Pickens being traded to Dallas?

[diver]

The money thing just makes no sense. The revenue teams get is pretty much fixed. The Steelers are up against the cap every year. With that being true, where is Rooney saving money, or making more money for himself by not being as successful as in the past?

 

[diver]

He’s just making leaps tryna put words in mouth and say things I never implied…not the first time

That play of his is as predictable as a Tomlin playbook

Nah. It's just illustrating the ridiculous with something equally as ridiculous.

 

[MT~Forged]

The money thing just makes no sense. The revenue teams get is pretty much fixed. The Steelers are up against the cap every year. With that being true, where is Rooney saving money, or making more money for himself by not being as successful as in the past?

The money “thing” does make sense, but it is not the complete issue.
1. Team ownership’s primary concern is to their investment, It has and always will be. How do you save money and help maintain you profits? Well you could pay a smaller coaching staff, or even smaller scouting departments. Maybe you don’t spend the money to enhance the training complex like some teams do.

2. Team ownership’s secondary concern is producing a product that keeps the money rolling in. You do this by hiring a coaching staff that can keep the team in or near contention every year. If you can do that then you don’t need to make wholesale changes. The risk is that if you do something to improve your secondary concern, it could fail and affect your primary concern. Winning playoff games will increase the value of the franchise, but falling out of contention will have a much greater NEGATIVE effect to the value. Some owners will always roll the dice because the upside is greater for them, others will tend to stand pat and hope for a break to go their way.

 

[Drink IRON City]

To me Noel was the only one left in the 3rd and even the needy Cowboys didn't see him worthy of their 3rd, that says a lot and even then, they wouldn't give up the pick for GP, that says a lot more.

As someone else said, we fans were over valuing him Pickens, I was the first to say that a 2nd round pick or nothing, but clearly he was such a headcase + the impending new contract that no one else wanted him nearly as much as I thought.

That was me Litos, I said how the best offered for him PRE-Draft was a 4th. We ended up getting a 3rd and a 5th which a one point prior to that I had said I’d take a 2nd or 3rd and a 5th. I was just spit-wading when I said that.

That 4th prior to the draft showed us as fans, that we g had him over-valued.

I’m happy for what we got for him. The timeing was a little odd, but we also don’t know the behind the scenes of what he is truly like.

Thanks For all your great post(s) along the way, appreciate yaz.!



Salute the nation

 

[diver]

The money “thing” does make sense, but it is not the complete issue.
1. Team ownership’s primary concern is to their investment, It has and always will be. How do you save money and help maintain you profits? Well you could pay a smaller coaching staff, or even smaller scouting departments. Maybe you don’t spend the money to enhance the training complex like some teams do.

2. Team ownership’s secondary concern is producing a product that keeps the money rolling in. You do this by hiring a coaching staff that can keep the team in or near contention every year. If you can do that then you don’t need to make wholesale changes. The risk is that if you do something to improve your secondary concern, it could fail and affect your primary concern. Winning playoff games will increase the value of the franchise, but falling out of contention will have a much greater NEGATIVE effect to the value. Some owners will always roll the dice because the upside is greater for them, others will tend to stand pat and hope for a break to go their way.

OK. Fair enough. But those things mentioned could also be explained as being a more traditional approach to things. Doing things the way you always have. Idk. As an example, I do a lot of clay target shooting. I use old Winchester Model 12s. I'm not doing that because I'm cheap, i just like them. I grew up shooting my grandfather's. Its traditional, not some effort to save money or whatever.

I think it is an unfair accusation to make about Rooney because it's based on emotion, not fact. In a way, I gotta believe that it's tradition and legacy and all that, not some money issue, or like I said in another post...what's the point then? If it is a money thing, I might as well go root for another team after 50+ years or just quit being a football fan. If people really believe that, and it's not just said out of frustration, it's kinda hopeless.

