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So what are your thoughts on Olave

SteelerInLebanon said:
Rooster cuts downs? We just traded a cocksure strutting rooster we don't need another.

Here they come to snuff the rooster, ahh yeah
Yeah, here come the rooster, yeah
You know he ain't gonna die
No, no, no, you know he ain't gonna die
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Love me some Alice in Chains
 
The Steelers already have their #2 receiver and his name is Muth. They also have their 3&4 receivers on roster.

All this hand wringing is stupid. The bigger concern, BY FAR, is do they have a serviceable QB to get them the ball or even a HC willing to let him throw the ball to them?
 
MT~Forged said:
The Steelers already have their #2 receiver and his name is Muth. They also have their 3&4 receivers on roster.

All this hand wringing is stupid. The bigger concern, BY FAR, is do they have a serviceable QB to get them the ball or even a HC willing to let him throw the ball to them?
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Muth a 2?
That’s a tall ask for a team that still thinks the middle of the field is lava.

Would love to see Muth earn that check tho
 
3rd
5th
6th

if more is asked
Plan B
Sign Gabe davis 2 years 8 mill incentives that can bring up to 12 mill
sign Keanin Allen 1 year 4.4 mill
sign Cobb 1 vet min

if your starter is A rod or you trade for Kirk both work out of the gun mostly and you use many 4 and 5 wr sets you can create the mismatches with say
X DK
SE Davis
slot Allen in bunch
Muth mid to slot and Cobb/Wilson in slot running a deep cross or dig
 
F83 said:
3rd
5th
6th

if more is asked
Plan B
Sign Gabe davis 2 years 8 mill incentives that can bring up to 12 mill
sign Keanin Allen 1 year 4.4 mill
sign Cobb 1 vet min

if your starter is A rod or you trade for Kirk both work out of the gun mostly and you use many 4 and 5 wr sets you can create the mismatches with say
X DK
SE Davis
slot Allen in bunch
Muth mid to slot and Cobb/Wilson in slot running a deep cross or dig
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Not sure what the 3rd, 4th, and 5th signify but the Steelers aren’t trading away high draft capital. They might part with a 5th or 6th at best IMO. If that is what you meant…

Other than that flood the room sure. But for me I want that one option that go across from DK without missing a beat.
 
Fiji Mariner said:
Muth a 2?
That’s a tall ask for a team that still thinks the middle of the field is lava.

Would love to see Muth earn that check tho
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This whole Tomlin Doctrine of avoiding the MOF because "that's where turnovers happen" and "Don't Kill Us" with the QBs has become the single most fly in the ointment and stench following him. 30 years ago the MOF was reserved for big receivers like Sterling Sharpe, Michael Irvin, Al Toon, Jerry Rice-types whereas now you can send your 5'10 185 lb WR across the middle knowing he can't get rocked without a flag. The league is built to use this part of the field.

Tomlin has done inversely what only heretofore Deion could do to NFL offenses -- he has taken away 1/3 of the field or more for the defense in his zeal to shorten the games, limit tipped passes and turnovers, keep first half timeouts in his pocket, and scratch out 16-15 victories in the 4th quarter.

Unless Tomlin shows signs of change this year on this front, it's going to be again the same show every week regardless of QB and the biggest reason he should be fired as philosophically he's an anachronism and ill-suited for modern football.

He's the overarching and ever-present buzz-kill for any seeming progress with coaching or personnel additions. Nothing changes unless Tomlin himself evolves. Little evidence that will happen.
 
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SojournerSteel said:
This whole Tomlin Doctrine of avoiding the MOF because "that's where turnovers happen" and "Don't Kill Us" with the QBs has become the single most fly in the ointment and stench following him. 30 years ago the MOF was reserved for big receivers like Sterling Sharpe, Michael Irvin, Al Toon, Jerry Rice-types whereas now you can send your 5'10 185 lb WR across the middle knowing he can't get rocked without a flag. The league is built to use this part of the field.

Tomlin has done inversely what only hererofore Deion could do to NFL offenses -- he has taken away 1/3 of the field or more for the defense in his zeal to shorten the games, limit tipped passes and turnovers, keep first half timeouts in his pocket, and scratch out 16-15 victories in the 4th quarter.

Unless Tomlin shows signs of change this year on this front, it's going to be again the same show every week regardless of QB and the biggest reason he should be fired as philosophically he's an anachronism and ill-suited for modern football.

He's the overarching and ever-present buzz-kill for any seeming progress with coaching or personnel additions. Nothing changes unless Tomlin himself evolves. Little evidence that will happen.
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SojournerSteel said:
This whole Tomlin Doctrine of avoiding the MOF because "that's where turnovers happen" and "Don't Kill Us" with the QBs has become the single most fly in the ointment and stench following him. 30 years ago the MOF was reserved for big receivers like Sterling Sharpe, Michael Irvin, Al Toon, Jerry Rice-types whereas now you can send your 5'10 185 lb WR across the middle knowing he can't get rocked without a flag. The league is built to use this part of the field.

