Rookies make rookie mistakes

[madinsomniac]

Yes our secondary has been better than we expected. We have no real pass rush yet and heyward and shazier must be healthy... The d will be fine the second half

 

[Superman]

Mistakes happen, but must be balanced by positives. When we win few seem to care, when we lose its more of an issue.

most people learn from their mistakes.
the only way you make mistakes to learn from is to be in position to commit them.

maybe towards the end of the season and beyond we'll be rewarded with the learning curve from these mistakes.

until then, fap to Chickillo's single tackle contribution and lament over us not drafting some other guy.

 

[Stryker]

Tuitt was also playing on a hurt ankle, so he wasn't 100% yesterday.

 

[Coach]

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...kowski-torched-pittsburghs-second-half-hopes/

Burns makes a mistake which leads to Davis making a mistake. Which leaves to golden being left alone on Gronk. Have to hope the growing pains don't last long

Carnell Lake Says Golden Responsible For Gronkowski TD! Also says Davis did his job.

" “They caught us in a defense. He was doing what he was supposed to do.” "

So our coaches felt it was wise to let Golden cover Gronk? Not impressed. Gronk demands a double coverage or player to chip him at the LOS.


http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...l-lake-says-golden-responsible-gronkowski-td/

 

[Ike Kelly]

Carnell Lake Says Golden Responsible For Gronkowski TD! Also says Davis did his job.

" “They caught us in a defense. He was doing what he was supposed to do.” "

So our coaches felt it was wise to let Golden cover Gronk? Not impressed. Gronk demands a double coverage or player to chip him at the LOS.


http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN ...l-lake-says-golden-responsible-gronkowski-td/

Coach, read the entire article, Lake said it was a tough assignment but it was a play for Golden to make. So assignment sound play can usually result in successful execution. However, Golden was working with the back end with 2 rookies. Lets forget the fact Gronk is an perennial All-Pro, so can we give him credit as well?

And if you look at the gif he had underneath double coverage, but ran a go route. Plus who do you chip him with on a 5 wide set?

You crucify the rookies, then Golden and now coaches....all in one thread? My word, why are we even watching the games? According to you and your agenda, this is the most dysfunctional organization in the entire league. Its tiresome....

 

[Coach]

Coach, read the entire article, Lake said it was a tough assignment but it was a play for Golden to make. So assignment sound play can usually result in successful execution. However, Golden was working with the back end with 2 rookies. Lets forget the fact Gronk is an perennial All-Pro, so can we give him credit as well?

And if you look at the gif he had underneath double coverage, but ran a go route. Plus who do you chip him with on a 5 wide set?

You crucify the rookies, then Golden and now coaches....all in one thread? My word, why are we even watching the games? According to you and your agenda, this is the most dysfunctional organization in the entire league. Its tiresome....

I felt the Steelers should watch out for Gronk and not try to cover him one on one ( Especially deep ), which is what happened here. Yet it went down that way and the play broke our backs. A top coach tries to limit these type of plays by making sure it does not happen. The Steelers stared down the barrel of a gun. Brady licked his chops.

This was posted because someone was blaming the rookies. According to Lake, Davis did his responsibility on that play.

You nailed the last part. Poor coaching. Oh sure, let one of our safeties try to cover Gronk by himself in the deep middle ignoring his history of success against the team.

# &hit for brains

I think this game will have future repercussions this season because it exposed our lack of run defense in the nickel, which is what we like to play. Go back to the 3-4? The Run D might be better, but the pass rush if possible would be even worse. Getting Heyward back will help, but the secret is out, exposed this time by a player Tomlin cut.

PS: I do not think the Steelers are the worst coached team in the NFL, but I do think with a better head coach we do not lose as often to doormats and put ourselves in the worst possible assignment to limit the other team's big play. I highly doubt you'll acknowledge these points and give a nod to the bad coaching. We'll see.. It might take a losing season for that to happen.

 

[Ike Kelly]

I felt the Steelers should watch out for Gronk and not try to cover him one on one ( Especially deep ), which is what happened here. Yet it went down that way and the play broke our backs. A top coach tries to limit these type of plays by making sure it does not happen. The Steelers stared down the barrel of a gun. Brady licked his chops.

This was posted because someone was blaming the rookies. According to Lake, Davis did his responsibility on that play.

You nailed the last part. Poor coaching. Oh sure, let one of our safeties try to cover Gronk by himself in the deep middle ignoring his history of success against the team.

# &hit for brains

I think this game will have future repercussions this season because it exposed our lack of run defense in the nickel, which is what we like to play. Go back to the 3-4? The Run D might be better, but the pass rush if possible would be even worse. Getting Heyward back will help, but the secret is out, exposed this time by a player Tomlin cut.