 

[Avoid_Lloyd]

The first reason you give I absolutely agree with. The second, not so much. Idk, pro sports is different. The money is there, pretty much guaranteed. It's why I never had an issue with players wanting more money. So I would think the only way to make more money...to make your organization more valuable than another is through success...the benefits that being a successful, winning organization brings. It's different today than when Connie Mack said something to the effect of a good season for him was if the team was in contention for the majority of the year, but not necessarily winning the pennant. I think it was Connie Mack. I'm just not sure that applies to today with all the different revenue streams. For most of his career it was largely dependent on how many fans came to the game.

I agree there are lots of revenue streams but if people got fed up enough not to show up for games at Acrisure Rooney would probably make a change. I don’t think Rooney wants his bottom line affected or to be embarrassed. Not filling that stadium would embarrass him.

Before you say it would never happen: I live in the Midwest where the St. Louis Cardinals packed 20,000+ into home games year in and out. Finally the fans here got sick of the owner not putting a winning team on the field and being loyal to the GM over winning and this year they are probably drawing 7- 10k a game

I personally believe the Fire Canada chants embarrassed Rooney into telling Tomlin to get rid of him, so what the fans do matters to him. We will see what gets chanted this year if things don’t go well

 

[jitter77]

The Steelers were in a tough spot w/ Pickens, but I would have rolled the dice and see how things went this year. The Oline "should" be better and we brought in a #1 WR. If Pickens started acting up we could have suspended him, benched him, or did an in-season trade. Instead of a 3rd we might have gotten a 4th or 5th, but I think that would have been a gamble worth taking. On the flip side if there was a bunch of behind the scenes issues going on then you cant really fault the team for dumping Pickens, but there should have been a better replacement plan. Now we are pretty much back to square one of last year with no QB and a 30 million / yr WR.

 

[MT~Forged]

OK. Fair enough. But those things mentioned could also be explained as being a more traditional approach to things. Doing things the way you always have. Idk. As an example, I do a lot of clay target shooting. I use old Winchester Model 12s. I'm not doing that because I'm cheap, i just like them. I grew up shooting my grandfather's. Its traditional, not some effort to save money or whatever.

I think it is an unfair accusation to make about Rooney because it's based on emotion, not fact. In a way, I gotta believe that it's tradition and legacy and all that, not some money issue, or like I said in another post...what's the point then? If it is a money thing, I might as well go root for another team after 50+ years or just quit being a football fan. If people really believe that, and it's not just said out of frustration, it's kinda hopeless.

I didn’t attribute my response to any one team, though some of the things do APPEAR to be things the Steelers do and have done in the past.

As far as traditional approaches, my grandfather was a cheap *******, and my father could be too, myself even so at times. These can be traditional approaches, as people tend to do as they learned from those who came before.

 

[diver]

I agree there are lots of revenue streams but if people got fed up enough not to show up for games at Acrisure Rooney would probably make a change. I don’t think Rooney wants his bottom line affected or to be embarrassed. Not filling that stadium would embarrass him.

Before you say it would never happen: I live in the Midwest where the St. Louis Cardinals packed 20,000+ into home games year in and out. Finally the fans here got sick of the owner not putting a winning team on the field and being loyal to the GM over winning and this year they are probably drawing 7- 10k a game

I personally believe the Fire Canada chants embarrassed Rooney into telling Tomlin to get rid of him, so what the fans do matters to him. We will see what gets chanted this year if things don’t go well

The problem is I'm not sure that would ever happen. We are all frustrated with what is going on with the Steelers, we all wish they would have moved on from Tomlin...I really believe that is universal, we just disagree on the semantics at times. But Steeler football is a passion. Look at us here. I don't think any of us are going to give up our Steeler fandom. We are passionately discussion Steeler football...in early May.

 

[diver]

I didn’t attribute my response to any one team, though some of the things do APPEAR to be things the Steelers do and have done in the past.

As far as traditional approaches, my grandfather was a cheap *******, and my father could be too, myself even so at times. These can be traditional approaches, as people tend to do as they learned from those who came before.

