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Steelers place the right of first refusal tender on AA Ron.

BLITZ said:
Ben is probably the best steeler of all time. Joe and Troy would be the 2 you could probs persuade me to reconsider.

I would like to see Ben behind the current offense line the Steelers have.
I think he could be every bit a sgo9d as Rodgers
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The thing is that the STEELERS have so many great players from all the era’s.

James Harrison is another to come to mind. Franco / Terry / Bettis / just so many that it is hard to name a single best.

You’re right about Ben / Joe / Troy, but I think Franco needs to be inserted there as well as we didn’t win anything till he showed up.

Thanks for all your great post(s) BLITZ, I appreciate yaz.



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Drink IRON City said:
The thing is that the STEELERS have so many great players from all the era’s.

James Harrison is another to come to mind. Franco / Terry / Bettis / just so many that it is hard to name a single best.

You’re right about Ben / Joe / Troy, but I think Franco needs to be inserted there as well as we didn’t win anything till he showed up.

Thanks for all your great post(s) BLITZ, I appreciate yaz.



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I wasn't around then, but from all the documentaries and shows about the Steelers, it seemed like the loser mentality was punted out the door by Mean Joe(and Noll, but we're talking players). Yes it's so hard to pick just one guy, Lambert needs to be up there as he was the face of the franchise.
 
TDX27 said:
I'm not angry about Rodgers, but I do think they should move on from him and that it is best for the team long term. Who cares about getting to the playoffs and losing in the 1st round? Just let the young guys battle it out to see what you have. Realistically, you have to take 2 or 3 years to find out. Let's get that process moving. If they have a crappy year, so be it. Then, maybe you have a good 1st round spot and can bring in a 3rd young guy to battle it out with Howard and Allar.
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This is the crux of the matter. Why bring Rodgers back just for another year of high-end mediocrity? I'm not really convinced that at the age of 42/43, the guy is the best option to meet even that modest level of success. You just spent the #76 pick in the draft on a quarterback. You've already got another young QB and a proven backup on the roster. Get the process moving, and find out what you have.

And as far as the Rodgers as a mentor argument...I'm not so sure about that either. First of all, the gentleman is already setting a bad example by not being around for voluntary team activities. That's not good leadership from the quarterback position, it's just selfish. Secondly, 76% of his passes went less than 10 yards in the air last season. He led the league in getting the ball out the quickest (2.59 seconds). One of the main reasons which Allar supporters throw out there in his defense is that he was forced to throw shorter, safer passes, and he wasn't given the opportunity to use his big arm and stretch the field. Do we really want him learning from an aged veteran who led the NFL in those types of short and safe throws?

I say no. Please. Thanks but no thanks.
 
topseed said:
This is the crux of the matter. Why bring Rodgers back just for another year of high-end mediocrity? I'm not really convinced that at the age of 42/43, the guy is the best option to meet even that modest level of success. You just spent the #76 pick in the draft on a quarterback. You've already got another young QB and a proven backup on the roster. Get the process moving, and find out what you have.

And as far as the Rodgers as a mentor argument...I'm not so sure about that either. First of all, the gentleman is already setting a bad example by not being around for voluntary team activities. That's not good leadership from the quarterback position, it's just selfish. Secondly, 76% of his passes went less than 10 yards in the air last season. He led the league in getting the ball out the quickest (2.59 seconds). One of the main reasons which Allar supporters throw out there in his defense is that he was forced to throw shorter, safer passes, and he wasn't given the opportunity to use his big arm and stretch the field. Do we really want him learning from an aged veteran who led the NFL in those types of short and safe throws?

I say no. Please. Thanks but no thanks.
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As per the mentor thing...I look at the line of Green Bay QBs. Favre to Rodgers to Love, they have similar play styles. Movement in the pocket, different arm angles, accuracy off of the back foot. Is that just a coincidence? Idk, maybe it is. If not, I'd like for some of that to rub off on Howard and Allar. That's really the only reason I'd want anything to do with Rodgers...if it's not just coincidence.
 
Coryea said:
Ben after elbow surgery 55 TD's 7,500 yards in two seasons. The year after elbow surgery, he had 3 WR's put up better numbers than DK Metcalf did, and none of them were paid as the #4 WR in the NFL. JuJu 97 catches, Dionte 88 catches, Chase(rookie)67 catches, a rookie who hasn't done a damn thing in the NFL since, had a better year than DK Metcalf did with Rodgers. The following season Dionte was a 107 catch almost 1200 yard WR, Dionte F'n Johnson. This was the Oline Dan Moore (rookie), Dotson(2nd year) Kendrick Green(rookie), Trai Turner, Okafor. I don't think I need to mention who is OC's were.

