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Things aren't going to go away just because it's 2021.
Steelers Organization Will Support Players Who Kneel
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Things aren't going to go away just because it's 2021.
Everyone has a right to protest , do it on your free time. Not while you are on the clock at work . The NFL will lose millions more this season , and will continue to lose fans.
You're right, I don't know you and your posts that reflect a newfound "woke" alliance with Marxists is none of my concern...please accept my apologies.
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This thread is hilarious. While the kneeling protest doesn't bother me the way it does some, I can understand the opposition to it just like I understand the right to protest. I don't understand why if somebody feels a certain way about something, anyone that disagrees has to drag them down into the gutter.
Personally, I would never kneel for the anthem. I served, continue to serve and have seen the sacrifices paid in blood for this nation and the impact that has on people. Seeing that, I cannot allow myself to kneel, and I won't.
I can't say that I understand the black experience in America. A guy I work with and a close personal friend has shared some of his with me. I'll just say we have had very different experiences. From that stand point, I can understand why the flag and the anthem are something different to him, and why someone with similar experiences might choose to kneel.
Personally, I would never kneel for the anthem. I served, continue to serve and have seen the sacrifices paid in blood for this nation and the impact that has on people. Seeing that, I cannot allow myself to kneel, and I won't.
I can't say that I understand the black experience in America. A guy I work with and a close personal friend has shared some of his with me. I'll just say we have had very different experiences. From that stand point, I can understand why the flag and the anthem are something different to him, and why someone with similar experiences might choose to kneel.
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I'm so done! This is a total lack of respect for all men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice. My father and his brothers gave up two years of their lives in WWII and another uncle the Korean War and this disrespects those men and what they sacrificed. After 60 years as a devoted Steeler fan I'm so done with them if they support this disrespect of our country and what it stands for. Art Rooney you should be ashamed of yourself by supporting this garbage. Colin K. like all of these overpaid millionaires are a disgrace to our country by dong this. You want to protest, do it on your own time and not in front of proud Americans who help pay your enormous salaries. NFL to me means, NO ******* Longer.
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Hate to be downer but this is only going to get worse. Trump will win again, this time next year there will probably be another virus to shut things down. Actually there’s a swine flu in the works.. should make its way here just in time.
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I dunno a lot of us have had bad experiences. I can match a lot of these stories with black racist encounters. But yet I still understand what the flag represents and the freedom that it has given every American. Soldiers gave up their lives for that freedom. When a person is at an event that the flag is represented that small window should be reserved for those lives.
Again people have social media, TV, now apparently work isn't even safe, almost every single aspect of our life an agenda pushed. Well I am pushing that one moment in time for my righteous agenda of respecting the flag.
Nothing statistically supports their agenda in comparison to other bigger problems that they could care less about.
**** I had a cop draw on me for bullshit. Target me for my looks. I even called a few out in a bar.
Yeah there is some bad cops. there is a lot of bad people in comparison. The real problem.is black on back crime and black on white crime.
That has been shown as a statistical truth.
Outside of that it is episode, just like what I went through episodal ****, and I still stand.
and I feel for that brief moment so should others out of respect.
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I too support our players and coaches etc
I think TP may have forgotten an entire Nation of peoples that faced far worse oppression tho
And they were here long before CC accidentally bumped into this land in search of new trade routes.
You expressed my thoughts better than I can Sarge, everyone has a right to an opinion, just don't be butt hurt if I don't agree with it.
There will be no election hysteria, it will be better. It's OK if your opinion varies.
Trump will win again.. the next 4 years will be spent trying to get him out and making him look bad. They’ll figure something out.
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And there were people here before them.. look up the Clovis people. The natives that were here before CC were killing, enslaving, and sacrificing each other. That's the way things were back then. The NA even brought their slaves with them on the trail or tears but nobody cares because history isn't taught anymore. Plus everyone wants to believe the NA were a bunch of flower power pacifists. They weren't. They were warriors that destroyed other NA villages. They stole land from each other.
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Cope,
you seem to have expressed concerns, been stressed and found outlets.