Tomlin has done inversely what only hererofore Deion could do to NFL offenses -- he has taken away 1/3 of the field or more for the defense in his zeal to shorten the games, limit tipped passes and turnovers, keep first half timeouts in his pocket, and scratch out 16-15 victories in the 4th quarter.

Unless Tomlin shows signs of change this year on this front, it's going to be again the same show every week regardless of QB and the biggest reason he should be fired as philosophically he's an anachronism and ill-suited for modern football.

He's the overarching and ever-present buzz-kill for any seeming progress with coaching or personnel additions. Nothing changes unless Tomlin himself evolves. Little evidence that will happen.
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Omg. Dude that's a beautiful piece of writing.
 
SojournerSteel said:
This whole Tomlin Doctrine of avoiding the MOF because "that's where turnovers happen" and "Don't Kill Us" with the QBs has become the single most fly in the ointment and stench following him. 30 years ago the MOF was reserved for big receivers like Sterling Sharpe, Michael Irvin, Al Toon, Jerry Rice-types whereas now you can send your 5'10 185 lb WR across the middle knowing he can't get rocked without a flag. The league is built to use this part of the field.

Tomlin has done inversely what only hererofore Deion could do to NFL offenses -- he has taken away 1/3 of the field or more for the defense in his zeal to shorten the games, limit tipped passes and turnovers, keep first half timeouts in his pocket, and scratch out 16-15 victories in the 4th quarter.

Unless Tomlin shows signs of change this year on this front, it's going to be again the same show every week regardless of QB and the biggest reason he should be fired as philosophically he's an anachronism and ill-suited for modern football.

He's the overarching and ever-present buzz-kill for any seeming progress with coaching or personnel additions. Nothing changes unless Tomlin himself evolves. Little evidence that will happen.
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Great post, and the problem is exacerbated because the owner shares his philosophy. They’re so obsessed with a high floor that they’ve capped the ceiling. And the worst part is that they do a similar thing on defense — rush four, hang back in cover-2, prevent the big play. They played nickel vs. the Ravens heavy set and got gashed for 300 yards rushing, but hey, nobody got behind the defense for a big pass play! This is why they’re put in a blender by any coordinator who can scheme.

Tomlin knows what loses games, not what wins them.
 
WindyCitySteel said:
Great post, and the problem is exacerbated because the owner shares his philosophy. They’re so obsessed with a high floor that they’ve capped the ceiling. And the worst part is that they do a similar thing on defense — rush four, hang back in cover-2, prevent the big play. They played nickel vs. the Ravens heavy set and got gashed for 300 yards rushing, but hey, nobody got behind the defense for a big pass play! This is why they’re put in a blender by any coordinator who can scheme.

Tomlin knows what loses games, not what wins them.
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Exactly! As I was writing that was also thinking about the stale defensive schemes also brought to us by HCMT!
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
Omg. Dude that's a beautiful piece of writing.
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Thanks, appreciate that sometimes we just need an outlet for our frustrations watching the same movie every year. Brace yourself for the TC and OTA video leaks of how MT is a great leader of men and commands the room. He wins every offseason until the games start.
 
SojournerSteel said:
This whole Tomlin Doctrine of avoiding the MOF because "that's where turnovers happen" and "Don't Kill Us" with the QBs has become the single most fly in the ointment and stench following him. 30 years ago the MOF was reserved for big receivers like Sterling Sharpe, Michael Irvin, Al Toon, Jerry Rice-types whereas now you can send your 5'10 185 lb WR across the middle knowing he can't get rocked without a flag. The league is built to use this part of the field.

Tomlin has done inversely what only heretofore Deion could do to NFL offenses -- he has taken away 1/3 of the field or more for the defense in his zeal to shorten the games, limit tipped passes and turnovers, keep first half timeouts in his pocket, and scratch out 16-15 victories in the 4th quarter.

Unless Tomlin shows signs of change this year on this front, it's going to be again the same show every week regardless of QB and the biggest reason he should be fired as philosophically he's an anachronism and ill-suited for modern football.

He's the overarching and ever-present buzz-kill for any seeming progress with coaching or personnel additions. Nothing changes unless Tomlin himself evolves. Little evidence that will happen.
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Great post! This on O and his removal of Blitzburgh by only putting 2 DL in the game for way too many plays and rushing 4 with 2 smaller OLB's on the outside. I have never seen a team that can't get a yard on 4th or any down on O and then the D will give up the first down with a running play on 3rd and long. And, they can't stop the 4th and 1 plays either.
 
SojournerSteel said:
This whole Tomlin Doctrine of avoiding the MOF because "that's where turnovers happen" and "Don't Kill Us" with the QBs has become the single most fly in the ointment and stench following him. 30 years ago the MOF was reserved for big receivers like Sterling Sharpe, Michael Irvin, Al Toon, Jerry Rice-types whereas now you can send your 5'10 185 lb WR across the middle knowing he can't get rocked without a flag. The league is built to use this part of the field.

