Senior Bowl Thread

[tapeANaspirin2it]

In case you didn't know, the Senior Bowl is today, Sat 1/25 at 2:30 on NFL Network.


Penn State has a couple of guys who are possibilities for the Steelers in later rounds

DT Robert Windsor 6'4 285. He'd be a DE in the 3-4. High motor. Good at shooting gaps.

OLB Cam Brown 6'5 219. Tall and long arms. Thin. Interesting developmental guy for 3-4 OLB. He probably would have been a DE at a lot of schools but Penn State had depth there so he played LB. Some team will draft him due to his length.


The QB to watch is Utah State's Jordan Love. Why? Because Oregon's Justin Herbert won't be available in round 2 and Shea Patterson, Steven Montez and Jalen Hurts suck. Wash State QB Anthony Gordon is also there. He's a possible later round guy. Jordan Love is raw but he looks like the only QB in this bunch that I'd take in round 3.

 

[slashsteel]

Thanks for the reminder get off at 245 so will definitely be watching.

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[TDX27]

Thanks for the reminder but no way in heck we take a QB in this draft. Not a chance unless Tua fell to us in round 2 and that ain't happening as recent mocks have him going top 10.

 

[F83]

She Patterson is going to the bad version of Ryan Tannahill from Miami such a lousy qb so muchy talent around him his accuracy was as bad as Mason

 

[Coach]

In case you didn't know, the Senior Bowl is today, Sat 1/25 at 2:30 on NFL Network.


Penn State has a couple of guys who are possibilities for the Steelers in later rounds

DT Robert Windsor 6'4 285. He'd be a DE in the 3-4. High motor. Good at shooting gaps.

OLB Cam Brown 6'5 219. Tall and long arms. Thin. Interesting developmental guy for 3-4 OLB. He probably would have been a DE at a lot of schools but Penn State had depth there so he played LB. Some team will draft him due to his length.


The QB to watch is Utah State's Jordan Love. Why? Because Oregon's Justin Herbert won't be available in round 2 and Shea Patterson, Steven Montez and Jalen Hurts suck. Wash State QB Anthony Gordon is also there. He's a possible later round guy. Jordan Love is raw but he looks like the only QB in this bunch that I'd take in round 3.

Love is very inaccurate and mistake prone. Pass

Gordon was productive. I wonder if his arm is good enough. Worth a gamble in Round 4


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[Troglodyte]

I heard some concerning stats about Herberts play against teams with good pass defenses that make me question his potential.

I’ve never been a fan of tall 3-4 OLB, always think of Alonzo Jackson.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

I heard some concerning stats about Herberts play against teams with good pass defenses that make me question his potential.

I’ve never been a fan of tall 3-4 OLB, always think of Alonzo Jackson.

T.J. Watt is 6'5"
Bud Dupree is 6'4"
What would concern me more about the Penn St. kid is that he's so light.

 

[SteelerFan448]

She Patterson is going to the bad version of Ryan Tannahill from Miami such a lousy qb so muchy talent around him his accuracy was as bad as Mason

Unless he improves, Patterson is nothing more than a camp arm right now.

 

[CoolieMan]

I hear there is a OT out of UH that is pretty good

 

[Muddler]

Having seen Gordon from Wazoo several times I would definitely pass. Just doesn't impress me much and a product of Leach's Air Raid system - short quick passes with RAC. Myself, I'm not giving up on Jalen Hurts yet. I can't discount the fact that he is a proven winner at two serious football factories. Good mobility and arm strength, needs some work on consistent accuracy but if he falls to a spot where picking him makes sense I wouldn't be adverse to the pick. Don't think we will take a QB however - limited picks and more pressing needs.

 

[F83]

what aboy the ohio ST LB Tuff Borland

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

i kind of like the Vanderbilt TE Jared Pinkney. Vandy used him split out a lot but he also blocked quite a bit. They would split him out then throw the WR screen to his side while he blocks. He was pretty good at finidng guys to block in space. I didn't watch a ton of him but he seemed to do a decent job blocking DEs on the line as well. As a receiver, he didn't look like a gamebreaker but he ws pretty solid. He could play from day 1 as a #2 TE and could develop into a good starter.