Others here have taken you to task because, quite frankly, you have flaked in many, many threads (you started!), espousing your "enlightenment" and "science" and then failing to respond.
Or when you do respond, its the Woke Cope "I am aware and you are not" sense, like above.
Instead of adopting Tibs' "alt right" tiredness from 2 years ago, why do you not use your brainpower and communication skills to actually help to educate those here? If you are unable, or unwilling, to articulate your point of view in a way that others here understand, well then that would be a communication issue on your part, wouldn't it?
If you can change your thoughts and opinions to view things from a different perspective over the past few months, how is it that you now resort to generalizations and labelling of those here that disagree with you? Is that either enlightened, or Christian-like?
Maybe when folks write "echo chamber", they really mean it to be a mirror into their own self.
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I think people tend to have their subjects of strength and then of course subjects of weaknesses. Problem is you should in my opinion be open to realizing those weak areas and be open to being educated. You can lock yourself into a viewpoint and in the process stray from the truth. Which is why I never am upset if my opinion on any given subject is proven inaccurate. I dare to be proven wrong because well **** it happens to the best of us. I don't think Cope in this instance is in his wheelhouse. He has locked into his opinion. The thing is enough has been shown that this is an agenda over being a true nationwide problematic issue. Racism is really an episodal issue not a white on black issue. If people want to tag it statistics don't paint the black race as victims, even though Marxist and some people want to buy in.I get it though...I do I am all about the just cause. The noble cause. I have saved a life, I have served willing to sacrifice my life for others. I have helped people of all colors in distress. I get the want. Reality is you can make what you want of yourself. Sure life can bring roadblocks. You have to adjust,adapt, and overcome. We ALL have that equal opportunity. We all are free to make a living,free to be educated if willing. Right now you have a large group that simply wants to cause diversity. People like that will leave you on the side of the road bleeding to death as they walk over your dying body. It isn't healthy. They aren't problem solvers they are finger pointers. They aren't trying to change black on black crimes, black on white crimes. That in itself is telling. So sure dislike racism. But disliking it doesn't mean you have to buy into what the media is shoveling.
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I need some help. WTF is the alt right? At first, I thought it was the white supremacists in Charlottesville, but anymore it seems it is anyone opposed to the leftist agenda. If anyone is willing to enlighten me I’d love to know.
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I think UncleFa is the partner of Antifa, but the opposite, or anti-Antifa is just fa.
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I didn't know either so I looked it up. It seems to have at least a couple definitions, depending on your political views.
Myself, it doesn't bother me 'cause politically there's few people further to the right of me 'ceptin Brother John Birch.
The " white supremacism, white separatism, racism, xenophobia, antisemitism, and antifeminism, " stuff I think is liberal add-on stuff to inflame the sheeple. I personally know many many conservatives and non of those adjectives are valid in them.........jus sayin.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot another important group I support
http://2ndamendmentpatches.com/image/cache/data/Decals/*******-SMALL-CORRECTED-228x228.jpg
Alright, that's enough. Yinz got me worked up and I got work to do
Get back to football and let me go fix my gate opener before my wife runs it down.
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Why does this have to be a realization I came to in the last couple months. That is shortsighted in the least. It goes against my mentor in high school, who ran our travel chorus, and took us out of country on tours 3 times. Without a father at home, he was a father figure to me, and he was black. My best friend and roommate while traveling for these was also black.
This also discounts my first college roommate who was black, and we chose to continue living together for the next 3 years, because we became great friends.
Also goes against my 11 straight years hosting a 4 day all inclusive, open house party of all races and religions every MLK weekend.
A lot of conservative arguments are trying to pidgin hole these views as new or sudden. They aren't they're just more visible.
I can apologize for using the term 'alt right' because I didn't know it was a white nationalist term, and I don't feel this board is that. See, I can learn new information and shape my behavior because of it. It's not that hard.
Lots of reflection about this issue with everything that has happened in society. For me personally, I just want to see football. The societal issues don't belong in between the white lines of a football field. We watch sports for entertainment and the competitive release.
If players want to use their voice to be heard then that is their right to do so even if we don't agree with everything they have to say. I understand the issue at hand here and it sucks that it has become politicized. Things could be fixed if the elected officials actually did their jobs and held public employees accountable for their actions. The public needs to wake up and hold elected officials accountable for NOT doing their job.
