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Sometimes a fantasy. GM moves and the draft

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Okay, let's say your Kevin Colbert. There are some players you need to win, and others who are expensive that we can win without.

My moves.

1. Cut or trade Pouncey. Let's say I trade him for a 5th round pick, and free up 10.5 million in cap space.

2. I trade Wheaton for a 3rd round pick and save 842,000 in cap space.

3. I cut Suisham and save 3.3 million in cap space, a no-brainer move!

In free agency:

1. Re-sign Gay for 6 million a year.

2. Sign Eric Weddle. A pro bowl level safety for 3 years at 6 million a year. Upgrade over Allen for sure.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WeddEr99.htm


Draft.

1 ) CB Apple
2 ) OLB Calhoun
3 ) C Martin ( Should be able to beat out Wallace by the end of the season )
3 ) CB Canady
4 ) DL Zettel We are going to lose some players at DL in free agency.
5 ) BPA at WR / Return specialists
7 ) BPA at OL


These moves

1 ) Keep our best DB in Gay who did not give up a TD this season, an made his share of plays!
2 ) Add another very good one in Weddle. Tomlin so I read likes him.
3 ) Phase Blake out and insert a 1st and 3rd round talent at CB, who happen to have both height and speed.
4 ) Give Jarvis Jones some competition at OLB, mostly likely an upgrade
5 ) Give us a very cheap center who's likely better than Wallace
6 ) Give us a kick return person instead of risking Brown
 
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Trading Pouncey does NOT free up cap space. It would actually take up more space in dead money to trade him than to keep him. You also don't save the full $3.3 million by trading Suisham.

As for Wheaton, there's no assurance that someone will give us a 3rd for him. Remember he is only signed for one more season --- what is one year of Wheaton worth? And you have to replace him on the roster so it's misleading to imply that you are "saving" $800k. You are only saving the difference between Wheaton's salary and his replacement's salary (which amounts to jack ****).

In summary, you suck at this and we are all dumber for having read it.
 
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SteelerAl said:
Trading Pouncey does NOT free up cap space. It would actually take up more space in dead money to trade him than to keep him. You also don't save the full $3.3 million by trading Suisham.

As for Wheaton, there's no assurance that someone will give us a 3rd for him. Remember he is only signed for one more season --- what is one year of Wheaton worth? And you have to replace him on the roster so it's misleading to imply that you are "saving" $800k. You are only saving the difference between Wheaton's salary and his replacement's salary (which amounts to jack ****).

In summary, you suck at this and we are all dumber for having read it.
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Please explain why Poucney can't be traded with cap relief?

Suisham cap # is $3,503,000 in 2016. Are you saying we can't cut him and save anything? I'm calling BS here, you will save something. A capologist would know, but I'll bet ya this move will happen Al.

No worries Al. This is a fantasy thread. No need for anger management issues here :)
 
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Coach said:
Please explain why Poucney can't be traded with cap relief?

Suisham cap # is $3,503,000 in 2016. Are you saying we can't cut him and save anything? I'm calling BS here, you will save something. A capologist would know, but I'll bet ya this move will happen Al.

No worries Al. This is a fantasy thread. No need for anger management issues here :)
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Pouncey was paid a big *** signing bonus that will accelerate into this season if we trade him (or cut him). Otherwise only his salary for 2016 plus a portion (I think 25% since he is signed through 2019) of that big *** signing bonus will count this year. The full big *** signing bonus is slightly bigger than the 2016 salary plus 25% of the big *** signing bonus. You can get all the particulars from Steelers Depot (within the last week or so they have a whole article on it).

We will end up trading or cutting Suisham but 1) he will still count significantly (I think over $2 million) against our cap in 2016 because of the signing bonus we gave him and 2) we may not trade him until the end of training camp. Let's face it, the demand may not be high for an expensive kicker coming off of ACL surgery. We may have to wait to see if there's a team that's desperate due to injury or their kicker getting a case of the pre-season shanks. Since the salary cap savings in 2016 is minimal, there's no reason to get rid of Suisham soon. We could cut him with the post-June 1st designation, and that would help with signing our draft class but it doesn't offer immediate relief.