It's really tough to find a complete TE these days. Colleges either barely use them or they use them like a WR. So many of them are light.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I don't think the steelers will take a QB this year aside from a late round developmental guy. I mean like round 6. The only way i see them taking a guy higher than that is if they see a talented prospect that fell. Round 2 pick will have to be for a guy who can contribute, not a developmental guy. The earliest i could see them taking a QB is RD 3. That's why i noted Jordan Love because he does have the physical tools to possibly be a really good QB but he'll be a project.

I'm guessing Jalen Hurts will go before round 3 and even if he lasts until 3, i'd rather take a shot on Jordan Love. Hurts started quite a few games for really good teams with lots of weapons. He didn't really get better. I'd rather roll the dice on an raw guy.

 

[bermudasteel]

In case you didn't know, the Senior Bowl is today, Sat 1/25 at 2:30 on NFL Network.


Penn State has a couple of guys who are possibilities for the Steelers in later rounds

DT Robert Windsor 6'4 285. He'd be a DE in the 3-4. High motor. Good at shooting gaps.

OLB Cam Brown 6'5 219. Tall and long arms. Thin. Interesting developmental guy for 3-4 OLB. He probably would have been a DE at a lot of schools but Penn State had depth there so he played LB. Some team will draft him due to his length.


The QB to watch is Utah State's Jordan Love. Why? Because Oregon's Justin Herbert won't be available in round 2 and Shea Patterson, Steven Montez and Jalen Hurts suck. Wash State QB Anthony Gordon is also there. He's a possible later round guy. Jordan Love is raw but he looks like the only QB in this bunch that I'd take in round 3.

LOL @ Jalen Hurts sucks...[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

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[bermudasteel]

Having seen Gordon from Wazoo several times I would definitely pass. Just doesn't impress me much and a product of Leach's Air Raid system - short quick passes with RAC. Myself, I'm not giving up on Jalen Hurts yet. I can't discount the fact that he is a proven winner at two serious football factories. Good mobility and arm strength, needs some work on consistent accuracy but if he falls to a spot where picking him makes sense I wouldn't be adverse to the pick. Don't think we will take a QB however - limited picks and more pressing needs.

Thank you. You beat me to it...

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[bermudasteel]

I don't think the steelers will take a QB this year aside from a late round developmental guy. I mean like round 6. The only way i see them taking a guy higher than that is if they see a talented prospect that fell. Round 2 pick will have to be for a guy who can contribute, not a developmental guy. The earliest i could see them taking a QB is RD 3. That's why i noted Jordan Love because he does have the physical tools to possibly be a really good QB but he'll be a project.

I'm guessing Jalen Hurts will go before round 3 and even if he lasts until 3, i'd rather take a shot on Jordan Love. Hurts started quite a few games for really good teams with lots of weapons. He didn't really get better. I'd rather roll the dice on an raw guy.

Jaylen is better than Rudy and Duck right now. Period.

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[KStilley]

I hear there is a OT out of UH that is pretty good

After your previous props for Jones in another thread, I noticed Bucky Brooks and others raving about this kid during senior bowl practice. Also noticed he's getting more ink. He's definitely a riser and with a strong combine will unfortunately be long gone by our 1st pick. But kudos for bringing him to my attention before the bandwagon assembled.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Here's the thing with Hurts. From the moment Tua took his spot, he started working on things like accuracy and touch. That work showed up this year at Oklahoma. So, to say he didn't get better, in my opinion, isn't entirely accurate. He got better. But some folks won't see past the early part of his career when he was primarily a running weapon and secondarily a passing option. Also, with Hurts, you have a guy who didn't complain when he lost his job but went to work on his deficiencies. To me that's a guy who has shown leadership and a team first mentality when the chips were down for him personally. Not a peep of disruptive behavior. Work ethic? Check. Talent? Check. Maturity? Check.
If he were available in the third, I'd be happy to have him.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I'm more concerned with the part where Hurts stares down option 1 and if he's covered, he doesn't know what to do and takes off running. That is where he didn't improve.