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If players want to use their voice to be heard then that is their right to do so even if we don't agree with everything they have to say. I understand the issue at hand here and it sucks that it has become politicized. Things could be fixed if the elected officials actually did their jobs and held public employees accountable for their actions. The public needs to wake up and hold elected officials accountable for NOT doing their job.
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When labeling is used in any conversation, broadcast, publication, etc., I am immediately skeptical of it's accuracy. The use of those terms are meant to divide.
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Thanks for responding.
It doesn't have to be a recent realization(your term). Most understand racial equality according to their own learning and evolution. I am beginning to understand First Nations in a much broader perspective, and I understand my family history from Austria, and the family histories of many friends in rural areas.
So we all are on our own learning curves, whatever they may be. That seems very human to me. What I do not understand is your reluctance to respond to those who question your words in the threads you started. It seems like you wanted to show all that you were "enlightened" in the guise of educating all on this site, but that you do not have any real interest in the topics because you do not choose to respond.
In essence, you have no real desire to help others understand; you want us to know that you do understand, though.
If that is the case, fine If not, then please help all to learn by engaging in the discussion; conservatives have surprisingly open minds.
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Yeah..them nasty white people.
The NFL is closing in on that last straw. Soon be time for Chip to adios.
NFL plans to play Black national anthem before Week 1 games this season
It's hard to fathom that this whole faux outrage all started by a career criminal being choked to death by another criminal dressed as a cop.
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NFL assuming everybody is on board with the messaging may want to think again
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The NFL is closing in on that last straw. Soon be time for Chip to adios.
Think I'm there? The utter hypocrisy. Tebow ostracized for kneeling for his faith. Dallas Cowboys denied the right to wear helmet sticker/jersey patch to honor murdered officers, killed after BLM rhetoric and chants of "What do we want? Dead cops!" and "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon!" But now they're planning on sticker/patch for victim of "systemic police brutality" though, apart from tragically being so wrongly murdered, was a quite flawed individual.
Calling to bring people together, yet planning on doing something so divisive as 2 National Anthems? One for this group and one for all others??? How much more divisive can you get???
There is not a nation on the planet that doesn't have moral blemishes, including the United States, but considering the relatively short history of the U.S. in comparison of the history of the earth and most other nations, this young nation has responded very quickly to correct many wrongs. And, again, although moral blemishes in our history, we all should stand together under one common flag and anthem for the sake of having a uniting commonality.
For one horrific wrong (Dallas police murders) to be chalked up as "nothing to see here" not worthy of acknowledgement, but this horrific wrong (George Floyd) to be the driving force of change in a league that otherwise didn't care much before... I'm not stupid or blind to the concept of double standards, nor willing to accept them. It's insulting and I can definitely find more personally constructive things to do with my time, family and money.
Think I'm there? The utter hypocrisy. Tebow ostracized for kneeling for his faith. Dallas Cowboys denied the right to wear helmet sticker/jersey patch to honor murdered officers, killed after BLM rhetoric and chants of "What do we want? Dead cops!" and "Pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon!" But now they're planning on sticker/patch for victim of "systemic police brutality" though, apart from tragically being so wrongly murdered, was a quite flawed individual.
Calling to bring people together, yet planning on doing something so divisive as 2 National Anthems? One for this group and one for all others??? How much more divisive can you get???
There is not a nation on the planet that doesn't have moral blemishes, including the United States, but considering the relatively short history of the U.S. in comparison of the history of the earth and most other nations, this young nation has responded very quickly to correct many wrongs. And, again, although moral blemishes in our history, we all should stand together under one common flag and anthem for the sake of having a uniting commonality.
For one horrific wrong (Dallas police murders) to be chalked up as "nothing to see here" not worthy of acknowledgement, but this horrific wrong (George Floyd) to be the driving force of change in a league that otherwise didn't care much before... I'm not stupid or blind to the concept of double standards, nor willing to accept them. It's insulting and I can definitely find more personally constructive things to do with my time, family and money.