PS: I do not think the Steelers are the worst coached team in the NFL, but I do think with a better head coach we do not lose as often to doormats and put ourselves in the worst possible assignment to limit the other team's big play. I highly doubt you'll acknowledge these points and give a nod to the bad coaching. We'll see.. It might take a losing season for that to happen.

Filtered lenses. I never stated poor coaching. YOU are blaming poor coaching, when execution of the play falls on the player. Coaches coach, players play. If you look at the actual gif, and Tunch Ilkin brought this up, Golden wasn't assignment sound on this coverage. He got turned on the opposite hip and lost his positioning. That is on the PLAYER, not the coach. The player has to execute. The coach tells him how. Ignoring his history of success against the team, listen to yourself Coach. What team has Gronk NOT had a history of success to? He will probably become a future HOF, if he stays healthy....a'la Tony Gonzalez. Who burned Pittsburgh, when the likes of Clark and Polamalu and a top defense was producing.

Future repercussions? Lack of run defense in the nickel? Heyward has been out (the defense's best player), Before the last two losses, the defense was holding their own on rushing. Obviously those wins allowed less rushes, but that is the premise of this defense, STOP the RUN, force the PASS. Its been the philosophy since Cowher took over. It is the same today.

Worst possible assignments to limit the other teams big play? You are reaching. Two plays Gronk won the match up. How many down distance plays he didn't? He was covered pretty well in the first half, but NE changed their plan and attacked what was given, rushes. That opened up the pass for the TE's......Golden is the starting safety, That was his assignment he blew (both of the scoring plays), he didn't execute according to the DB coach. If we had a HOF safety, maybe its a PD, or even a pick.

Oh and you are so wrong acknowledging coaching decisions.....I guess if you were an Atlanta fan, you would be wanting Dan Quinn's head on a platter. He made a decision based upon how he felt about his players. If I was a player, I would appreciate that. Do I agree with either of their decisions (Quinn's or Tomlins) on those plays. Not necessarily, but I can understand why they made their decision. Its easy to be arm chair and hindsighting every decision, but you have no idea what goes on in the heat of the moment with all the variables at that level of play. But by all means, keep justifying your opinions based on what YOU believe. Which can be at times narrow focused.

There are numerous times I shake my head at Tomlin's decisions....but he's been more successful than not. So either I can cheer on teams like 80% of the league who rotate coaches, or have coaches that don't succeed and still keep their jobs, or ACKNOWLEDGE that this coach/GM/ownership keeps this team competitive and routinely in the playoffs every year.

I await your response about winning with Cowher's players....which is comedic in itself. Cowher had Chuck's players and won.....so I guess he rode his coat tail as you imply Tomlin has with Cowher.

 

[Coach]

Filtered lenses. I never stated poor coaching. YOU are blaming poor coaching, when execution of the play falls on the player. Coaches coach, players play. If you look at the actual gif, and Tunch Ilkin brought this up, Golden wasn't assignment sound on this coverage. He got turned on the opposite hip and lost his positioning. That is on the PLAYER, not the coach. The player has to execute. The coach tells him how. Ignoring his history of success against the team, listen to yourself Coach. What team has Gronk NOT had a history of success to? He will probably become a future HOF, if he stays healthy....a'la Tony Gonzalez. Who burned Pittsburgh, when the likes of Clark and Polamalu and a top defense was producing.

Future repercussions? Lack of run defense in the nickel? Heyward has been out (the defense's best player), Before the last two losses, the defense was holding their own on rushing. Obviously those wins allowed less rushes, but that is the premise of this defense, STOP the RUN, force the PASS. Its been the philosophy since Cowher took over. It is the same today.

Worst possible assignments to limit the other teams big play? You are reaching. Two plays Gronk won the match up. How many down distance plays he didn't? He was covered pretty well in the first half, but NE changed their plan and attacked what was given, rushes. That opened up the pass for the TE's......Golden is the starting safety, That was his assignment he blew (both of the scoring plays), he didn't execute according to the DB coach. If we had a HOF safety, maybe its a PD, or even a pick.

Oh and you are so wrong acknowledging coaching decisions.....I guess if you were an Atlanta fan, you would be wanting Dan Quinn's head on a platter. He made a decision based upon how he felt about his players. If I was a player, I would appreciate that. Do I agree with either of their decisions (Quinn's or Tomlins) on those plays. Not necessarily, but I can understand why they made their decision. Its easy to be arm chair and hindsighting every decision, but you have no idea what goes on in the heat of the moment with all the variables at that level of play. But by all means, keep justifying your opinions based on what YOU believe. Which can be at times narrow focused.

There are numerous times I shake my head at Tomlin's decisions....but he's been more successful than not. So either I can cheer on teams like 80% of the league who rotate coaches, or have coaches that don't succeed and still keep their jobs, or ACKNOWLEDGE that this coach/GM/ownership keeps this team competitive and routinely in the playoffs every year.

