Steelers hiring McCarthy

[Gildong Sack]

I’m reading your positive comments on McCarthy and I get it, you’re trying to see the silver lining within the cloud. That’s good but I’m just having a hard time coming around with this hiring.
This to me looks to be a panic hire, status quo, let’s just run it back and stay above the mean.
This owner is horrible and continues to impede progress and is happy with the current state of the team.
I’m not trying to be negative but I simply just can’t justify or make any rational sense for this hiring.
Sorry boys!

I hear you. I've said Sleepy Potato Rooney has to go as well, but it is what it is.

 

[slashsteel]

They may not have to. Lemon might make it to 21; if not, I would encourage you to look at Denzel Boston from Washington. Kids a baller. I like Lemon's teammate from USC, Jakobi Lane, and both IU receivers Sarat and Cooper. As a sleeper, ND Maliki Fields is 6'5", has great hands and good speed, and is fantastic at contested catches.

Boston is tied with Lemon as a like. If the Steelers get either of those two I think they get solid production…

 

[flyhatch]

Maybe he has a Andy Reid like 2nd half of his career.

 

[SteelerFan448]

McCarthy is obviously getting slammed by Steelers fans, but also the national media. He's graded as the worst hire so far...why?

How is John Harbaugh, who basically has the same resume, getting an A+ from everyone and McCarthy is being laughed at?

Stefanski overall stunk with the Browns and really didn't show much in terms of developing QBs, yet he's getting praised.

There's relatively good reviews for Minter in Baltimore, whatever, that makes sense.

Hafley is getting better reviews than McCarthy. Hafley stunk as a college coach.

Saleh was awful in NYJ and is getting solid grades for being hired in Tennessee. Really?

Listen, McCarthy isn't an inspiring hire and not a guy who's going to win a Super Bowl. I just want to know how does a coach in the same stratosphere of accomplishments as Tomlin, Harbaugh, Payton, and Carroll is universally thought of as a buffoon, yet three recently hired head coaches who have losing records are applauded.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Actually, his stats were consistent with his draft position and perceived ability coming out of college; he was pick 33 in the 1999 draft. Almost right in the middle in terms of expected stats and performance for that draft position.

We can agree to disagree on this, but McCarthy does not have a good track record as a QB developer, by the numbers. There is evidence that he can

1. Make a guy who doesn’t fit his philosophies worse (Dak, A Smith)

2. Needs an elite QB to truly succeed ( (Rodgers)

He is a great used car salesman, just like Tomlin. No wonder Rooney fell for it. If I had to characterize McCarthy, he’s the offensive minded mirror image of our other Mike, and the image matches very closely.

Pretty sure Brooks was a later round pick.

I know you don't to give McCarthy any credit for Rodgers either, even though he oversaw the transition from Favre to Rodgers, which was difficult for everyone involved.

I don't get the used car salesman analogy for McCarthy either.

He's not as silver-tongued or charismatic as Tomlin, and honestly knows what he's doing on his side of the ball a lot more than Tomlin did his from a schematic standpoint.

The key will be whether he can find the right DC to complement him, something Tomlin struggled to do with OCs over the past decade.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Dejan of DK Sports is speculating that both Scheelhause and Shula may have expressed in their virtual interviews wanting a Sean McVay-type coaching staff structure, but Rooney won't pay for it.

No sure what he is basing that on, but I really hope it isnt true.

I can believe that.
Never A Losing Season and won the division with the second-smallest coaching staff in the league so whaddaya gotta change?

 

[Hypocycloids]

Maybe he has a Andy Reid like 2nd half of his career.

Could be, because they are both fat.

Maybe Rooneys rationale.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

McCarthy is obviously getting slammed by Steelers fans, but also the national media. He's graded as the worst hire so far...why?

How is John Harbaugh, who basically has the same resume, getting an A+ from everyone and McCarthy is being laughed at?

Stefanski overall stunk with the Browns and really didn't show much in terms of developing QBs, yet he's getting praised.

There's relatively good reviews for Minter in Baltimore, whatever, that makes sense.

Hafley is getting better reviews than McCarthy. Hafley stunk as a college coach.

Saleh was awful in NYJ and is getting solid grades for being hired in Tennessee. Really?

Listen, McCarthy isn't an inspiring hire and not a guy who's going to win a Super Bowl. I just want to know how does a coach in the same stratosphere of accomplishments as Tomlin, Harbaugh, Payton, and Carroll is universally thought of as a buffoon, yet three recently hired head coaches who have losing records are applauded.

All good points.
However with the Steelers The Standard Is The Standard.
Errrrr.......

 

[mightyguru]

Dejan of DK Sports is speculating that both Scheelhause and Shula may have expressed in their virtual interviews wanting a Sean McVay-type coaching staff structure, but Rooney won't pay for it.

