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PR/KR in the draft.

Man it seems like players nowadays are not given the benefit of the doubt to have a couple years to develop or adjust to the speed of the NFL, I understand everyone's beef with his size, but give him some time to see if he becomes what we drafted him to be instead of just writing him off after his ROOKIE season. I'm by no means defending the selection, although I did want Archer I just didn't know he'd be taken in the 3rd Rd. I'm just saying the guy is a Steeler lets at least give the benefit of 2-3 years before stating he's a bust. Again I understand why people hate this pick, but there is no guarantee that he will or won't succeed yet, so I'm just pleading for a wait and see approach but everyone has their opinion as this is mine and by no means does it make me right.
 
We could get between 2-4 late comp picks late in this draft. I'd have no issue with using them on a bunch of ST guys for camp bodies. I'd also monitor the Cordarelle Patterson situation if he could be had for a 4th and a 6th.
 
Hanratty said:
Yeah let's compare a 1st round draft pick with a proven position to a small kid who lacks the size to be a running back, never returned punts in college and then failed at the easiest job in the NFL , kick off returner. By the way a ton of players don't get better after their first year and those are the ones that have the measurables which of course the midget doesn't. Again he has incredibly poor vision and that is something that can't be taught but continue hoping.
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Sounds a lot like what people were saying about Willie Parker-only speed. Some even continued saying it while he was rushing for over 5000 yds. Think I'll stick with Haley's evaluation that he can be a contributor. Sometimes we forget the coaches have an advantage in watching these guys practice.
 
obxsteeler said:
Sounds a lot like what people were saying about Willie Parker-only speed. Some even continued saying it while he was rushing for over 5000 yds. Think I'll stick with Haley's evaluation that he can be a contributor. Sometimes we forget the coaches have an advantage in watching these guys practice.
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Speed + Blocking + One Cut = TD
 
obxsteeler said:
Sounds a lot like what people were saying about Willie Parker-only speed. Some even continued saying it while he was rushing for over 5000 yds. Think I'll stick with Haley's evaluation that he can be a contributor. Sometimes we forget the coaches have an advantage in watching these guys practice.
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How dare you imply that it's possible for the coaches to know a little more about the potential of a player than those of us on the outside! I am outraged at your audacity sir. Outraged I tell you. Next you'll be telling us that it's in these coaches' best interest to do everything they possibly can in order to make sure their draft picks reach their potential, and that they have more experience working with and evaluating NFL talent than us fans. Don't you know that if the draft were left to us fans, the Steelers would never make a questionable pick, let alone a flat out wrong one?
 
obxsteeler said:
Sounds a lot like what people were saying about Willie Parker-only speed. Some even continued saying it while he was rushing for over 5000 yds. Think I'll stick with Haley's evaluation that he can be a contributor. Sometimes we forget the coaches have an advantage in watching these guys practice.
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Parker was an UDFA and nobody said anything about bringing him in. Some didn't like the fact that he didn't have a lot of moves. I remember a lot of people talking about Wallace only being a one trick pony... you care to guess how many yards he has? You know how many Steeler rookie records he has?
 
Vader said:
Parker was an UDFA and nobody said anything about bringing him in. Some didn't like the fact that he didn't have a lot of moves. I remember a lot of people talking about Wallace only being a one trick pony... you care to guess how many yards he has? You know how many Steeler rookie records he has?
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The point is Parker came in raw as a rookie. Then learned from the Bus and coaches how to read blocks and when to hit the jets instead of hitting the jets right off the get go. Someone said that could not be taught. Round had nothing to do with it really in the discussion.
 
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Hijaking thread about drafting a wr to return kicks and punts into yet another dri archer debate: priceless!
 
stillwright said:
The point is Parker came in raw as a rookie. Then learned from the Bus and coaches how to read blocks and when to hit the jets instead of hitting the jets right off the get go. Someone said that could not be taught. Round had nothing to do with it really in the discussion.
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Round has everything to do with it. Raw is fine if he isn't a higher pick. You bring in raw UDFA. You don't draft them high. I don't remember anyone saying that reading blocks couldn't be taught. It wasn't even mentioned in Oxy's post at all. Nobody would care at all about Archer if he were brought in as an UDFA. That's the entire issue.
 
