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Ridiculous Rule

Drink IRON City said:
EXCELLENT outtakes on the rule and scenario of use. I get the rule but also understand the outcry of frustration. I totally called it at the bar while watching the game...... several fans around me cried bad rule / OMG / BS type stuff but explained it similar to what you two have said right here. PLEASE EVERYONE read it a few times and think about it, it makes sense.





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It seems to be an old holdover from the "fumble the ball out of bounds and gain a few yards". They changed the rules to make it so if an offensive player fumbles forward only that player can recover, otherwise it comes back to the spot of the fumble, maybe the same thing should happen with these? I don't think I've ever seen an offensive player "try" to fumble into the ez to gain some sort of advantage. I'm all for giving it to the defense if they actually recover the damn ball, but to hand it to em because it rolled out of bounds on one side of the pylon vs the other is ******* stupid. Now, if it benefits us, I'm happy, but that doesn't make it any less ******* stupid. Plain and simple.

Joe
 
I just don't see the difference of losing security near the regular sideline. If you bat it to avoid another team from securing possession fine. I just don't see the point of the endzone. Same with at kickoff why should you be able to wave off a kickoff in the endzone. It's a live ****** ball as we learned.
 
t-man said:
It seems to be an old holdover from the "fumble the ball out of bounds and gain a few yards". They changed the rules to make it so if an offensive player fumbles forward only that player can recover, otherwise it comes back to the spot of the fumble, maybe the same thing should happen with these? I don't think I've ever seen an offensive player "try" to fumble into the ez to gain some sort of advantage. I'm all for giving it to the defense if they actually recover the damn ball, but to hand it to em because it rolled out of bounds on one side of the pylon vs the other is ******* stupid. Now, if it benefits us, I'm happy, but that doesn't make it any less ******* stupid. Plain and simple.

Joe
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Simple for me if you are sloppy with the ball you don't get rewarded with keeping possession.

Rule isn't a big deal if players simply secure the football.

Turnovers lose games. One rule doesn't escape that fact.

You earn the right to have a TD, I am not against earning the right to keep the ball in that situation as well.
 
Instead of trying to run someone over, why not juke around them? It was an idiot play.
 
slashsteel said:
Simple for me if you are sloppy with the ball you don't get rewarded with keeping possession.

Rule isn't a big deal if players simply secure the football.

Turnovers lose games. One rule doesn't escape that fact.

You earn the right to have a TD, I am not against earning the right to keep the ball in that situation as well.
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That's fine, but again, if it rolls out at the .5 yard line the offense gets to keep it. Want to be consistent, every time it goes out of bounds on a fumble give it to the D. I'm fine with that if that was the rule. It's not, if it's on one side rolling out (same carelessness by the player) it's back to the Offense, if it's on the other side and rolls out (again, same carelessness) it's the other teams ball. Oh, and if he gets just the nose of that ball on the white, and THEN it gets knocked out, it's 7 for the offense. Yeah, makes perfect sense.

Joe
 
And again, just to clarify, I think it's a dumb *** rule, regardles of when it happens, I've said it was dumb every time I've seen it. It's like an incomplete that goes out the back of the ez being the other teams ball, but if it goes out of bounds on the sideline it remains the offenses ball. And no, I don't think they are going to change it, at least not the the Pats have it cost them a major game and that ***** team of Brady, Belly, and Kraft whine to Roger. :)

Joe
 
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t-man said:
That's fine, but again, if it rolls out at the .5 yard line the offense gets to keep it. Want to be consistent, every time it goes out of bounds on a fumble give it to the D. I'm fine with that if that was the rule. It's not, if it's on one side rolling out (same carelessness by the player) it's back to the Offense, if it's on the other side and rolls out (again, same carelessness) it's the other teams ball. Oh, and if he gets just the nose of that ball on the white, and THEN it gets knocked out, it's 7 for the offense. Yeah, makes perfect sense.

Joe
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There are lots of different rules for the endzone. Get tackled inbounds and it’s next down. Tackled in the endzone and it’s a safety. Holding in the endzone is a safety. Stepping out of bounds in the endzone is a safety. Kickoff makes it to the endzone, it is no longer a live ball unless the returner takes it out of the endzone.

This rule fits perfectly with all the other special endzone rules.
 
Hines57 said:
Instead of trying to run someone over, why not juke around them? It was an idiot play.
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Though, if he destroys the safety, we're all backslapping Xman for his 'toughness' and 'steeler football'

He was just watching his position mates destroy defenders and wanted his shot. He lost.
 
t-man said:
That's fine, but again, if it rolls out at the .5 yard line the offense gets to keep it. Want to be consistent, every time it goes out of bounds on a fumble give it to the D. I'm fine with that if that was the rule. It's not, if it's on one side rolling out (same carelessness by the player) it's back to the Offense, if it's on the other side and rolls out (again, same carelessness) it's the other teams ball. Oh, and if he gets just the nose of that ball on the white, and THEN it gets knocked out, it's 7 for the offense. Yeah, makes perfect sense.

