Rescind tag?

[Hines57]

Every week he sits gets us additional future cap space and at the end of this roller coaster ride we're getting a 3rd round compensatory draft pick. You aren't giving that away. Keep in mind even though unrelated, Shazier's contract is off the books next year as well. That opens up $20M of cap space for us to pay our own or go out and get a free agent.

The situation absolutely sucks. Nobody wanted it to get to this point. Lets hope he wants to play football and he isn't being paid while he sits out. That's on him and this team is going to go out and win football games with Conner running the show.

 

[Ike Kelly]

I dont think the players are mad about the media asking questions. They are mad that he isnt there. He now is hurting the team.

Stillwright....Foster’s response to the media yesterday, while probably in some form emotional, says it all “tired of the questions tired of the answers....it’s somebody who doesn’t give a damn”

Foster, the team’s Union rep, made it be known Bell, left his OL hanging on Wednesday.


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[milkman dan]

Would the 3rd round compensatory pick be influenced by any free agents signed in the same period in which Bell is signed away? Or would that affect the following season? Just something to consider if that is the case and we're going into an off-season with that much cap space. Not that I see them going spend happy in FA, but it could be something to factor in.

But aside from that, I'm surprised this many people consider rescinding the tag an option. That would be a ridiculous, petty, childish, and spiteful thing for an org to do and would honestly make me wonder about the stability of the FO if they did such a thing. Its one thing for Bell to act like that, but if the front office did it in return,.... jeesh...

 

[fogdoctor]

I said yes but I was drinking so no.

 

[21STEELERS21]

I would work the phones and see if a sign and trade deal could be worked out. If you can get higher than a third round pick it is worth it. The further this
goes, the more teams would have the cap space, up to trade deadline. I believe the team that would sign him would still have the franchise and transition tag
options available next year, so its not a pure rental situation. Performance of our backs against Browns could move this scenario forward.

Raiders have the draft picks and cap space to do a deal. Might also remove some of the sour from the Mack trade.

 

[AggieSteel]

I would work the phones and see if a sign and trade deal could be worked out. If you can get higher than a third round pick it is worth it. The further this
goes, the more teams would have the cap space, up to trade deadline. I believe the team that would sign him would still have the franchise and transition tag
options available next year, so its not a pure rental situation. Performance of our backs against Browns could move this scenario forward.

Raiders have the draft picks and cap space to do a deal. Might also remove some of the sour from the Mack trade.

After the Mack trade, it’s not worth it unless we get at least a first (and from a potentially ****** team)


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[swal75]

Yeah the pick gets offset if we sign more guys than we lose. It's a lot more complicated than that, but if you were to sign a free agent that got a similar salary to bell you wouldn't get a pic

 

[Steelerfan81]

Zero point in taking back the tag. He can just go sign with whoever and potentially beat us. Every week he sits out we get that money back.

 

[Spike]

ha ha - more fake news polls



Steelers will not rescind Bell's tag

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Steelers will not rescind Le'Veon Bell's franchise tag.

Pittsburgh rescinding the tag is the only way for Bell to get a long-term deal before next offseason. There is no reason for the Steelers to do that, however, especially since Bell has to report by Week 11 to become a free agent next spring

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8390/leveon-bell

 

[Steel Ballin]

If he plans sitting out for most of the season,...I pull the tag immediately after week 10, before he has a chance to sign it and report for the last 6 games. The $5M they will save in salary is worth more than a 3rd round comp pick.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

If he plans sitting out for most of the season,...I pull the tag immediately after week 10, before he has a chance to sign it and report for the last 6 games. The $5M they will save in salary is worth more than a 3rd round comp pick.

I do the opposite I use the money we save if waits till then to report to tag his *** again next year out of spite so he doesn’t get his way.

 

[antdrewjosh]

No team is going to give up a premium pick for some one they can lose in January. No team can give him a new contract until the season is over. He has to play for the tag . They would have the same window to resign him after the seson that we had before he hits free agency. Bell didnt do all of this to not listen to multiple offers on the open market..

 

[milkman dan]

Anything the org does out of spite just makes the team less appealing for players to want to play for. They have done everything correctly and fairly thus far. Bell's agent is trying to say the FO screwed this up by not extending him in year two, but two IRs for knees and two suspensions doesn't make anyone clamor to break the bank. They've done and are continuing to do the most to maximize their return.

 

[milkman dan]

Yeah the pick gets offset if we sign more guys than we lose. It's a lot more complicated than that, but if you were to sign a free agent that got a similar salary to bell you wouldn't get a pic

Ok. That's what I was wondering, if it offset current comp picks or the following year's.

 

[maowv]

Business should never be emotional. Yes, I'd love to rescind the tag and leave him to whatever he can scrounge up now that most teams have little cap space left. But that is not the smart business move.

Let him sit out, and save $900k in salary and cap space each game for next season. If he stays out until week 10 then we pick up an extra $9 million in cap space for next year.

If he signs prior to the trade deadline (week 6?) then explore trading him if any takers. The price is that any team must beat the 3rd round Comp pick we will receive when he walks if not traded. If you can pick up a 2nd then so be it.

This is Bell's last year in Pittsburgh even if he plays. He's burned the bridge with the team, the players and the fans. It's business so use him as an asset and get the most for him we can before he suits up for Tampa Bay next year. He's already gone so get the most in return as possible. It's just business at this point.

 

[warriors42]

I do the opposite I use the money we save if waits till then to report to tag his *** again next year out of spite, so he doesn’t get his way.