Vader said:
Round has everything to do with it. Raw is fine if he isn't a higher pick. You bring in raw UDFA. You don't draft them high. I don't remember anyone saying that reading blocks couldn't be taught. It wasn't even mentioned in Oxy's post at all. Nobody would care at all about Archer if he were brought in as an UDFA. That's the entire issue.
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You quoted obxsteeler(post 37) who quoted hanratty. No where in there do I see about Dri being a third round pick and Parker being an UDFA. I do see at the tail end of Hanratty's post that he mentioned you can't teach reading blocks. Which(and I could be wrong) is where obxsteeler thenbrought his post up where you then quoted him.
 
stillwright said:
You quoted obxsteeler(post 37) who quoted hanratty. No where in there do I see about Dri being a third round pick and Parker being an UDFA. I do see at the tail end of Hanratty's post that he mentioned you can't teach reading blocks. Which(and I could be wrong) is where obxsteeler thenbrought his post up where you then quoted him.
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I was quoting Oxy and didn't even see Hanratty's post. But the Archer vs. Parker comparison makes no sense without discussing where they were drafted (or not drafted). It's really the entire discussion. No matter where you move on Archer he is always coming in last unless you are talking about 40 times in shorts. Parker was bigger, stronger, and a real NFL size RB. He was picked up as an UDFA. Archer is small, weak, no vision and oft injured and was taken in the 3rd round of a deep draft when the Steelers needed a PR/KR as much as Tomlin needs another pair of sunglasses. Right now the Steelers need CBs, DBs, LBs, OL, TEs and probably a safety. Hell they could use a DL as well if they cut Thomas. Which makes last year's drafting of Archer and subsequently Richardson just mind blowingly dumb IMHO.
 
I don't understand why they don't use Archer as a kick returner. He's small, fast, and doesn't do anything else. Unless it's been tried in practice and he sucks.
 
Don't you remember how terrible he was early in the season? Though I don't blame him entirely. The blocking was pretty poor.
 
Steelerfan81 said:
Don't you remember how terrible he was early in the season? Though I don't blame him entirely. The blocking was pretty poor.
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That or his vision was. Or both.
 
Vader said:
I was quoting Oxy and didn't even see Hanratty's post. But the Archer vs. Parker comparison makes no sense without discussing where they were drafted (or not drafted). It's really the entire discussion. No matter where you move on Archer he is always coming in last unless you are talking about 40 times in shorts. Parker was bigger, stronger, and a real NFL size RB. He was picked up as an UDFA. Archer is small, weak, no vision and oft injured and was taken in the 3rd round of a deep draft when the Steelers needed a PR/KR as much as Tomlin needs another pair of sunglasses. Right now the Steelers need CBs, DBs, LBs, OL, TEs and probably a safety. Hell they could use a DL as well if they cut Thomas. Which makes last year's drafting of Archer and subsequently Richardson just mind blowingly dumb IMHO.
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I get what you are saying if you are comparing the two players. I don't think obxsteeler's quote was in regards to this.If you think it was. That's Fine.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
I don't understand why they don't use Archer as a kick returner. He's small, fast, and doesn't do anything else. Unless it's been tried in practice and he sucks.
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I can't remember what our other midget KR's name was............. Logan? We cut him and guess what, he lead the legue in KR yardage...... so cutting Dri isn't an option, just on potential alone.............
AND, why isn't he on a fly pattern once in awhile.................. just asking


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stillwright said:
The point is Parker came in raw as a rookie. Then learned from the Bus and coaches how to read blocks and when to hit the jets instead of hitting the jets right off the get go. Someone said that could not be taught. Round had nothing to do with it really in the discussion.
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Parker was 5-10 212. Archer may be able to read blocks better this year, but he wont be breaking many tackles as he is around 5-8 180.
 
F83 said:
We used a 3rd on Dri make him learn and be a regular returner he @ Brown should be the 2 deep KR with Brown asa the PR, if we can make a move dump DHB and sign D.Moore and team him up with Dri as the KR and 4th WR.
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I hope Brown is only used in emergency punt return situations. I dont think he really returns kicks, although Wheaton does and is decent. The Steelers just need a competent punt returner.
 
I always want a veteran taking the punts that are dropping inside the 20. IMHO, that should always be Brown's job.
 
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