I await your response about winning with Cowher's players....which is comedic in itself. Cowher had Chuck's players and won.....so I guess he rode his coat tail as you imply Tomlin has with Cowher.

I blame poor coaching when down 11 points in the 4th quarter, and going for a 54 yard FG on a day when your kicks are off.

I blame poor coaching asking any of our safties to cover Gronk 1 on 1 deep.


Do you agree with either decsion, Ike? Be honest and just say no.

Both these decisions cost us a chance to win this game.


Please, Cowher took over a team that went 7-9 in 1985, 6-10 in 1986, 8-7 in 1987, 5-11 in 1988, and 9-7 in 1989. The success in the playoffs was very limited. Cowher drafted and molded his own players, and had to win with the likes of Stewart, Tomzack, Miller and Graham at QB. Tomlin would have been without Ben

Tomlin inherited a stacked S U P E R B O W L team with Ben. By the way for a shock see Cowher's record with Ben in the regular season and the playoffs, and contrast it to Tomlin is you dare.... Its pretty stark.

Loing this often to bad teams is a Tomlin Hallmark. It just is. And he still doesn't know how to work the clock with his time outs.

-Coach

 

[antdrewjosh]

I blame poor coaching when down 11 points in the 4th quarter, and going for a 54 yard FG on a day when your kicks are off.

I blame poor coaching asking any of our safties to cover Gronk 1 on 1 deep.


Do you agree with either decsion, Ike? Be honest and just say no.

Both these decisions cost us a chance to win this game.


Please, Cowher took over a team that went 7-9 in 1985, 6-10 in 1986, 8-7 in 1987, 5-11 in 1988, and 9-7 in 1989. The success in the playoffs was very limited. Cowher drafted and molded his own players, and had to win with the likes of Stewart, Tomzack, Miller and Graham at QB. Tomlin would have been without Ben

Tomlin inherited a stacked S U P E R B O W L team with Ben. By the way for a shock see Cowher's record with Ben in the regular season and the playoffs, and contrast it to Tomlin is you dare.... Its pretty stark.

Loing this often to bad teams is a Tomlin Hallmark. It just is. And he still doesn't know how to work the clock with his time outs.

-Coach

Only those plays cost us a chance to win the game?? And again Boz missed his first and made his next two. That's off?

And Tomlin took over a 8-8 team your point? Why is Cowher not responsible for drafting a QB the same way Tomlin is for not drafting a stud OLB or CB. He had a chance to take Chad Pennington he passed and stayed with Kordell Stewart. If he felt Stewart was so bad why not pull the trigger?? He had no say in drafting Miller and signing Graham. **** he started Graham.

I just posted a excellent links on breakdowns and gifs showing player execution or lack thereof that contributed to the loss against the Patriots. Check it out..

 

[Coach]

Only those plays cost us a chance to win the game?? And again Boz missed his first and made his next two. That's off?

And Tomlin took over a 8-8 team your point? Why is Cowher not responsible for drafting a QB the same way Tomlin is for not drafting a stud OLB or CB. He had a chance to take Chad Pennington he passed and stayed with Kordell Stewart. If he felt Stewart was so bad why not pull the trigger?? He had no say in drafting Miller and signing Graham. **** he started Graham.

I just posted a excellent links on breakdowns and gifs showing player execution or lack thereof that contributed to the loss against the Patriots. Check it out..

Yes, Boz had an off day. It happens and 54 yards would be his career long. Down 11 late, you go for it. FG's were NOT going to win this game and asking Jones to convert a 2 pt play isn't likely either.

Tomlin took over a loaded team that won the super bowl the year before. Ben's injury nearly killed him. That and a super bowl let down is why the team finished 8-8.

To tell you the truth, I wanted Pennigton that year ( 2000 draft ), and before 2004 Drew Brees. Picking Ben to me was a no-brainer. But when Kordell_Graham_Tomzack_Miller were the QB's were there any good ones at our pick in round one on the board?

 

[antdrewjosh]

Yes, Boz had an off day. It happens and 54 yards would be his career long. Down 11 late, you go for it. FG's were NOT going to win this game and asking Jones to convert a 2 pt play isn't likely either.

Tomlin took over a loaded team that won the super bowl the year before. Ben's injury nearly killed him. That and a super bowl let down is why the team finished 8-8.

To tell you the truth, I wanted Pennigton that year ( 2000 draft ), and before 2004 Drew Brees. Picking Ben to me was a no-brainer. But when Kordell_Graham_Tomzack_Miller were the QB's were there any good ones at our pick in round one on the board?