Joe
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Agreed. It’s a stupid rule. I don’t blame our loss on it, but that doesn’t make it a good rule.


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Let's say the broncos have the ball on their own 1 yard line. They throw a quick pass to the WR near the sideline. The DB closes quickly and pokes the ball out. It travels backwards, inside the pylon and out the side of the endzone.

Are you yelling for a Safety or should they get the ball back at the 1 again?
 
Ok let's play that game. If team A is moving away from their end line and say the ball carrier is contacted on the 35 yard line and as you said he fumbles towards his endzone. Where will the ball be spotted?? Where it went out of bounds. So your safety makes sense. The ball would be spotted in the ball carriers endzone. Safety. However, if the ball fumbled towards his opponents end line they absolutely are not giving him that say three yards forward. The ball will be marked at the spot he fumbled from. So that if you are short of a first down along the sideline you don't "conveiniently" fumble forwards out of bounds. However, in this case they are acknowledging the forward fumble on the spot. It's totally unnatural to the rest of the rules. I never really thought of it that way but thanks for making my point for me.
 
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SteelerSask said:
We were watching the goal line play with Grimble and I knew immediately what had happened though I can only remember clearly it happening one other time and that was Korkie Stewart reaching for the pylon. I just don't understand why that rule exists. It's really as stupid as the CFL rouge, one point for a missed field goal or conceded punt in the endzone. This rule seems unnatural to the rest of the game.
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The endzone rule book is a disaster. Just the ball needs to touch the line but two feet in bounds? Ball fumbled out of bounds on the field fumble team keeps the ball but in the endzone goes to the other team. It's a friggin different game in the endzone which starts being a nightmare in college where their rules don't match the NFL at all. WTF, for ever.

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Same with the kickoff. You shouldn't be able to wave off the kickoff. ITS A LIVE BALL. As we learned a few weeks ago on the safety. If it lands in the endzone you should have to play the ball at risk of it bouncing off your chest.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
Let's say the broncos have the ball on their own 1 yard line. They throw a quick pass to the WR near the sideline. The DB closes quickly and pokes the ball out. It travels backwards, inside the pylon and out the side of the endzone.

Are you yelling for a Safety or should they get the ball back at the 1 again?
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By rule, that's a safety.

SteelerSask said:
Ok let's play that game. If team A is moving away from their end line and say the ball carrier is contacted on the 35 yard line and as you said he fumbles towards his endzone. Where will the ball be spotted?? Where it went out of bounds. So your safety makes sense. The ball would be spotted in the ball carriers endzone. Safety. However, if the ball fumbled towards his opponents end line they absolutely are not giving him that say three yards forward. The ball will be marked at the spot he fumbled from. So that if you are short of a first down along the sideline you don't "conveiniently" fumble forwards out of bounds. However, in this case they are acknowledging the forward fumble on the spot. It's totally unnatural to the rest of the rules. I never really thought of it that way but thanks for making my point for me.
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I hear what you're saying fumbling forward out of bounds, ball should return to the spot of the fumble. But the end zone is out of play. Out of bounds on the sideline is within the field of play, the sideline in the end zone is not. It doesn't exist. So if you fumble into nothingness, you can't get the ball back. Like a black hole sucking your chance at a TD.

Heck I remember Jackson spiking a ball at the 1 on a long TD run against Dallas. Ball lands in the EZ, Dallas lays on it, touchback. Mostly, if this play occurs, it's because the offensive player made an error. Just like our game. Plenty of options for a TD.

SteelerSask said:
Same with the kickoff. You shouldn't be able to wave off the kickoff. ITS A LIVE BALL. As we learned a few weeks ago on the safety. If it lands in the endzone you should have to play the ball at risk of it bouncing off your chest.
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Yea, that is dumb, but they changed the rule this year. If you don't field the kickoff in the end zone, it is now a dead ball.
 
Step 2 of the commish’s plan to eliminate Kickoffs. 1st step was reducing the distance for a touchback.


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I'm actually hesitant to he too critical of Grimbal. Legal or illegal it was a shot to the head that made his arms go limp and caused the fumble. Kinda shocked he isn't in protocol. I think I saw him later but I could be mistaken and he is.
 
SteelerSask said:
I'm actually hesitant to he too critical of Grimbal. Legal or illegal it was a shot to the head that made his arms go limp and caused the fumble. Kinda shocked he isn't in protocol. I think I saw him later but I could be mistaken and he is.
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He is per CMT weekly PC.
 
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