I just think making the statement, without proof, that the owner of a sports team only cares about money is as bad an accusation you can make of an owner. It's like saying a pilot is reckless, or a doctor is dismissive or something.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Not really. Your contention about Rooney is stupid. Rooney only cares about money. C'mon. I agree with the idea that as was stated in another post...legacy/values and tradition are the issue. That's pretty damn obvious. You are making a pretty nasty contention about only caring about money. Prove it or shut up about it.

The proof is in the pudding
Open your eyes, your responses have been moronic

He cares about $$$ obviously
If he cared about the product on the field or the COACHING he’d do something about it…he chooses not to and has said as much in direct quotes
All the proof necessary is right before your eyes, all you have to do is open them.

Is your contention that he is actually building something here and cares about having a coaching staff that is up to this centuries’ standards? Laughable

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Nah. It's just illustrating the ridiculous with something equally as ridiculous.

Nah it’s you assuming a bunch of stuff I didn’t say
One of your usual predictable plays

It’s pretty simple but I don’t need to spell it out for you cuz ya can’t fix stupid…done trying

 

[Punxsutawney]

The money thing just makes no sense. The revenue teams get is pretty much fixed. The Steelers are up against the cap every year. With that being true, where is Rooney saving money, or making more money for himself by not being as successful as in the past?

Art2 cares about team success. The problem is that he apparently considers making the playoffs successful enough, even though the team is never even competitive when it gets there.

How else can one explain him sticking with a coach that has had little to no post season success for well over a decade now?

It's a different standard now, and it's hard to give everyone involved the benefit of the doubt due to the QB situation when they did not exactly maximize the second half of Ben's career in the 2010s.

It's hard to blame the QBs for Tomlin's defenses having their poop pushed in during every playoff game in recent memory.

 

[Hypocycloids]

I posted this in the other thread but maybe it works better here.

There were two schools of thought regarding Pickens behavior here…those that said Pickens is, or is going to end up a pain in the *** like those that came before him, myself included, and those that said we were overreacting…nothing to see here.
According to Tomlin and Kahn we win the debate, yay! lol:

“We thought it was best and timely for all parties involved.”

He also acknowledged that the Steelers have had bad luck recently with wide receivers, such as Pickens.
Khan says that the trend of poorly behaved wide receivers has been a pure coincidence,

Proves that Tomlin is a no nonsense guy! What a great coach!

 

[Hypocycloids]

I posted this in the other thread but maybe it works better here.

There were two schools of thought regarding Pickens behavior here…those that said Pickens is, or is going to end up a pain in the *** like those that came before him, myself included, and those that said we were overreacting…nothing to see here.
According to Tomlin and Kahn we win the debate, yay! lol:

“We thought it was best and timely for all parties involved.”

He also acknowledged that the Steelers have had bad luck recently with wide receivers, such as Pickens.
Khan says that the trend of poorly behaved wide receivers has been a pure coincidence,

So all the talk

Proves that Tomlin is a no nonsense guy! What a great coach!

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I agree there are lots of revenue streams but if people got fed up enough not to show up for games at Acrisure Rooney would probably make a change. I don’t think Rooney wants his bottom line affected or to be embarrassed. Not filling that stadium would embarrass him.

Before you say it would never happen: I live in the Midwest where the St. Louis Cardinals packed 20,000+ into home games year in and out. Finally the fans here got sick of the owner not putting a winning team on the field and being loyal to the GM over winning and this year they are probably drawing 7- 10k a game

I personally believe the Fire Canada chants embarrassed Rooney into telling Tomlin to get rid of him, so what the fans do matters to him. We will see what gets chanted this year if things don’t go well

That’s one of the issues…
The wait list is long for season tickets as a team will continue to feast off past performances, brand and reputation. It’s hard to affect the bottom line like the St. Louis fans did.

But you are spot on that he doesn’t like being embarrassed as he broke a long code of not firing in season when the heat was applied.

When a QB is booed following his first throw in the first game of a season that is very telling.
Maybe it will take fans chanting fire Tomlin at Pens games as well as Steeler games…who knows?