Coach Mike Tomlin, hoping to swing momentum and get to within one score in the fourth quarter, opted to attempt the 54-yarder with 9 minutes, 5 seconds remaining because Boswell converted from the same position last season at Heinz Field.



http://triblive.com/mobile/11371397-96/boswell-season-field

 

[obxsteeler]

If it's obvious, then I ask the question why have the decision makers and coaches let it slip to this level?

We are not good vs the pass or run now, and the lack of pride is another issue.

Losing Heyward exposes the entire DL, but even with him, we've got major issues. A big NT/DT that can stuff the run and push the pocket is needed. Hargrave has not impressed. Sure he's a rookie, but you saw Hampton or Steed's worth as run stoppers very early in their careers once they played.

Tuitt was better last season, and we have little depth.

Steed did not start till his 2nd year and had 8 total tackles as a rookie. Tuitt was obviously better with Hayward in the lineup. And Hargrave is the same size Steed was. Sometimes it takes a little more than 7 games to sort things out.

 

[Ike Kelly]

I blame poor coaching when down 11 points in the 4th quarter, and going for a 54 yard FG on a day when your kicks are off.

I blame poor coaching asking any of our safties to cover Gronk 1 on 1 deep.


Do you agree with either decsion, Ike? Be honest and just say no.

Both these decisions cost us a chance to win this game.


Please, Cowher took over a team that went 7-9 in 1985, 6-10 in 1986, 8-7 in 1987, 5-11 in 1988, and 9-7 in 1989. The success in the playoffs was very limited. Cowher drafted and molded his own players, and had to win with the likes of Stewart, Tomzack, Miller and Graham at QB. Tomlin would have been without Ben

Tomlin inherited a stacked S U P E R B O W L team with Ben. By the way for a shock see Cowher's record with Ben in the regular season and the playoffs, and contrast it to Tomlin is you dare.... Its pretty stark.

Loing this often to bad teams is a Tomlin Hallmark. It just is. And he still doesn't know how to work the clock with his time outs.

-Coach

Sure, you can blame all you want. But doesn't mean you are right. It's your opinion, something each of us has.

Honestly, I thought our chances of getting a 1st was optimal, and would have gone for it. But understood the call made. If FG was good, it's a one score game with 10 minutes left. That's 2 maybe 3 possessions. How many games since Brady was back they were in a one score lead in the 4th?

I'm just curious as to what your response is HAD Boz made the field goal. But I can guess what it would be.

Poor coaching on player execution? I'm being honest in my evaluation of the situation. It's the players responsibility to make plays, regardless of the defense called. It was apparently working in the first half, but blown execution allowed the big play....twice.


Nice how you leave out the 91 season W/L. 7-9. Cowher first year went 12-4 in 92, playoffs. 94, another winning record and playoff. Ben won his first 13 in a row, primarily with a Bettis led offense. If Cowher's team was so stacked, why did they finish 8-8 the year before? And before you toot Ben's injury, why wasn't the back up any good? Same situation with Landry, but different coach.

As for in game clock management, sure I would love for him to be like Andy Reid, Mike Shanahan, Bill Walsh...but no one else is. Every coach, EVERY coach has gaffes in their clock management, including Belichick.

Point being there are always two sides. You have yours, albeit with an agenda that seems combative to those who know more about the game than you (the professionals). But that's why we are here to voice our amateur opinions.

Tell me when you are performing the same role, and being scrutinized at every move, and review constructive criticism. Then your opinion may have more significant weight with others on this board.


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[Stryker]

Love your post Ike, I only disagree that Andy Reid is good at clock management. He was terrible when he had McNabb. That may be more because of the QB never understanding down and distance in relation to score under 2 minutes. Ben has some issues there as well. Reid is a winner and runs his teams much the same way Cowher did. Ball control offense, strong D, and does the same thing in the playoffs as he does in the regular season.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Thanks Cope. Yes, you are right about Andy when he was in Philly. Donovan had a whole lot of latitude in that offense. I kinda meant Reid's stint at KC with the clock management in my retort. He has Alex Smith, and Smith is a game manager QB.


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[obxsteeler]

Yes, Boz had an off day. It happens and 54 yards would be his career long. Down 11 late, you go for it. FG's were NOT going to win this game and asking Jones to convert a 2 pt play isn't likely either.

Tomlin took over a loaded team that won the super bowl the year before. Ben's injury nearly killed him. That and a super bowl let down is why the team finished 8-8.

To tell you the truth, I wanted Pennigton that year ( 2000 draft ), and before 2004 Drew Brees. Picking Ben to me was a no-brainer. But when Kordell_Graham_Tomzack_Miller were the QB's were there any good ones at our pick in round one on the board?

What if we'd have drafted Brady in rd 5 of the 2000 draft instead of Tee Martin? Thought someone with your evaluation skills would have been all over that.