So let's look at the melt-down...

[Superman]

FuckDeebo could have also replaced Vince in the middle. Why no bitching about that?

 

[Coryea]

FuckDeebo could have also replaced Vince in the middle. Why no bitching about that?

hahaha, I don't disagree, but we still had Shazier for most of that season. Hell they could've let Watt play inside by Shazier and put Harrison at ROLB. Watt played enough coverage anyways.

 

[Superman]

so, either way, we'd have our best 4 LBs on the field.
someone told me that was a stupid scheme and wouldn't solve anything.

 

[Troglodyte]

Here goes me gettin’ mines: add Martavius Bryant to the list.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Players like Tomlin..

If you are angling that Tomlin isn't wasting Ben's final years based on his want to return. I think that is a little short sighted. Ben isn't in a position to evaluate Tomlin nor should he try to.


He knows pain in the *** Haley is gone and he is happy with that. .He is happy with Fitch and perhaps that is really what is important to him that and retaining Pouncey.

I know the conclusion you are trying to make, but I feel in this instance you are reaching.

Tomlin made enough obvious bad decisions in his overall body of work that you should be able to understand others views even though you want him retained.

Personally I see nothing but participation trophies with him, and nobody should be shocked at this point if that is as good as it gets.

His decision making will need to improve for this team to go where we want them to go.

ADD in the fact he was the originator of the Rooney rule interview and hire. Like it or not............that does have something to do with him being retained. His short comings are well documented and any coach would be long gone if coaching any other team. Rooney composed the rule and hired and feel obligated to fulfill and maintain due to credibility of saID RULE among the many other shortfalls of said coach.





Salute the nation

 

[Vader]

and Tomlin dropped the hammer and sat his ***** *** in a very pivotal game for us.
so what would you have done at that point, and it did get to that point, so no sense in saying "I'd not let it get to that"

How did Tomlin "Drop the hammer"? He didn't suspend him. He sat him WITH PAY. Seriously. Tomlin could do a lot more but he doesn't do ****. He had to sit him the game because he'd look even more like a fool. BTW he didn't decide that until FRIDAY when he hadn't heard from him in what 2 ******* days? Hell he still would have let him play after missing all those practices. Yea, drop that hammer mike.. you're the new Thor.

 

[slashsteel]

Seems like he is in a significantly better position than any of us yahoos. Who else would be in a better position?

The owners, his bosses. The ones responsible for hiring and firing.

It isn't like you and I would know if Ben secretly wanted Tomlin gone anyways. He damn sure wouldn't bring team turmoil by saying it publicly.

**** he pumped Haley up like a saint..And he couldn't stand him.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

yeah, what belongs in the picture are their agents, managers, hangers-on who've clearly enabled their prima donna personalities and attitudes.

lol!

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

The owners, his bosses. The ones responsible for hiring and firing.

It isn't like you and I would know if Ben secretly wanted Tomlin gone anyways. He damn sure wouldn't bring team turmoil by saying it publicly.

**** he pumped Haley up like a saint..And he couldn't stand him.

Did the same with Antonio after he **** the bed for the last game.

 

[Superman]

How did Tomlin "Drop the hammer"? He didn't suspend him. He sat him WITH PAY. Seriously. Tomlin could do a lot more but he doesn't do ****. He had to sit him the game because he'd look even more like a fool. BTW he didn't decide that until FRIDAY when he hadn't heard from him in what 2 ******* days? Hell he still would have let him play after missing all those practices. Yea, drop that hammer mike.. you're the new Thor.

did the ************ show up?
did the ************ show up expecting to play?
did the ************ have his ******* jersey and pads in his locker ready to go?
did Tomlin let the ************ know he was going to NOT play before the ************ showed up?
did the ************ play?

and you want to ***** about Tomlin not suspending him without pay. As IF THAT would make a difference to AB. A few thousand bucks? Seriously, that's bitching just to *****. And, even IF Tomlin had suspended him, you'd be the first ***** on the board to ***** about Tomlin suspending AB in a very important game for us.

just stfu already.

constantly ******* bitching about this and that. nothing but a goddamn ***** on this board. if the sun came out of Tomlin's *** every day at 6am, you'd ***** that it wakes you before you can remove your tampon. you're nothing but a ******* ***** on this board and you've got to be one of the surliest ******* on the entire planet. it ******* sucks that we share the same team to root for. i'd put your ***** *** on ignore, as I'm sure others have done, but i'm a moderator and by rule I have to see your ******* bitchy ******* posts.

 

[Vader]

did the ************ show up?
did the ************ show up expecting to play?
did the ************ have his ******* jersey and pads in his locker ready to go?
did Tomlin let the ************ know he was going to NOT play before the ************ showed up?
did the ************ play?

and you want to ***** about Tomlin not suspending him without pay. As IF THAT would make a difference to AB. A few thousand bucks? Seriously, that's bitching just to *****. And, even IF Tomlin had suspended him, you'd be the first ***** on the board to ***** about Tomlin suspending AB in a very important game for us.

just stfu already.

constantly ******* bitching about this and that. nothing but a goddamn ***** on this board. if the sun came out of Tomlin's *** every day at 6am, you'd ***** that it wakes you before you can remove your tampon. you're nothing but a ******* ***** on this board and you've got to be one of the surliest ******* on the entire planet. it ******* sucks that we share the same team to root for. i'd put your ***** *** on ignore, as I'm sure others have done, but i'm a moderator and by rule I have to see your ******* bitchy ******* posts.

