remember when Sean Davis sucked?

[Superman]

Steelers' Sean Davis: Ties team high in tackles
By RotoWire Staff

Davis tied a team high with eight tackles (seven solo) in a victory over the Vikings Sunday.

Davis was relatively quiet in Week 1, as he tallied just three tackles. However, game flow got him more involved against the Vikings. The 23-year-old was sidelined for just one play as he saw 65 of a possible 66 snaps in the contest. He will have an advantageous matchup against Mike Glennon and the Bears on Sunday.

 

[Coach]

Not to beat a dead horse, but Davis has not impressed me in coverage..ever. He doesn't get his hands on passes either. These allow the completion type of safeties often get a higher amount of tackles because they were targeted.

I do like Davis on the Blitz.

PFF grades Davis as 40.7 for a score of poor. I'm not going to explain how they grade people, but if the best players are at the top and the worst at the bottom you can say its like a QB rating. Maybe you don't agree with a few slots up or down, but you think its all right in a marco sense.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/sean-davis/10692

 

[Stryker]

I was bent that he lost his inside deep responsibility on the 3rd and forever that they completed down the seam. He has to play that better, we knew the down and distance, we had pressure. He has to meet the ball and the receiver at 20 yards.

I do like his tackling, but I am also waiting for his coverage instincts to improve.

 

[Hines57]

He's playing well and he will continue to improve. We were spoiled with 43 back there for years.

 

[nooneuno]

Not to beat a dead horse, but ..........

 

[Litos]

Steelers' Sean Davis: Ties team high in tackles
By RotoWire Staff

Davis tied a team high with eight tackles (seven solo) in a victory over the Vikings Sunday.

Davis was relatively quiet in Week 1, as he tallied just three tackles. However, game flow got him more involved against the Vikings. The 23-year-old was sidelined for just one play as he saw 65 of a possible 66 snaps in the contest. He will have an advantageous matchup against Mike Glennon and the Bears on Sunday.

I do remember coach saying he sucked and was a bust, just like 1st round pick artie burns. Hmmm

 

[Coach]

I do remember coach saying he sucked and was a bust, just like 1st round pick artie burns. Hmmm

Then you memory needs work as I never said Burns was a bust.

 

[Litos]

Then you memory needs work as I never said Burns was a bust.

I'm not going to dig in to all that crap again, just admit you hated the pick and didn't see athletic skills on Burns to be a starting CB

 

[Badcat]

I dislike The Artie Burns pick, still to this day. He reminds me of Flowers...inconsistent and he's always good for at least one dumbass penalty.

 

[SteveA]

ALOT of people on this Forum bashed Davis & Burns when those picks were made. Calling them reaches or were picked a round or two too high.

Coach did say something to the effect Burns was a second day pick and didn't like him in Rd 1. Many posters here (NOT JUST COACH) said the same thing....So what?

Everyone lamented William Jackson III being snagged in front of us too.......So we had to "settle" for Burns (who was still a reach according to many in Rd 1)

It is the Nature of a Forum to second guess and Monday morning Quarterback......

In hindsight the 2016 NFL draft is a very excellent draft contrary to what STEELER NATION THOUGHT AT THE TIME......

 

[Litos]

ALOT of people on this Forum bashed Davis & Burns when those picks were made. Calling them reaches or were picked a round or two too high.

Coach did say something to the effect Burns was a second day pick and didn't like him in Rd 1. Many posters here (NOT JUST COACH) said the same thing....So what?

Everyone lamented William Jackson III being snagged in front of us too.......So we had to "settle" for Burns (who was still a reach according to many in Rd 1)

It is the Nature of a Forum to second guess and Monday morning Quarterback......

In hindsight the 2016 NFL draft is a very excellent draft contrary to what STEELER NATION THOUGHT AT THE TIME......

according to soeme Burns was a 3rd rounder...

all I'm saying is let the rookies play before labeling them. Especially if your analysis comes from 5 minutes tape (that even another person did the effort to put together)

 

[Steel Vanguard]

I never thought Sean sucked. He's an old school in-the-box safety. He's a hitter.