No sure what he is basing that on, but I really hope it isnt true.

This and the much needed upgrade of the players facilities. Scared Deuce shitless.

 

[Punxsutawney]

McCarthy is obviously getting slammed by Steelers fans, but also the national media. He's graded as the worst hire so far...why?

How is John Harbaugh, who basically has the same resume, getting an A+ from everyone and McCarthy is being laughed at?

Stefanski overall stunk with the Browns and really didn't show much in terms of developing QBs, yet he's getting praised.

There's relatively good reviews for Minter in Baltimore, whatever, that makes sense.

Hafley is getting better reviews than McCarthy. Hafley stunk as a college coach.

Saleh was awful in NYJ and is getting solid grades for being hired in Tennessee. Really?

Listen, McCarthy isn't an inspiring hire and not a guy who's going to win a Super Bowl. I just want to know how does a coach in the same stratosphere of accomplishments as Tomlin, Harbaugh, Payton, and Carroll is universally thought of as a buffoon, yet three recently hired head coaches who have losing records are applauded.

I honestly think people are more frustrated with the lack of sizzle than the steak itself with the McCarthy hire.

"Uninspiring" is definitely the right word for it, but it could turn out better than people think.

I'm just hoping it was done for the right reasons and not because Rooney didnt want to pay for the staffs that Shula or Scheelhause would have wanted.

That's Bob Nutting level ****.

 

[dv13]

Come again? Dak has his two best seasons under McCarthy, Rodgers developed a HOF resume under him. Aaron Brooks also played his best football for MM.

I already did Brooks. Here's Dak by the numbers, courtesy ESPN:

Coach GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS YPA TD INT LNG SACK RTG QBR
Garrett 16 311 459 67.8 3,667 8.0 23 4 83 25 104.9 77.6
Garrett 16 308 490 62.9 3,324 6.8 22 13 81 32 86.6 70.0
Garrett 16 356 526 67.7 3,885 7.4 22 8 90 56 96.9 55.2
Garrett 16 388 596 65.1 4,902 8.2 30 11 62 23 99.7 71.9
McCarthy 5 151 222 68.0 1,856 8.4 9 4 58 10 99.6 73.1
McCarthy 16 410 596 68.8 4,449 7.5 37 10 51 30 104.2 60.5
McCarthy 12 261 394 66.2 2,860 7.3 23 15 68 20 91.1 59.9
McCarthy 17 410 590 69.5 4,516 7.7 36 9 92 39 105.9 73.4
McCarthy 8 185 286 64.7 1,978 6.9 11 8 65 21 86.0 41.9
McCarthy 17 404 600 67.3 4,552 7.6 30 10 86 31 99.5 70.3

In these numbers there is ZERO evidence of Dak getting better after McCarthy took the reins. He was a very good QB well before McCarthy set foot in Dallas. He was also better in the playoffs pre-McCarthy. The rating numbers are unchanged, with the expected variation year to year, with QBR higher on average in the Garrett era.

 

[dv13]

Pretty sure Brooks was a later round pick.

I know you don't to give McCarthy any credit for Rodgers either, even though he oversaw the transition from Favre to Rodgers, which was difficult for everyone involved.

I don't get the used car salesman analogy for McCarthy either.

He's not as silver-tongued or charismatic as Tomlin, and honestly knows what he's doing on his side of the ball a lot more than Tomlin did his from a schematic standpoint.

The key will be whether he can find the right DC to complement him, something Tomlin struggled to do with OCs over the past decade.

You are right on the draft position, I saw a bad reference, he was a 4th rounder, like Kirk Cousins and Dak Prescott, who was pumping out numbers much better than Brooks before McCarthy. I don't think Brooks was anything special and I doubt McCarthy really impacted him in any meaningful way. He was in the right spot at the right time in NO.

If he sold Rooney and Khan on the notion that he's a world beater when it comes to QB development, he's more silver tongued than Tomlin.

 

[Djfan]

Whatever.

For the record, as of today, I am a huge McCarthy fan. Win something MM.

 

[Confluence]

Pretty sure Brooks was a later round pick.

I know you don't to give McCarthy any credit for Rodgers either, even though he oversaw the transition from Favre to Rodgers, which was difficult for everyone involved.

I don't get the used car salesman analogy for McCarthy either.

He's not as silver-tongued or charismatic as Tomlin, and honestly knows what he's doing on his side of the ball a lot more than Tomlin did his from a schematic standpoint.

The key will be whether he can find the right DC to complement him, something Tomlin struggled to do with OCs over the past decade.

And things of that nature.

 

[stuntmanmike]

didnt know head coaches decided what the owners of the team can do???