Art Nutting is married to the mediocre one for some unknown reason and the results will continue as they have been…not nearly good enough except for the most loyal of dimwitted fans that are in love with brand and color scheme more than a viable and relevant product.

 

[Hypocycloids]

I posted this in the other thread but maybe it works better here.

There were two schools of thought here pertaining to Pickens behavior …those that said Pickens is, or is going to end up a pain in the *** like those that came before him,( my feelings), and those that said we were overreacting…nothing to see here.
According to Tomlin and Kahn we win the debate, yay! lol:

“We thought it was best and timely for all parties involved.”

He also acknowledged that the Steelers have had bad luck recently with wide receivers, such as Pickens.
Khan says that the trend of poorly behaved wide receivers has been a pure coincidence,


Proves that Tomlin is a no nonsense guy! What a great coach!

https://www.steelernation.com/2025/05/10/steelers-mike-tomlin-direct-george-pickens

 

[Drink IRON City]

I posted this in the other thread but maybe it works better here.

There were two schools of thought here pertaining to Pickens behavior …those that said Pickens is, or is going to end up a pain in the *** like those that came before him,( my feelings), and those that said we were overreacting…nothing to see here.
According to Tomlin and Kahn we win the debate, yay! lol:

“We thought it was best and timely for all parties involved.”

He also acknowledged that the Steelers have had bad luck recently with wide receivers, such as Pickens.
Khan says that the trend of poorly behaved wide receivers has been a pure coincidence,


Proves that Tomlin is a no nonsense guy! What a great coach!

https://www.steelernation.com/2025/05/10/steelers-mike-tomlin-direct-george-pickens

3rd times a charm…………………………..



Salute the nation

 

[stillwright]

OK. Fair enough. But those things mentioned could also be explained as being a more traditional approach to things. Doing things the way you always have. Idk. As an example, I do a lot of clay target shooting. I use old Winchester Model 12s. I'm not doing that because I'm cheap, i just like them. I grew up shooting my grandfather's. Its traditional, not some effort to save money or whatever.

I think it is an unfair accusation to make about Rooney because it's based on emotion, not fact. In a way, I gotta believe that it's tradition and legacy and all that, not some money issue, or like I said in another post...what's the point then? If it is a money thing, I might as well go root for another team after 50+ years or just quit being a football fan. If people really believe that, and it's not just said out of frustration, it's kinda hopeless.

The number 200 is important along with the Rooney rule I believe. As I stated before. The Eagles have 2 SB wins since our last playoff win. With two different HCs. And we keep going along with our status quo ground hog day bullshit.

Maybe if Tomlin was noy getting his Tomlinship's every season the Mr. Rooney maybe would have moved on. I don't know. Unfortunately Tomlin doesn't like change himself just as much as the Rooney don't.

 

[NorthernBlitz]

Who said it had to be a 4th round pick for the WR?

They knew he was going to be traded, use an appropriate pick at any round to fill the void even if he wasn’t traded yet. We used to be really good at finding receivers on day 2 of the draft

Where would you have drafted a WR this year? And who?

The reason I thought we'd let him play out his contract was because this wasn't a good WR class, so it wasn't a great year to pick up a WR in the draft.

 

[WindyCitySteel]

Naw….i stand by what I said. Anyone that calls for apologies because he supposedly ( not that I am reading 10 pages) took heat on a football message board is a ******* p ussy.
Goes right along with the type that threatens to block someone. P ussy.

Multiple people in that thread arguing with me actually blocked me, I never blocked anyone. Another swing and miss by the message board tough guy.

 

[WindyCitySteel]

Where would you have drafted a WR this year? And who?

The reason I thought we'd let him play out his contract was because this wasn't a good WR class, so it wasn't a great year to pick up a WR in the draft.

The Stanford kid over Sawyer was the place.

 

[stillwright]

Multiple people in that thread arguing with me actually blocked me, I never blocked anyone. Another swing and miss by the message board tough guy.

I never block anyone either. I don't begrudge anyone that uses that feature though either.