Let the man hit.

 

[kev4heels]

I never thought Sean sucked. He's an old school in-the-box safety. He's a hitter.

Let the man hit.

Honestly, I don't get the hype around Sean Davis.
I think he is a decent in-the-box guy. However, his coverage skills are pretty bad.
Some can say that's not needed as a SS, but I disagree.
This isn't the 2005 NFL. Safety's have to be able to both competently.

He has the athletic upside. He could very well become a great player.
I just think Davis' is getting more praise than his play dictates as this point.

 

[Steel Vanguard]

Honestly, I don't get the hype around Sean Davis.
I think he is a decent in-the-box guy. However, his coverage skills are pretty bad.
Some can say that's not needed as a SS, but I disagree.
This isn't the 2005 NFL. Safety's have to be able to both competently.

He has the athletic upside. He could very well become a great player.
I just think Davis' is getting more praise than his play dictates as this point.

It's all relative to other parts of the defense.

We've got 5 first rounders in our front 7. I count Tuitt because he was rated as a first rounder and fell to us. We let them chase after people the way we have the first couple of weeks, we let Burns and Haden lock down the outside, and we don't need Davis to be Polamalu. We just need him to be Davis. He is outstanding in run support, and can knock a receiver on his *** if he gets a step on the ball. That's good enough so long as Mitchell stays healthy.

We're getting greedy if we're asking everyone to do everything. All I ask is that they play to their strengths and that the coaching staff supports that. With Davis, I believe that's happened. What ain't broke don't need fixing and no player/team is perfect.

 

[Stryker]

I'm still waiting for Mitchell to be consistent. That guy drives me nuts...

 

[slashsteel]

Look this is a passing league, it was conventionally tweaked to try to be a fantasy football league. You can't hit here you can't hit there. 5 yard rules. Protect the QB rules. So good luck finding the perfect corner or safety. I look around the league that is a many team problem. Burns and Davis might not be perfect. But they are capable. If they screw up more than likely it's from a youth standpoint over from a lack of being capable. Or a lack of speed.

Pick your poison, I think this team is tweaking and it's roster. And I think youth will improve as the season goes. Including Davis and Burns........

But the way this game has been reconstructed don't fool yourself to think there won't be frustrating moments.

I keep this in mind when grading a CB or S in the present day evals.

 

[Steelerfreak]

Look this is a passing league, it was conventionally tweaked to try to be a fantasy football league. You can't hit here you can't hit there. 5 yard rules. Protect the QB rules. So good luck finding the perfect corner or safety. I look around the league that is a many team problem. Burns and Davis might not be perfect. But they are capable. If they screw up more than likely it's from a youth standpoint over from a lack of being capable. Or a lack of speed.

Pick your poison, I think this team is tweaking and it's roster. And I think youth will improve as the season goes. Including Davis and Burns........

But the way this game has been reconstructed don't fool yourself to think there won't be frustrating moments.

I keep this in mind when grading a CB or S in the present day evals.

That sounds like some calm and rational thought. Be careful in here.


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[Ike Kelly]

Dead horse.....has been long gone for some time. But you will still keep swinging air.....just like you have with Polamalu.

Strange all this coverage or lack thereof is mentioned....yet there has only be 4 pass defended in 2 games. In those 2 games - 68 attempts, 397 yards....or 5.84 yards per completion....and 9 sacks. I heard they were ranked 5th in pass defense. Mind you the QB played helped, but you only play the games on the schedule.

 

[BLITZ]

I do not remember when Davis sucked

 

[Superman]

I'm still waiting for Mitchell to be consistent. That guy drives me nuts...

he is. you can usually expect him to launch at a receiver if the ball is thrown high.
or commit a stupid penalty when the other team is building momentum.
or get beat deep as the last line of defense.