I think you guys are all missing point, as usual when anyone brings up Ben, no one is saying we should've kept him around longer than we did, we're saying they forced him to retire, a franchise all-time great, same as Troy, Hines, etc. but here we are allowing a 42 year old guy that hasn't done a damn thing here, and was sh!t vs playoff teams last year, string us along all while giving him better weapons and giving him a better Oline.
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I would argue getting better weapons and upgrading the offensive line is all part of the plan to have a good spot to put a rookie starting in 2027.

Last things we want to do is use up 2027 and 2028 draft capital, move up to get a franchise caliber QB and not have any foundation of O-line or WR weapons in place around him when we throw him to the wolves.

The extra cap space without ARod on the roster will also help fix holes. All part of Project 2027.
 
deljzc said:
I would argue getting better weapons and upgrading the offensive line is all part of the plan to have a good spot to put a rookie starting in 2027.

Last things we want to do is use up 2027 and 2028 draft capital, move up to get a franchise caliber QB and not have any foundation of O-line or WR weapons in place around him when we throw him to the wolves.

The extra cap space without ARod on the roster will also help fix holes. All part of Project 2027.
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Agreed, but if there's a QB that you think can be the guy, you go get him, if your Oline isn't up to par yet, you let that QB sit
 
Coryea said:
I wasn't around then, but from all the documentaries and shows about the Steelers, it seemed like the loser mentality was punted out the door by Mean Joe(and Noll, but we're talking players). Yes it's so hard to pick just one guy, Lambert needs to be up there as he was the face of the franchise.
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I have an authentic home Lambert jersey, have never lost a game when I was wearing it.

There are a lot of players to chose from, doubtful any other franchise has the number of choices we do.

ADD in the number of GREAT plays and there is no other franchise of equal or close in comparison.



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SteelerInLebanon said:
I think some of you are just struggling having to find who to be angry at now that Tomlin is gone. Someone has to the whipping boy in this franchise unless we are winning the Lombardi. Rodgers not being here for the preseason stuff simply means the young guys get all the snaps. If he was here yinz would be bitchin he was taking all the snaps from the young guys. I am fine either way, he comes back or doesn't. I am one who thinks another year of seasoning for Howard and a first year of it for Allar would be good, but I am not going to lose my mind over it either way. I am simply looking forward to seeing a new scheme in place regardless of who is at QB.
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Not at all. I for one knew that the root cause was not Tomlin but an owner who is senile and was holding on to an inept coach because of familiarity. Noooooow we are seeing the root cause of our franchise decline ..and it’s old man Rooney. Rooney was always the cause; Tomlin was the symptom of the root cause.
 
Coryea said:
That's the part that kills me, which is why I keep bringing up Ben, the season after elbow surgery Ben had 33 TD's and alot of fans were saying it's time to move on, he's holding the franchise back and he was an all time Steeler. Now there's fans saying we should bring Rodgers back, what did anyone see in Rodgers that's makes them want to go through another season with him at QB???
Ben's final season and Rodgers final seasons were almost identical, neither wanted to hold the ball very long, neither wanted contact, neither could move, it was time for Ben to retire, we knew he was retiring before the season ended, Rodgers still hasn't said anything and it's May, make the decision for him, we had no problem doing to that for Ward, Troy, Pouncey, Ben
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A big difference is Ben at the top of his game was still fresh in our heads back then, so his play looked like it fell off by comparison. Compared to the starters we've had to endure over the past 5 yeards, Rodgers looked way better--a QB who could actually throw TDs. Relative to the rest of the league, yeah, he was a bottom third QB.
 
Steel Maniac said:
Not at all. I for one knew that the root cause was not Tomlin but an owner who is senile and was holding on to an inept coach because of familiarity. Noooooow we are seeing the root cause of our franchise decline ..and it’s old man Rooney. Rooney was always the cause; Tomlin was the symptom of the root cause.
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Sorry I don't agree with this at all. Art may not be perfect, but I wouldn't trade for any of your hedge fund brats. I don't buy even a little that he doesn't want to win. nope. I root for the team as much for the Rooney's as I do anyone else.
 