Rudolph is better. He can read a defense. Hurts does give you the running option but that's all.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

I'm more concerned with the part where Hurts stares down option 1 and if he's covered, he doesn't know what to do and takes off running. That is where he didn't improve.

Rudolph is better. He can read a defense. Hurts does give you the running option but that's all.

Rudolph "GOT" better at reading a defense. He wasn't all that great at the beginning of the year. One read and a dump off to the RB. You can teach a coachable QB to read defenses better. They can even improve pocket awareness. (Rudolph needs this). You can't teach mobility. Now, I'm not saying that Hurts should be their pick in the 3rd if available. But, I am saying, I wouldn't be opposed to it either. In fact, if a good one drops, they should definitely get some young competition in there to press Rudolph. If "iron sharpens iron" at every other position, it's worth taking that approach to Ben's backup too.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I just don't think Hurts is great at anything. His arm is average. His accuracy is hit or miss. His running is average too. He does OK vs college defenses but he's not all that fast or elusive and I don't think he'd be a weapon with his legs. I see Josh Dobbs who i actually liked as a 6th rounder. I don't see investing a 3 in Hurts.

Jordan Love has much better arm talent. If i'm investing a high pick, I'm going for a guy with big upside.

Justin Herbert looks too robotic to me. He does check each box with arm talent and size and mobility but he doesn't look natural. He's a thrower not a passer.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

I just don't think Hurts is great at anything. His arm is average. His accuracy is hit or miss. His running is average too. He does OK vs college defenses but he's not all that fast or elusive and I don't think he'd be a weapon with his legs. I see Josh Dobbs who i actually liked as a 6th rounder. I don't see investing a 3 in Hurts.

Jordan Love has much better arm talent. If i'm investing a high pick, I'm going for a guy with big upside.

Justin Herbert looks too robotic to me. He does check each box with arm talent and size and mobility but he doesn't look natural. He's a thrower not a passer.

Fair enough.
I gotta tell you though, I don't think Love will be there in rounds 2 or 3. From all I've read, he's increased his stock this week and a good combine could push him up into round 1.

 

[Vader]

I have to agree with Tape on this one. If Hurt couldn't scramble nobody would think about drafting him in the 3rd round... or at all. I've seen almost every snap the kid has taken at Bama and OU. He, like other OU QBs will do good against over matched college programs. But he isn't an NFL QB IMHO. And I love the guy's personality and leadership. But he doesn't have the tools to be an NFL QB.

Also if the Steelers take a QB this year they are out of their minds IMHO. They don't have a 1st, have a late 3rd (basically 4th round) and need help at a lot of positions. I don't see them giving up on Rudy plus you still have Ben for 2 years or more.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

I have to agree with Tape on this one. If Hurt couldn't scramble nobody would think about drafting him in the 3rd round... or at all. I've seen almost every snap the kid has taken at Bama and OU. He, like other OU QBs will do good against over matched college programs. But he isn't an NFL QB IMHO. And I love the guy's personality and leadership. But he doesn't have the tools to be an NFL QB.

Also if the Steelers take a QB this year they are out of their minds IMHO. They don't have a 1st, have a late 3rd (basically 4th round) and need help at a lot of positions. I don't see them giving up on Rudy plus you still have Ben for 2 years or more.

Assuming Ben comes back at even 90% of what he was. We only have him for 2 more years. I'm not a "the sky is falling" type of guy, but I sure wouldn't be putting all my eggs in the Mason Rudolph basket. That said, you're absolutely right in your evaluation of what they should be looking at in this year's draft. QB would be an unaffordable luxury.

 

[slashsteel]

Assuming Ben comes back at even 90% of what he was. We only have him for 2 more years. I'm not a "the sky is falling" type of guy, but I sure wouldn't be putting all my eggs in the Mason Rudolph basket. That said, you're absolutely right in your evaluation of what they should be looking at in this year's draft. QB would be an unaffordable luxury.

I wouldn't put all my eggs in a basket but the draft wouldn't be my QB pathway. Simply a vet should be the only option.. bring in some Rudolph competition.

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