^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I call his agent and tell him Bell needs to report by a certain time or we are going to tag him again next year. If he stays out the first nine games that saves us roughly 8 million dollars. The third-year tag would cost us about 24 million I think. Do the math we offered him 15 million a year that's 30 for two years. He makes 24 million next year plus the remaining 6 million this year that the same 30 million he would have made anyway if he would have just signed the contract offered. If he fakes an injury or tanks with his play, you suspend him without pay and tag him again the following year. As far as I see it the Steelers hold all the cards, not Bell. Who is going to give him the payday he is asking for in three years NOBODY.

Now say he holds out again next year you play chicken and pull the tag at week 8 I still don't think anyone will break the bank on him after two more seasons are in the books. The Steelers could be real pricks on this.

Plus if you put the nonexclusive on him next year, it gives you time to try and work another deal or get something in return.

 

[Coach]

If he plans sitting out for most of the season,...I pull the tag immediately after week 10, before he has a chance to sign it and report for the last 6 games. The $5M they will save in salary is worth more than a 3rd round comp pick.

I like this. You can get a decent veteran free agent for 5 million a year.

#Screw Bell

 

[FAB802]

If you do that you're telling every upcoming FA you cave under pressure. Eff that, he will have to report eventually, but I'm not going that route.

 

[milkman dan]

This is a good FAQ on all the Bell details and ideas getting batted around... The most interesting tidbit is if he doesn't sign the tender at all, it sounds like they can tag him again in '19 at 14.5 mil instead of the QB tender...

https://Invalid Link - Check SN Hom...gs-stand-currently-with-leveon-bell-steelers/

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I'm guessing there are restrictions on what you can tag a player with once he's been franchised but I don't know.

A player can be franchise tagged for two years. The second year is an automatic 20% increase over the previous year. The initial tag amount is the average of the top five players at that position. Bell's tag amount is skewed because last year Adrian Peterson's monster contract still counted. This year his tag amount is almost double what the second-highest paid RB makes because of AP's contract last year and the automatic 10% increase this year.

 

[warriors42]

Will Bell get paid if he reports and signs franchise tag and is placed on the roster exempt list for two weeks?

When and if Bell finally does report to the Steelers and signs his franchise tag tender this season, the Steelers will undoubtedly ask for and receive a two-week roster exemption for him. However, prior to Bell even signing his one-year deal, you can bet the amount the running back will earn should he stay on the roster exempt list will be negotiated into the contract. There is no way that Bell’s agent will let his client sign a franchise tag tender that includes his client not getting paid his full $855,529 for every week he is on the exempt list.

OK, this could turn into a real dick measuring contest. If the steerler refuse to pay Bell for those two exempt weeks, they are fully within their rights, if Bell doesn't sign the contract before Tuesday, November 13th we own the rights to his *** for another year at the same 14.5 million. Not only is Bell a total dumb *** but it looks to me his agent is just as dumb. If he sits this year, we can still tag him two more times which means he would be close to thirty looking for a big payday LMAO. Even if he were to sign both tags, he still loses roughly ten mil plus any signing bonus he would have gotten if he would have taken the five-year deal offered him. What a dumb ****, and I can't believe his agent hasn't beat him over his head with the scenarios that he is facing and how this can all blow up in his face.

 

[ExUSAF]

A player can be franchise tagged for two years. The second year is an automatic 10% increase over the previous year. The initial tag amount is the average of the top five players at that position. Bell's tag amount is skewed because last year Adrian Peterson's monster contract still counted. This year his tag amount is almost double what the second-highest paid RB makes because of AP's contract last year and the automatic 10% increase this year.

Ron, my original question was the use of the exclusive tag, which would have allowed us to match or get two first round picks. Is this tag an option for 2019 since we will have used both our franchise tags or is it off the table due to some other rule? Can the exclusive tag be used after a franchise tag has been used previously or is that now allowed? What would have been the down side of the exclusive tag in 2018 - Bell could have gotten the money he wanted and we would have two first round picks.

 

[slashsteel]

Ron, my original question was the use of the exclusive tag, which would have allowed us to match or get two first round picks. Is this tag an option for 2019 since we will have used both our franchise tags or is it off the table due to some other rule? Can the exclusive tag be used after a franchise tag has been used previously or is that now allowed? What would have been the down side of the exclusive tag in 2018 - Bell could have gotten the money he wanted and we would have two first round picks.

I never heard anything about certain tags not being available.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Ron, my original question was the use of the exclusive tag, which would have allowed us to match or get two first round picks. Is this tag an option for 2019 since we will have used both our franchise tags or is it off the table due to some other rule? Can the exclusive tag be used after a franchise tag has been used previously or is that now allowed? What would have been the down side of the exclusive tag in 2018 - Bell could have gotten the money he wanted and we would have two first round picks.

An exclusive tag does not allow for two first-round comp picks. The player can only negotiate with his own team. A non-exclusive tag allows the player to negotiate with other teams however his current team has the right to match the offer and if they elect not to match, then they get two first-round picks from the team that signs him. As far as I know the team can use an exclusive or non-exclusive tag whenever they want. Would have made sense to me to use the non-exclusive tag this year. Bell and his agent could have negotiated with other teams, all of them probably would have told them to pound salt and laughed at the idea of giving up two first-round picks.

 

[BLITZ]

I would figure out what Bell wants us to do, and then do the exact opposite. not really. but I would want to. no way do I pull the tag. gotta get something out of him. we will get at least a 3rd comp pick.

in my perfect scenario he signs before the trade deadline, we save 800+ per week and then we trade him to san fran or another rb desperate team