Quarterback Scouting Thread

[slashsteel]

Pittsburgh Pennsylvania, the land of pierogies, gawumpky, and cheap qb's.

Well at least there is eats.

 

[Confluence]

And more proven than Howard, Thompson or any of the draft picks…proven to be mid, but proven none the less.

Cheap and mid both are solid qualifiers for a QB2

Hopefully he is displaced by a cheaper option with greater upside potential soon, but a team
Can do worse in regards to talent or salary for their QB2.

Who cares about proven?
The Tomlinship years are hopefully over.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Allar has had a total of 3 games over 300 yrds in his career. Last year in the 6 games he played he did not break 220yrds passing and only had one game above 8yyrds/attempt. He also had 3 games below 7yrds / attempt. I don't care how physically talented someone is if he can't throw it where he is supposed to consistently. Coaching can hold you back but in big name schools natural talent usually shines though especially against physically mismatched teams. I just don't see that with Allar.

keep in mind the two extremely talented running backs and only one real receiver (Warren) two years ago and none last year.

 

[Drink IRON City]

If he signs for more than vet min, it messed with the money the cards owe him. It's the Russell Wilson situation exactly. He'll sign somewhere for one year at vet min, and hope he plays into a long term deal.

Still wouldn’t want him. Several articles talking about meMEme, home developing his brand ahead of the team, we don’t need any of that. He hasn’t done **** lately, Rudolf can do that just as easily.

Spend the money, not the geriatric pills.



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[insaniti]

Still wouldn’t want him. Several articles talking about meMEme, home developing his brand ahead of the team, we don’t need any of that. He hasn’t done **** lately, Rudolf can do that just as easily.

Spend the money, not the geriatric pills.



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I don't want him either, just explaining the money part of his situation.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I don't want him either, just explaining the money part of his situation.

Didn’t mean to imply you did, sorry.

I have a tendency to write and not proof - read.

Thanks for the financial aspect of his deal.





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[insaniti]

Didn’t mean to imply you did, sorry.

I have a tendency to write and not proof - read.

Thanks for the financial aspect of his deal.





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No prob, I wasn't offended, only doubling down on your opinion of him as a player. There are quite a few players I would take over him, including Ty Simpson, who I really don't want either lol

 

[Chadman]

FA will answer a few questions. 2 trades I'd be watching are Davis Mills & Mac Jones. I think Mac costs too much, but Mills for a mid round pick could be interesting.

I wouldn't mind Mariota if Rodgers calls it quits. Throws a decent ball, mobile. I expect the McCarthy style offence & better WR's will hide some of his faults.

Regardless- I expect 2 QB's added either through FA or the draft before the season kicks off. Unless Howard or a rookie beat Mason, I expect the QB depth to look-

Rodgers/FA
Rudolph
Howard/Draft Pick

 

[SteelerFan448]

FA will answer a few questions. 2 trades I'd be watching are Davis Mills & Mac Jones. I think Mac costs too much, but Mills for a mid round pick could be interesting.

I wouldn't mind Mariota if Rodgers calls it quits. Throws a decent ball, mobile. I expect the McCarthy style offence & better WR's will hide some of his faults.

Regardless- I expect 2 QB's added either through FA or the draft before the season kicks off. Unless Howard or a rookie beat Mason, I expect the QB depth to look-

Rodgers/FA
Rudolph
Howard/Draft Pick

Given how Khan and McCarthy have hyped up Howard this offseason, if Rudolph is still on the roster this season then Howard isn’t it. He should be the clear No. 2 if they believe there’s starting potential there.

 

[WindyCitySteel]

Given how Khan and McCarthy have hyped up Howard this offseason, if Rudolph is still on the roster this season then Howard isn’t it. He should be the clear No. 2 if they believe there’s starting potential there.

Exactly. They may just be stringing along the fans and other teams blowing smoke about ARod and Will, only to turn around and draft a guy or sign a different FA on Monday.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Who cares about proven?
The Tomlinship years are hopefully over.

When considering your QB1 and QB2 virtually EVERY NFL team and HC, GM and particularly with the Steelers the owner all generall put a good deal of stock in proven when considering these roles.

It’s why so many vets stick so long and you don’t see the league filled with the zero snap unproven players.

They’re likely gonna run back the dinosaur,
All we bring in is a extremely proven/old as dirt

I’d say Art Nutting is in the first percentile of caring about proven. “The Art of the .500 season”we will soon find out was largely a product of Art Nutting and why he was so enamored with Mr. Mediocrity because he kept stacking those Tomlinships.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

FA will answer a few questions. 2 trades I'd be watching are Davis Mills & Mac Jones. I think Mac costs too much, but Mills for a mid round pick could be interesting.

I wouldn't mind Mariota if Rodgers calls it quits. Throws a decent ball, mobile. I expect the McCarthy style offence & better WR's will hide some of his faults.

Regardless- I expect 2 QB's added either through FA or the draft before the season kicks off. Unless Howard or a rookie beat Mason, I expect the QB depth to look-

Rodgers/FA
Rudolph
Howard/Draft Pick

Davis Mills for a mid pick would be an interesting add.

 

[WindyCitySteel]

I don't think the Steelers are really interested in bringing Rodgers back, and I don't think the Steelers are his first choice. If they don't sign anyone in FA I'll eat those words, but I could easily see a guy like Brissett coming in to replace Mason and be a bridge to a rookie or Will.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

Given how Khan and McCarthy have hyped up Howard this offseason, if Rudolph is still on the roster this season then Howard isn’t it. He should be the clear No. 2 if they believe there’s starting potential there.