Isn't that what you're doing... bitching? Yes, he showed up. But NO he didn't show up expecting to play so ***** about that. He knew he wasn't going to play because his agent told him so.

You're just bitching about different things but still BITCHING!

So you can ban me MR. moderate or just shut the **** up. I don't care which. God damn you get your panties in a bunch like a ******* ***** all the time. Now I remember why I left this place for so long. Same circle jerks that think they ******* know everything and can't let a discussion go by without reminding people WHO"S DE BOSS. **** it.

 

[Superman]

Isn't that what you're doing... bitching? Yes, he showed up. But NO he didn't show up expecting to play so ***** about that. He knew he wasn't going to play because his agent told him so.

You're just bitching about different things but still BITCHING!

So you can ban me MR. moderate or just shut the **** up. I don't care which. God damn you get your panties in a bunch like a ******* ***** all the time. Now I remember why I left this place for so long. Same circle jerks that think they ******* know everything and can't let a discussion go by without reminding people WHO"S DE BOSS. **** it.

no, you ***** *** ************. Someone tries to have a ******* conversation on this board and if it doesn't meet your ******* bullshit criteria, you get all butt hurt. wail, whine and cry and if that doesn't work you just ***** incessantly. just as you do in every ******* thread you open and participate in.

Oh, AB did show up expecting to play. Why else would he show up? to be a consummate ******* teammate? It's been established already that he's a stat junkie and cares about AB, AB, AB. Much like your ***** *** only cares about Vader being right, Vader being taken seriously and Vader getting the last word in.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/1...roethlisberger-drama-locker-room-fight-injury

Dulac and Bouchette’s report also suggested Brown showed up to the locker room on Sunday morning expecting to play, only to be shut down by Tomlin.

but, wait. Vader said AB didn't show up expecting to play, since his ******* agent told him he wasn't. Seems to me AB's agent called Vader by mistake. Vader, AB, same egotistical douchebag.

No, I'm not going to ban you. You'd undoubtedly ***** a **** about that, if I did.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Why else would he show up? to be a consummate ******* teammate?

The whole story does not make sense. If Tomlin truly told AB's agent that playing "wasn't on the menu" why would AB show up expecting to play? Do you think Tomlin told his agent that and his agent never relayed that message to AB? Once again, I agree with Mark Schlereth who said on his show last week that Tomlin is a bad manager and a bad communicator. It didn't start with AB and I doubt that it ends with AB.

 

[Superman]

his agent called Vader.
same egotistical douchebag ***** *** **** ************.
end of ******* story

 

[Bluesteel]

EXACTLY
Diva or not, Brown probably was upset by the fact that JuJu got team MVP days after a fumble that cost the Steelers a game they needed to stay alive. JuJu has been great but he is no AB. That would piss me off if I was Brown, going against the top DB's in the league and getting doubled yet still putting up better numbers than JuJu, I would take that as a slap in the face as well.

Could interpret that another way.... everyone that has a clue about football, viewers, AB teammates can clearly see who the better player is, but as voted by their peers, the occupants of the locker room made a statement voting for JuJu. Pretty clear statement AB's teammates are sick of his "Me Me Me!" attitude, that has been going on a long, LONG time now.

The selfishness started poking it's ugly face out when AB was live streaming post game locker room. Ben doesn't have time to throw the ball to AB without the stellar play of the O-line, nor does Bell have the openings for his "patient" style of running. AB doesn't see single coverage EVER, without D's needing to account for Bell/JuJu/other WR's. Bell doesn't have empty boxes if teams aren't trying to double AB. JuJu doesn't get a lot of single coverage if not for AB being doubled frequently. Point being, they all, to a large degree are the sum of their parts and on another team, with lesser talent, AB doesn't put up the numbers he does, Bell doesn't either, JuJu doesn't develop as quickly in 2 short seasons, etc. etc. etc. But lesser talent can win with a team first, cohesive mentality and the role players in the locker room appear to be sending that message.

 

[ark steel]

Ummm yeah, and by far a better pass rusher, he went to New England and had more sacks in the couple games there than Dupree did all year here.

How many sacks did Harrison have with the *'s? 2?

2016 was the last year for whxih we have full data for deebo.

2016, deebo 5 sacks, 39 tackles, 9 tfl. Durpee 19 tackles 4.5 sacks 5 tfl.

Harrison had 295 more snaps played in 2016.

On a per play basis, for 2016 you could say deebo had .5% higher chance to get a tackle, .55% less likely chance to get a sack and .08% less chance to get a tfl.

