jarvis did not look strong or like he was faster than Moates. Now granted it is only one picture but it did not make me thing he has gotten better. The lights may be on but I am not sure anyone is home when it comes to Jarvis.
 
I was looking at a picture posted on the steelers sight of some run drill with him and Moates posted, Motes appeared to be in the lead and looked bulkier. Jarvis did not look strong or like he was faster than Moates. Now granted it is only one picture but it did not make me thing he has gotten better. The lights may be on but I am not sure anyone is home when it comes to Jarvis.

I just saw a picture of him an Williams hanging out in front of Vince's house and Jones looks to be the larger of the two. It's in an article over at the Depot about all the Steelers working out and hanging out together during the off season. the good thing is that we will see if he has or has not bulked up or improved in a few more weeks.
 
It is his 3rd year. IMO, as a 1st rounder it's **** or get off the pot time…I have a feeling we may see the latter more than the former with Jones.
 
Agreed. I did not care much for the pick but have given him the benefit of the doubt up to this point. Year three is when I say you can say unequivocally if a guy is a bust or not. Year one was pathetic, year two started out ok and then got derailed by injury, so in year three I need to see him on the field and when on the field making plays. I think less than 8 sacks and I will be disappointed. 5-7 sacks and good against the run (he has been extremely poor vs the run so far) and I will say not worth a 1st round pick but at least a solid starter. Poor against the run and under 8 sacks a total bust.
 
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