Not sure I agree. Howard would be the clear 2 at starter but would he be the clear the 2 as gameday backup. Those are different roles. Mason has his faults but he is always ready to come in a game as needed.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

I don't think the Steelers are really interested in bringing Rodgers back, and I don't think the Steelers are his first choice. If they don't sign anyone in FA I'll eat those words, but I could easily see a guy like Brissett coming in to replace Mason and be a bridge to a rookie or Will.

I am pretty confident it is already a virtually done deal.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Not sure I agree. Howard would be the clear 2 at starter but would he be the clear the 2 as gameday backup. Those are different roles. Mason has his faults but he is always ready to come in a game as needed.

So if the Steelers re-sign Rodgers, Khan/McCarthy, who have spoken highly about Howard want him to be the starter if Rodgers gets hurt, but he gets #3 reps during the week because Rudolph would be the gameday backup?

 

[Confluence]

So if the Steelers re-sign Rodgers, Khan/McCarthy, who have spoken highly about Howard want him to be the starter if Rodgers gets hurt, but he gets #3 reps during the week because Rudolph would be the gameday backup?

Exactly. What does that do for Howard except delay development. That's the Tomlin plan for Howard, Wilson, Johnson. Harmon got on the field at least.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

who is johnson.. jeremiah?

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

So if the Steelers re-sign Rodgers, Khan/McCarthy, who have spoken highly about Howard want him to be the starter if Rodgers gets hurt, but he gets #3 reps during the week because Rudolph would be the gameday backup?

At first yes, I think he would. Unless he just blows him away during preseason, which we all hope he does. There is history for this, but it isn't under McCarthy so take it for what it is worth.

Until we see the kid take an actual NFL snap it is all conjecture as well as who else we may have as the 4th option.

 

[SteelerFan448]

At first yes, I think he would. Unless he just blows him away during preseason, which we all hope he does. There is history for this, but it isn't under McCarthy so take it for what it is worth.

Until we see the kid take an actual NFL snap it is all conjecture as well as who else we may have as the 4th option.

You said he’d be QB2 but not the backup. That approach doesn’t make any sense. Again, if they actually believe in Howard he has to start the offseason program as QB2. Get him as many reps as possible.

 

[Chadman]

I think it's extremely unlikely Howard starts next season & far more likely he is given competition to beat out for the "future QB role" at Pittsburgh.

I think that is the actual plan. Talk him up- he's in house. He MIGHT beat out Mason Rudolph & become #2. He's just as likely to be fighting off Nussmeier, Beck, Allar or Simpson for #3 & "future QB" status.

Nobody anywhere gives Mason Rudolph a shot as #1. But Rodgers was heavy on his praise of Rudolph. I think he's the locked-in #2 unless a rookie completely outplays him- in a weak QB year.

 

[topseed]

Nobody anywhere gives Mason Rudolph a shot as #1. But Rodgers was heavy on his praise of Rudolph. I think he's the locked-in #2 unless a rookie completely outplays him- in a weak QB year.

Actually, the Titans already gave Rudolph a shot as a #1...and he went 1-4 with an 80.1 passer rating. He is what he is: a career backup.

 

[topseed]

I do think Allar has more talent than Mendoza, but Mendoza is further ahead in the mental aspect. Part of that is he played in an offense that fit his strengths. Plus, he had WRs that made tons on circus catches for him.

OK, Unc.

I don't get why you're hung up on this "talent" thing. Josh Allen was clearly the most talented QB in his draft but wasn't the first picked. It happens all the time. Allen took 3 years to develop. I don;t want to sink multiple years into developing a guy who can be Kirk Cousins level.
The draft is a projection. I want the players with upside, not a bunch of safe picks. That's how the steelers had a bunch of mediocre drafts in Colberts last few years. Maybe that was Tomlin's doing.

I'm not hung up on it. I just think "talent" is a word commonly misconstrued when it comes to describing quarterbacks. Talent is natural aptitude or skill. Being 6'5" tall isn't a skill. Weighing 228 pounds doesn't signify natural aptitude. I guess being able to throw the football long and far could be interpreted as a talent, but what good is a strong arm if you can't perform in the moments that matter on the field?

Josh Allen was the #7 pick in the 2018 draft, and he was one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL after two years, not three. Anybody taking Drew Allar in the top ten would be laughed off the stage. Please don't pretend that they're comparable.

I'd rather they sign Willis. He already has a few years in a similar system. But if the choice of a high pick is Simpson or Allar, I'd rather take the chance on Allar's upside.

Willis is a question mark, too. I don't want the Steelers to use a high pick on Simpson, and I don't want them to use any pick on Allar. Maybe in five or eight years, you can come back and tell me how wrong I was after some guru NFL coach somehow turns Allar around. But I believe that you either have the clutch gene or you don't, and he clearly does not. He'll probably carve out a nice living for himself as a career clipboard holder. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Chadman]

Actually, the Titans already gave Rudolph a shot as a #1...and he went 1-4 with an 80.1 passer rating. He is what he is: a career backup.

To be fair- that same Titans team went 2-10 with Will Levis, so Rudolph is twice the starter he is, statistically...

 

[topseed]

To be fair- that same Titans team went 2-10 with Will Levis, so Rudolph is twice the starter he is, statistically...

Fuzzy math?