This guy has a pretty good rundown of our salary cap situation: https://twitter.com/IanWhetstone

We won't be that tight under the salary cap if we extend / restructure Timmons (can save more than $5 million with that move) and restructure both Ben and Heyward. I'm all for bringing back Gay and trying to sign Weddle, but it only takes one team offering Weddle something stupid because we are not going to break the bank (and upset underpaid guys like AB) for a safety who is on the wrong side of 30.

If it's a fantasy thread, post some pictures of hot chicks or something. Make believe when it comes to NFL salary cap accounting is not very titillating.
 
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SteelerAl said:
Pouncey was paid a big *** signing bonus that will accelerate into this season if we trade him (or cut him). Otherwise only his salary for 2016 plus a portion (I think 25% since he is signed through 2019) of that big *** signing bonus will count this year. The full big *** signing bonus is slightly bigger than the 2016 salary plus 25% of the big *** signing bonus. You can get all the particulars from Steelers Depot (within the last week or so they have a whole article on it).

We will end up trading or cutting Suisham but 1) he will still count significantly (I think over $2 million) against our cap in 2016 because of the signing bonus we gave him and 2) we may not trade him until the end of training camp. Let's face it, the demand may not be high for an expensive kicker coming off of ACL surgery. We may have to wait to see if there's a team that's desperate due to injury or their kicker getting a case of the pre-season shanks. Since the salary cap savings in 2016 is minimal, there's no reason to get rid of Suisham soon.

This guy has a pretty good rundown of our salary cap situation: https://twitter.com/IanWhetstone

If it's a fantasy thread, post some pictures of hot chicks or something. Make believe when it comes to NFL salary cap accounting is not very titillating.
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All right, it looks like we are stuck with Pouncey for better or worse. Did not know that, but I felt giving a long term deal to an injury prone player with minor off the field issues was not wise. He's a center, not a Tackle!

It seems like you agree with me on Suisham.

I'm still for trading Wheaton. 31 teams are out there. Someone I think will offer a 3rd.

That Whitestone guy looks like Kevin Colbert. Just saying...

Now go have yourself a cold one and enjoy the photos

http://www.mensfitness.com/women/galleries/10-hottest-nfl-cheerleaders-season
 
You want to pay Gay 6 mil/yr. Try 3 mil /yr
 
I'll toss something out there. If the Steelers don't sign Bell to a decent deal this offseason, he very well may not be on the team after this coming season. The team did pretty well with him out of the lineup this year. It's going to come down to him or AB. I can't see them able to pay both. With that said, cutting Pouncey could free up money to try and keep them both or keeping Pouncey could free up money by having a better line and not having to pay Bell.

I hope we can keep Bell and AB. Having both with Ben for a few more seasons is our best chance of winning another SB.
 
While I have been known to be a bit down on Pouncey, I expect we can do better than a 5th for him as well.

I'd like to think so anyway. Course that cap hit is the killer. That's the thing that is getting in the way of my eternal happiness.
 
Coach said:
All right, it looks like we are stuck with Pouncey for better or worse. Did not know that, but I felt giving a long term deal to an injury prone player with minor off the field issues was not wise. He's a center, not a Tackle!

It seems like you agree with me on Suisham.

I'm still for trading Wheaton. 31 teams are out there. Someone I think will offer a 3rd.

That Whitestone guy looks like Kevin Colbert. Just saying...

Now go have yourself a cold one and enjoy the photos

http://www.mensfitness.com/women/galleries/10-hottest-nfl-cheerleaders-season
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basically you created a thread and posted whatever went through your mind without checking out the cap situation for each player you were pretending to cut/trade... Nice
now you see why people complain about your threads?

but back to reality:

- Heath cap hit will be 4 millions and he will be in his last year, maybe extend him for a couple more and reduce his cap number to 2M

- Heyward can be given a prorated bonus of about 10 millions which would reduce his cap hit next year from 10.400.000 to 8.400.000, keep in mind that this will increase 2 millions each year left on his contract: 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020. The biggest hit would be 2018 with 13.400.000 (which might mean peanuts by then)

- Timmons is due 15.000.000 on his final year (due to previous prorated bonuses). If cut he would save 8,75M but cost the rest and you lose a starter and proven solid player. I'd extend him for 3 more years (would he accept 20M for 3 Years with a signing bonus of 6M?), prorate some of that 2016 money (9 millions) and keep it low on the signing bonus of the new contract so that if his abilities decline he could be cut in the final year (2019) with a low cap hit (3M from the prorated bonus + 2M from the signing bonus)

- DeCastro is also in his final year, you have to extend him and try to prorate some os those 8M cap hit of next season to future years. Maybe 6 millions?