Once head coaches are hired most have say over how and who… it’s become a thin line in the rest of the league but not here…. But hold on to your jock strap! Kind of makes sense now to get assistants you have to pay them Rooney won’t pay! They let Munchek walk rather than pay him. How many others didn’t get hired cuz they could match what other teams pay? See how many of the coaches they try to retain…

 

[speedicut]

I'm just afraid that after 5 + years, McCarthy will never have a losing season™ and will have us picking at 21 every draft.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I'm just afraid that after 5 + years, McCarthy will never have a losing season™ and will have us picking at 21 every draft.

If he wins a playoff game within 9 years it will be an improvement though.

 

[Punxsutawney]

If he sold Rooney and Khan on the notion that he's a world beater when it comes to QB development, he's more silver tongued than Tomlin.

He probably didnt have to convince them of anything in that regard, as his reputation for his handling of QBs is pretty well established around the NFL.

You can dismiss it all you want, but it was ultimately his time as OC with the Saints and Aaron Brooks that got him the Packers job.

It wasn't his one year with the 49ers.

We can play the hypothetical games with Rodgers and the Packers all day, but all we can really go by is the results.

 

[Confluence]

If he wins a playoff game within 9 years it will be an improvement though.

Up to stains levels of recent PO success.

 

[steelhurt]

McCarthy is obviously getting slammed by Steelers fans, but also the national media. He's graded as the worst hire so far...why?

How is John Harbaugh, who basically has the same resume, getting an A+ from everyone and McCarthy is being laughed at?

Stefanski overall stunk with the Browns and really didn't show much in terms of developing QBs, yet he's getting praised.

There's relatively good reviews for Minter in Baltimore, whatever, that makes sense.

Hafley is getting better reviews than McCarthy. Hafley stunk as a college coach.

Saleh was awful in NYJ and is getting solid grades for being hired in Tennessee. Really?

Listen, McCarthy isn't an inspiring hire and not a guy who's going to win a Super Bowl. I just want to know how does a coach in the same stratosphere of accomplishments as Tomlin, Harbaugh, Payton, and Carroll is universally thought of as a buffoon, yet three recently hired head coaches who have losing records are applauded.

I think you pretty much summed it all up when you said McCarthy isn’t an inspiring hire who’s going to win a SB.
Most in the national sports media were looking for that inspiring hire, that young innovative guy to lead this organization into today’s game.
Hiring Mike who is certainly not a bad coach, it’s just a blah kind of hire.
It’s a boring, lazy, uninspiring kind of hire.

 

[SteelerFan448]

I honestly think people are more frustrated with the lack of sizzle than the steak itself with the McCarthy hire.

"Uninspiring" is definitely the right word for it, but it could turn out better than people think.

I'm just hoping it was done for the right reasons and not because Rooney didnt want to pay for the staffs that Shula or Scheelhause would have wanted.

That's Bob Nutting level ****.

It's getting tougher to think the cheapness has caught up to the Steelers when it comes to the best candidates.

I do think the Steelers want to win without bottoming out and this was their best approach to find and develop a QB. However, I have zero confidence is capable of winning a Super Bowl.

 

[SteelerFan448]

I think you pretty much summed it all up when you said McCarthy isn’t an inspiring hire who’s going to win a SB.
Most in the national sports media were looking for that inspiring hire, that young innovative guy to lead this organization into today’s game.
Hiring Mike who is certainly not a bad coach, it’s just a blah kind of hire.
It’s a boring, lazy, uninspiring kind of hire.

But Saleh and Hafley? Come on. I want the national media to explain the perception difference between Harbaugh and McCarthy because I don't expect Harbaugh to win a Super Bowl in NY either.

 

[dv13]

He probably didnt have to convince them of anything in that regard, as his reputation for his handling of QBs is pretty well established around the NFL.

You can dismiss it all you want, but it was ultimately his time as OC with the Saints and Aaron Brooks that got him the Packers job.

It wasn't his one year with the 49ers.

We can play the hypothetical games with Rodgers and the Packers all day, but all we can really go by is the results.

I hear you, we can agree to disagree, and if McCarthy is able to take the club to one or more Super Bowls over the next 5-10 years I’ll gladly print out and eat my posts while I celebrate. I also know that it’s just not likely.

On the comment someone made about why this pick is being trashed in the media as well as fans and why Harbaugh and Minter are being hailed elsewhere, there’s no conspiracy there. Those were great decisions by those organizations. This was a very poor decision for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

 

[stillwright]

Agreed but he didn’t start it at least. He was responding the Kentucky Clown.

Kentucky didn't mention ICE.....so you would be wrong. Keep the political slant in the proper forum. Not hard. Rather simple actually. That is why we have a political forum.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Absolutely sucky day to have the moniker of SteelBuckeye. First McCarthy is hired as the Steelers HC. Then, Art Smith, who couldn't get hired in the NFL, is hired to be the Buckeye's OC.