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That was an embarrassing game. It was really pathetic.
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That was an embarrassing game. It was really pathetic.
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I hear what you are saying, but also know all three coaches had their opportunities to make the playoffs………………
Was it also easier for the first two to win a playoff game???????
None of the coaches had anything do with the league schedule / format / game times / who they play / etc….
The one commonality was to coach and play the game.
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Chuck Noll. 16-8
Bill Cowher. 12-9
Mike Tomlin. 8-11
My HOPE is strong in that I see a possible PO win this year. It will take change, something Coach Tomlin has spoken of all off-season. Is there going to be truth in that or Groundhog Day once again.?
Scheme is the root cause of past and future outcome.
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The Tomlin supporters, when referring to the recent playoff struggles always say well look at who he had at QB, he shouldn't be expected to win or make the playoffs, blah, blah, blah.
Cowher in 12 seasons without a Franchise QB had 7 post season wins and 4 AFCCG's
Tomlin in 17 seasons with a Franchise QB has 8 post season wins and 3 AFCCG's.
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So the ultimate Mr. mediocrity has gotten in as the most mediocre team 2 of 5 times otherwise his playoff “success” looks even more pathetic. Got it.
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Spot on DIC
Less mediocre teams in the field back in the Noll/Cowher days.
Mike’s probability was definitely far GREATER than Cowher as he was gift wrapped a HOF QB for every single playoff win he has ever had whereas Cowher was on the brink of a SB appearance (which should have happened if no BS refs going crazy with phantom PI penalties) with Kordell freakin Stewart. It is a QB driven league and Mike was gift wrapped one of the best for every bit of success he has ever had…thus his playoff success rate had a far higher probability than Bill even given the extra playoff seeds.
Cowher manufactured playoff wins without the benefit of having a HOF QB, which is literally the ONLY reason Mike has ever won a playoff game. In not one of “his” playoff wins did ya come away thinking “gee, Mike surely put them over the hump for that win” no it took a superlative effort by a HOF QB AND the greatest play in SB history to defy the Mike factor.
Mike career playoff win total without a HOF QB still stands at zero and that stat will continue another year….guaranteed.
Hell in Cowher’s SB win he did it despite Ben uncorking one of the worst performances ever by a playoff winning team QB.
10-22 158 yards and 2 picks
Anyone think Mike can overcome that?
Ben had horrible stats no doubt, but he made big plays at big moments.
-3rd and 28 he scrambled from pressure and hit Ward at the 1 yard line to set up the 1st TD which he scored
-Faneca credited Ben with setting Seattle up for the Parker run, not sure how
-He picked off the blitzing safety to give El a clean throw on the Ward TD.
-He got our of pressure and hit Ward with a backhand pass on 3rd down to keep another scoring drive alive.
That 05 team IMO is always undervalued, they were so much better than most give them credit for.
They were 7-2 then Ben got hurt, Marvel got hurt, that's how they ended up 7-5, then once everyone was back healthy they played the 4 highest scoring offenses in the NFL on the road on their post season run.
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Dang good post Fiji Mariner, thank you and for all the great ones along the way. Appreciate yaz
The NFL league has pussified the game. The strive for parody has been a priority for a long time. In achieving parody, the talent pool dwindles. The really good stars get paid a high % of cap space leaving the remainder cap to sign the rest of the team, less money equates to lower talent.
All teams have to deal with this factor, Tomlin is nothing special. Only thing that stands out is that Tomlin seems to be more3 of a Re-action instead of a PRO_Action when it comes to players. (Once Ben retired, the QB situation is a great example and many others)
Like I’ve said, I have HOPE./ my LS10 / and my BT50 I took for a spin last night….!!!
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Whether he retires or not, the thought of it will Make Howard work his tail off to be the guy next year. Rodgers just shortened his own leash as they'll want to see what they have in Howard unless Aaron has a great season from start to finish.
Gonna be another drama flick under Tomlick.
Gonna be another drama flick under Tomlick.
How did AA Ron shorten his own leash? If you mean he is a short timer due to retiring when the season is over, sure.
Anything else…
Nope
While I agree with a lot of what you say...a superlative effort by a HOF QB...? Does Noll win any Super Bowl without a superlative effort by a HOF QB? Brady had some superlative efforts for Super Bowl wins. That is part of it. I have never thought any coach put any team over the hump for a Super Bowl win. It usually took a great effort by the QB to get it done.
Yeah, but Cowher went to the dance with Neil O'Donnell.
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Apparently that’s what it takes for Tomlin to win a playoff game too
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Ben is training for a comeback..motivated by AR playing at 41. Looks like he's in great shape....................
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Joe Gibbs
Yeah...but the lack of a great effort by the QB is why they lost.
Doug Williams threw 4 tds in the Super Bowl against the Broncos. Pretty damn good effort. Way more often than not, it takes a great effort from the QB to win a Super Bowl. Stop acting like Tomlin was the only coach that got that to win. There are plenty of valid criticisms of Tomlin without including ones that don't make sense.
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No doubt he was excellent before that game AND a huge reason that Lombardi was possible….he simply had some serious jitters being a young guy in the big game, it happens. With Cowher at the helm that win was still attainable, I don’t believe that would have been the case under Tomlin.
I’m not trying to take anything away from Ben by any means. Really glad we had a coach in that one that didn’t require a superlative effort from a HOF QB to get a win.
It would be refreshing to see Tomlin go on any sort of playoff run without HOF QB dragging him along, heck I’ll take any over the hill HOF QB dragging him a bit this year and like it all the same.
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Well he definitely wins 9, so the answer is yes Noll still wins without superlative effort be HOF QB
In 10 TB makes some key plays to help, but hardly what I’d call superlative performance.
He definitely gets 2 or possibly 3 instead of 4 without great QB play, factor in that he had a dominant D so his success wasn’t predicated on needing a HOF QB to drag him to success.
Not sure how the crybaby cheater factors into Tomlin’s ineptitude so I’ll pretend like you never brought up that crybaby, piece of ****, cheater…since he is inconsequential to Tomlin’s inability to win even a single playoff game without a HOF QB
Which I stand on firmly
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This is your comment that I simply responded "Joe Gibbs" to: " I have never thought any coach put any team over the hump for a Super Bowl win. It usually took a great effort by the QB to get it done"
Coach Gibbs did a great job in winning 3 SBs with journeyman QBs.
I didn't mention Tomlin.
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Cowher was 7-8 in the playoffs without Ben, Tomlin 8-9 with him. Let that sink in. Heck, even Noll won playoff games with Brister and Malone, 2-3 in the postseason after Terry retired.
Uh huh. In a run here of a thread that is talking about Tomlin needing a superlative effort by the QB.
You guys are so damn sensitive to what you might construe as any support of Tomlin. I agree about Gibbs. But to win the Super Bowl, for that particular game, you need excellent QB play. There aren't that many examples of Super Bowls won with crappy QB play. Theismann is probably an example of not the greatest play and being carried, but Williams and Rypien, they played excellent games.