Using buds 2 full years as a starter vs Harrison last year, bud is 2.8% less likely to get a tackle .15% less likely to get a sack and .31% less likely to get a tfl.

Those are pretty close. Note i only use Harrison last year as a starter because, due to his age, the prior years are, reasonably, less likely to be representative.

 

[IndySteel]

Coach Fistbump is not a leader. Period. He is one of the bros who can’t gameplan, cant control his locker room or make halftime adjustments and is afraid to offend his players. Cowher was a leader. This experiment has been a clear failure.

 

[Coryea]

How many sacks did Harrison have with the *'s? 2?

2016 was the last year for whxih we have full data for deebo.

2016, deebo 5 sacks, 39 tackles, 9 tfl. Durpee 19 tackles 4.5 sacks 5 tfl.

Harrison had 295 more snaps played in 2016.

On a per play basis, for 2016 you could say deebo had .5% higher chance to get a tackle, .55% less likely chance to get a sack and .08% less chance to get a tfl.

Using buds 2 full years as a starter vs Harrison last year, bud is 2.8% less likely to get a tackle .15% less likely to get a sack and .31% less likely to get a tfl.

Those are pretty close. Note i only use Harrison last year as a starter because, due to his age, the prior years are, reasonably, less likely to be representative.

It's safe to say in 2016, Harrison would get far more double teams/chips than Dupree did.
Yes pure stats it's close, but there's no stat for setting the edge in the running game, something Harrison is extremely good at and something Dupree sucked at, see the Bears game and Jax game especially in 2017, their success came running to our defenses left.

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[Vader]

his agent called Vader.
same egotistical douchebag ***** *** **** ************.
end of ******* story

You ******* ***** *** moron. Yea, AB expected to play AFTER Tomlin told him it wasn't on the table. Are you calling your God a liar. Stupid ****** retard. Damn you are so ******* stupid it hurts. But I'm sure YOU know exactly what happened because AB HIMSELF called you stupid ***** *** right? Maybe Rooney called your dumb ***?

 

[Superman]

You ******* ***** *** moron. Yea, AB expected to play AFTER Tomlin told him it wasn't on the table. Are you calling your God a liar. Stupid ****** retard. Damn you are so ******* stupid it hurts. But I'm sure YOU know exactly what happened because AB HIMSELF called you stupid ***** *** right? Maybe Rooney called your dumb ***?

I quoted an article where the Steelers beat writers both said AB expected to play.
You were wrong.
WRONG, ************. WRONG.

 

[Vader]

I quoted an article where the Steelers beat writers both said AB expected to play.
You were wrong.
WRONG, ************. WRONG.

And I quote the ******* coach you're always defending..
So you're wrong ************ just WRONG

 

[Superman]

And I quote the ******* coach you're always defending..
So you're wrong ************ just WRONG

I'm not defending Tomlin. I've clearly and repeatedly said to fire him for what he's done or not done. But to throw **** on him for **** just because you cant get your tampon out is childish and bitchy. Much like you are, 24/7. A childish, bitchy ************.

 

[topseed]

How many sacks did Harrison have with the *'s? 2?

2016 was the last year for whxih we have full data for deebo.

2016, deebo 5 sacks, 39 tackles, 9 tfl. Durpee 19 tackles 4.5 sacks 5 tfl.

Harrison had 295 more snaps played in 2016.

On a per play basis, for 2016 you could say deebo had .5% higher chance to get a tackle, .55% less likely chance to get a sack and .08% less chance to get a tfl.

Using buds 2 full years as a starter vs Harrison last year, bud is 2.8% less likely to get a tackle .15% less likely to get a sack and .31% less likely to get a tfl.

Those are pretty close. Note i only use Harrison last year as a starter because, due to his age, the prior years are, reasonably, less likely to be representative.

So, albeit slightly, Harrison was still better in all three of your categories there. Yet, he was unceremoniously inactivated on game days, subsequently released, and Tomlin's boy Dupree has remained a starter to this day...while still utilizing his one ineffective outside rush move 94.3% (my own conservative estimate) of the time.

 

[DBS1970]

I'm not defending Tomlin. I've clearly and repeatedly said to fire him for what he's done or not done. But to throw **** on him for **** just because you cant get your tampon out is childish and bitchy. Much like you are, 24/7. A childish, bitchy ************.

Sure seems like you are defending Mikey Sunglasses to me Supe.

 

[Superman]

Sure seems like you are defending Mikey Sunglasses to me Supe.

not at all.
there's 49 other guys on the roster not acting like spoiled *******. why is that? why does Tomlin have to prod and coach up the other three who can't be men? we've said here, on this very board, that if a player can't "get themselves up for" a game, then something is wrong with them. To put that into play here, if these ******* can't act like the professionals they're being paid to be, then what's wrong with them? Why does Tomlin, or anyone, really, need to hand-hold these mouthbreathing retards and get them to not piss on themselves? To just bash Tomlin to no end for the conduct of these ******* is just stupid and lame. Tomlin can't be in their heads telling them right from wrong. That's a personal issue they have.