 

[nooneuno]

I remember when everyone wanted William Jackson III. Missed his first season due to injury and now finds himself 3rd string on the Bengals depth chart. Played in 40% of the Bengals snaps week 1 and then Pac Man comes back week 2 and Jackson is active but doesn't see the field for a single play. Still early to tell but maybe we got the better end of the deal when we got Artie Burns

 

[antdrewjosh]

I'm not going to dig in to all that crap again, just admit you hated the pick and didn't see athletic skills on Burns to be a starting CB

Let me put it this way, 24 other teams passed on him. If the Steelers did not select Burns, he could slide into round two, where most draft pundits had him. The Steelers could have traded down, picked up a 3rd round pick and still had Burns.

I think Davis will disappoint. His coverage was pretty bad.

Burns 50/50. If he lacks recovery speed / quickness, Burns is in trouble and will be the next Chad Scott. You might not be able to see what I'm talking about in the pre-season games, but others will.

I never posted on a cowboys board.

If you have a memory, you'll note that many good draft people such as Mike Mayock had a mid 2nd round grade on Burns. It's old news. I gave an overview of his targeted passing attempts a while back. No one said it didn't happen the way I described the action.

My main issues with Burns are he loses ground on slants and cuts and is very raw on recognizing route threes. He's a sucker for comeback routes, and he needs to learn when to get his head turned around. His long-term coverage speed to me could be an issue. He's neither fast nor slow, but does he have catch up speed when burned in the NFL? We'll see.

His best stuff was ball skills, or when he sees the QB throwing a ball his way. He'll make a QB pay for a bad pass.

Those are some of Coach's quotes on Burns

 

[Coach]

I'm not going to dig in to all that crap again, just admit you hated the pick and didn't see athletic skills on Burns to be a starting CB

Wrong! I said Burns has size, great hands and ball skills. My issues with him coming out was he was raw. Show me where I said Burns was a bust. If you can't then you mis spoke and should say so.

 

[stillwright]

Those are some of Coach's quotes on Burns

All quotes off of others on mock drafts. I assume anyways.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Deljzc,

Didn't you say his tape video is more like a 3rd round grade? Fans can be impressed with Burns interception total in 2015, size and speed. That's a given.

Like I said when he sees the ball in the air and Burns is close to where the point of delivery happens he can make a QB pay. Most of the time, it's on passes that take a longer time to arrive.

But man, his film is not good vs. mediocre WR and QB competition. Burns looks like a sophomore college CB to me and is much further off from being NFL ready in comparison to the other corners taken in round one, and two. I'll stand by that statement, and will gladly bump this thread when Tomlin gives us coach speak that Burns is " In the learning process " which is code for he's not ready to play. It did not take Ross Cockrell long to learn our system. Of course, he went to Duke. I liked Cockrell in round three in the draft. We got him for free! I think Ross Cockrell starts this season.

Is Burns one of the top 5-6 best corners in the draft? On potential, yes, in terms of being NFL ready, no way. And that irks me as we need help in 2016, not 2018.

I also think Burns is not suited to play the slot and lacks some quickness to defend on quick slants, and comeback routes. He's an outside the hash marks type of CB. The NFL will slant and nickel and dime him for first downs until he learns how to play.

Going off tangent for a moment, I do not think Davis is a top 60 talent. He was over drafted due to our need. Davis gave up a lot of yardages, and like Burns has issues with penalties. As they say, when you reach for need, it tends not to work out. I'm okay with gambles from rounds 3-7, just not in rounds 1 or 2 unless you have the luxury of time, which in this case the Steelers do not.

There has been some talk to qualifications to comment here. I played and coached, obviously not at the NFL level. I'm 99.999% sure there is a reader who knows more than I do and I'll leave it at that. However I think I know enough about what is needed at the NFL level to be successful, and I do not see that with Burns yet. Jackson III knew how to play. You saw it on film. Burns, for now, is an athlete playing corner. Not so long ago the Steelers really like CB Justin Gilbert, who was also an athlete playing corner, but man his tape showed he had no technique and relied heavily on athletic ability in college. In the NFL, he's not living up to his status. Going into his 3rd season, Justin Gilbert has started just 3 games.

Here is more coach Quotes on Burns