So there you have 27 Millions in prorated money to resign Gay, McLendon, dare I say extend Antonio Brown? and go for a couple of good FAs
 
TDX27 said:
I'll toss something out there. If the Steelers don't sign Bell to a decent deal this offseason, he very well may not be on the team after this coming season. The team did pretty well with him out of the lineup this year. It's going to come down to him or AB. I can't see them able to pay both. With that said, cutting Pouncey could free up money to try and keep them both or keeping Pouncey could free up money by having a better line and not having to pay Bell.

I hope we can keep Bell and AB. Having both with Ben for a few more seasons is our best chance of winning another SB.
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Bell is going to his final year as well as Brown, the difference is that Bell has to prove he can stay healthy, I'm all up for extending him but you can't throw crazy money at him given his injury status
 
Brown has another year on his contract. They will throw $2 extra million at him during this offseason like they did this year. So, they will have one year in between the 2 to figure things out. That is, if they try to sign Bell this offseason. If they don't sign Bell this offseason, I just can't see him being here after this year. Someone will throw crazy money at him in free agency. The Steelers won't.

As far as Pouncey goes, do the Clowns need a center? They'll throw two first rounders for him.
 
Trading Wheaton for a 3rd is silly. The odds of a 3rd rounder coming in and being a better player (especially in his rookie year) are not good. I would say there are much greater odds that Bryant tests positive again and serves a one year suspension and Wheaton becomes that much more important.
 
Cut Pouncey to hamstring your cap, overpay Gay and Weddle...Coach your making Tombert seem genius. Make the offense worse and overpay for aging defenders, I couldn't even digest the mock material as I had to go to the bathroom to evacuate the puke from my mouth.

Keep Cortez then?

My 1 move would to be picking up the phone and seeing if we could get Marty Hurney (sp?) on the payroll as a draft quality control consultant since Tombert is here for awhile.
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Cut Pouncey to hamstring your cap, overpay Gay and Weddle...Coach your making Tombert seem genius. Make the offense worse and overpay for aging defenders, I couldn't even digest the mock material as I had to go to the bathroom to evacuate the puke from my mouth.

Keep Cortez then?

My 1 move would to be picking up the phone and seeing if we could get Marty Hurney (sp?) on the payroll as a draft quality control consultant since Tombert is here for awhile.
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oh yeah, cut Cortez and save 4.4M of his 5.75M cap hit
 
SteelerAl said:
You have to keep Wheaton because we need our offense to be elite. And remember, Martavis is one small mistake away from missing the entire 2016 season (how quickly we forget).
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Right. They kept Sanders when the team didn't look like a potential favorite to win because it gave them the best chance at success the next season. No way they trade Wheaton unless they have a equal or better replacement in hand.
 
wig said:
While I have been known to be a bit down on Pouncey, I expect we can do better than a 5th for him as well.

I'd like to think so anyway. Course that cap hit is the killer. That's the thing that is getting in the way of my eternal happiness.
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Man, you really beat down unrelentingly on a guy who has played like an All-Pro every time he's been healthy enough to play for us and has just been unlucky with players falling / diving onto his ankles / knees. He lost an entire season because DeCastro inexplicably cut block him right at the knees...why not share some of your "love" with DeCastro? Is it the "Free Hernandez" thing or what?
 
Cope said:
Only after june 1st, which means, he'll have one more camp to prove himself.
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Not necessarily. They could cut him now with the "June 1st" designation. It doesn't save much money until June 1st, but if they've decided to move on from him they may just give him more time to find work elsewhere.
 
Troglodyte said:
Trading Wheaton for a 3rd is silly. The odds of a 3rd rounder coming in and being a better player (especially in his rookie year) are not good. I would say there are much greater odds that Bryant tests positive again and serves a one year suspension and Wheaton becomes that much more important.
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I agree that the chances a 3rd round pick performs better than Wheaton next season are low - exceedingly low. However, you are not being fair on comparing value. I think that the point is a 3rd round pick, producing for 4 seasons at reasonable cost, is likely to outproduce Wheaton's production for one season, at better value.
 
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