Tomlin has done inversely what only heretofore Deion could do to NFL offenses -- he has taken away 1/3 of the field or more for the defense in his zeal to shorten the games, limit tipped passes and turnovers, keep first half timeouts in his pocket, and scratch out 16-15 victories in the 4th quarter.

Unless Tomlin shows signs of change this year on this front, it's going to be again the same show every week regardless of QB and the biggest reason he should be fired as philosophically he's an anachronism and ill-suited for modern football.

He's the overarching and ever-present buzz-kill for any seeming progress with coaching or personnel additions. Nothing changes unless Tomlin himself evolves. Little evidence that will happen.
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This is only a recent development and is in response to the lack of quality at QB since 2019. It is a winning strategy more often than not in the regular season but has left us too beat up on defense by the post season. I get it but we need to move past it and trust a QB and OC.
 
SojournerSteel said:
Exactly! As I was writing that was also thinking about the stale defensive schemes also brought to us by HCMT!
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I for one can’t get enough of watching 2 DL try their best to stop an opponent in short yardage situations. That is one of the many ways Tomlin is operating on a whole other level with scheming. It’s bound to confuse the opponent one day and accidentally work. Maybe if the QB trips while turning around trying to execute the handoff?
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
This is only a recent development and is in response to the lack of quality at QB since 2019. It is a winning strategy more often than not in the regular season but has left us too beat up on defense by the post season. I get it but we need to move past it and trust a QB and OC.
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We've seen Tomlin micromanaging the defense going all the back to the end of the DL era if Keith Butler is to be believed. What if the strategy since 2019 is the way Tomlin actually prefers to play? He inherited prolific and dynamic Ben so he couldn't very well tell one of the most intuitive and gifted QBs in the history of the game not to throw in the MOF and "Don't kill us, 7." However, as soon as there was slippage from Ben we heard that Ben could not audible. Was this Canada or Tomlin?

The further the team has moved beyond Dick Lebeau and Big Ben and the training wheels on Tomlin at the start, the more control Tomlin has assumed with his literal 16-15 fingerprints on everything. This is the HC who didn't have a QB coach for "first round grade" Mason Rudolph if I recall.

There's no guarantee or even likelihood that Tomlin is going to revert back to a using all the field strategy with a promising young QB. If anything, he's likely to tell the new QB, "look, just don't kill us and let us lean on our defense."

Nothing to suggest he has the first clue about offense nor developing a QB. Thats OK if he's willing to defer and again be a CEO. Not likely though.
 
SojournerSteel said:
We've seen Tomlin micromanaging the defense going all the back to the end of the DL era if Keith Butler is to be believed. What if the strategy since 2019 is the way Tomlin actually prefers to play? He inherited prolific and dynamic Ben so he couldn't very well tell one of the most intuitive and gifted QBs in the history of the game not to throw in the MOF and "Don't kill us, 7." However, as soon as there was slippage from Ben we heard that Ben could not audible. Was this Canada or Tomlin?

The further the team has moved beyond Dick Lebeau and Big Ben and the training wheels on Tomlin at the start, the more control Tomlin has assumed with his literal 16-15 fingerprints on everything. This is the HC who didn't have a QB coach for "first round grade" Mason Rudolph if I recall.

There's no guarantee or even likelihood that Tomlin is going to revert back to a using all the field strategy with a promising young QB. If anything, he's likely to tell the new QB, "look, just don't kill us and let us lean on our defense."

Nothing to suggest he has the first clue about offense nor developing a QB. Thats OK if he's willing to defer and again be a CEO. Not likely though.
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Hard to say until we have a promising enough QB or A Aron back there. I would start slowly with a rookie and let it build. A artist n should have free rein if he is the guy.
 
SojournerSteel said:
We've seen Tomlin micromanaging the defense going all the back to the end of the DL era if Keith Butler is to be believed. What if the strategy since 2019 is the way Tomlin actually prefers to play? He inherited prolific and dynamic Ben so he couldn't very well tell one of the most intuitive and gifted QBs in the history of the game not to throw in the MOF and "Don't kill us, 7." However, as soon as there was slippage from Ben we heard that Ben could not audible. Was this Canada or Tomlin?

The further the team has moved beyond Dick Lebeau and Big Ben and the training wheels on Tomlin at the start, the more control Tomlin has assumed with his literal 16-15 fingerprints on everything. This is the HC who didn't have a QB coach for "first round grade" Mason Rudolph if I recall.

There's no guarantee or even likelihood that Tomlin is going to revert back to a using all the field strategy with a promising young QB. If anything, he's likely to tell the new QB, "look, just don't kill us and let us lean on our defense."

Nothing to suggest he has the first clue about offense nor developing a QB. Thats OK if he's willing to defer and again be a CEO. Not likely though.
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Tomlin inherited great assistants and leaders on both sides of the ball, but as he has accumulated power he’s become somewhat of a megalomaniac. I suspect he bristled at the commentary of some (like Bradshaw) that he was just a cheerleader and ever since has been out to prove his chops. Feels like his vision is to recreate the 2002 Bucs, game manager QB and dominant defense, namely a Tampa-2 defense.
 
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