Move on from Rodgers,he doesn’t bring that much value now and will not allow for an evaluation of the two young kids.
Go with Mason and if we’re sitting at something like 3-5 at the midway point, then bring in Will Howard. If Howard doesn’t fair much better and we’re in mid December, let Allar finish it out.
What’s the worst that happens? A losing season…So what! We get an idea of what we may have in the two young guys, get a top ten pick and have the option to take a shot at a top QB in a deep QB draft.
Franchise must start looking long term and stop this nonsense of trying to win with this roster.
QBs like Bradshaw and Ben came here because of prior losing seasons. It was bad for a while but it got a whole lot better. Time to ******* wake up Artie!
 
diver said:
As per the mentor thing...I look at the line of Green Bay QBs. Favre to Rodgers to Love, they have similar play styles. Movement in the pocket, different arm angles, accuracy off of the back foot. Is that just a coincidence? Idk, maybe it is. If not, I'd like for some of that to rub off on Howard and Allar. That's really the only reason I'd want anything to do with Rodgers...if it's not just coincidence.
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Yes.

And the last thing we want as Steeler fans is Drew Allar continuing to throw off of his back foot.
 
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If I wanna waste a Sunday all I gotta do is find some old geezer that still has a VCR so I can watch the ultimate trifecta of

Weekend at Art’s
Weekend at Aaron’s
Groundhog’s Day

Marathon of mediocre “entertainment”

Or we could have some fun, fly by the seat of our pants for a year and see what these young bucks can do…maybe the unthinkable happens and whoever wins QB1 never relinquishes the job!

Maybe they both suck and we go back to the well
In next year’s draft and quench our thirst.

I know this
Weekend at Aaron’s doesn’t get better the second time ya pop in that cassette
 
SteelerFan448 said:
A big difference is Ben at the top of his game was still fresh in our heads back then, so his play looked like it fell off by comparison. Compared to the starters we've had to endure over the past 5 yeards, Rodgers looked way better--a QB who could actually throw TDs. Relative to the rest of the league, yeah, he was a bottom third QB.
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That's a good point, but as this past year wore on, most fans could see Rodgers just wasn't that good vs the good teams, vs the teams you're going to have to beat in the playoffs, going from playing a depleted Lions D and a Ravens D that just wasn't that good this year because of injuries, then to a top tier team like Houston, Rodgers looked like he aged 10 years.
 
I'm hopeful that the Cardinals really are interested in Rodgers and outbids Rooney. I doubt Rooney would want to bid up his salary. Cardinals, make it happen!
 
The most important thing that will happen if Rogers signs with Arizona is that he will count in our calculcations for compensatory picks next year. Which means it's almost definitely an added 3rd round pick (unless he gets hurt and doesn't play at all).

See.... I'm in a odd position. Rogers comes here, I don't care if he gets hurt (helps us get a worse record for the 2027 draft). Rogers goes to Arizona, I want him playing as many snaps as possible :-)

Oh... the fun life of being a Steelers fan.
 
Just a rumor for now, but reports are circulating online AARon is flying into Pittsburgh today. Speculation is he is going to sign.

Nothing definitive… yet.
 
Coryea said:
This really sucks, another wasted season.
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Here’s the thing, if the Aaa-Ron signs, who do they protect on the roster ?

I doubt they waive / trade Mason, Allar / Howard to 3rd QB but neither would last on the PS……

I realize a lot can change from now until then, but still a legitimate question to date…….




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diver said:
Fair enough. I truly don't care if he comes back or not. Just trying to find a possible positive if he does.
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Always like positive stuff, if and when he becomes a Steelers player he will get my full support.



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Drink IRON City said:
Always like positive stuff, if and when he becomes a Steelers player he will get my full support.



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Agreed, but we've seen the ceiling with Rodgers and it wasn't good, hard to be positive there, and we've been trying to find someone to play the most important position in all of sports for 5 seasons, now we're bringing a 42 year old that looked 82 years old vs good teams last season.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Sorry I don't agree with this at all. Art may not be perfect, but I wouldn't trade for any of your hedge fund brats. I don't buy even a little that he doesn't want to win. nope. I root for the team as much for the Rooney's as I do anyone else.
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It’s not about weather he wants to win or not. He operates the team like it’s 1992. The league has changed but Rooney is mentally stuck in the 1990’s operation mode. Bad facilities for players ; doesn’t want to pay the price to move up to get a legit QB; holds on to methods and coaches that can’t win playoff games. I’m a Steeler fan first . I could care less who owns the team as long as the owner brings a winning operational method to the Steelers.
 
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