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Who here is an expert on pick plays? The Cheats did it countless times and nothing was called. The announcers kept saying "there's a pick play", one was even on Bush early in the game. We did it and a PI was called. What is the rule? Or is this just something else the Cheats get away with.
 
TDX27 said:
Who here is an expert on pick plays? The Cheats did it countless times and nothing was called. The announcers kept saying "there's a pick play", one was even on Bush early in the game. We did it and a PI was called. What is the rule? Or is this just something else the Cheats get away with.
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The legal play are Rub routes and the illegal play are the Picks. Basic terms of difference is if contact made with the defender is judged as incidental vs. intentional. The intent of a rub route is to alter the running path of the primary defender with the route ran by the secondary receiver.

There is so much action on the field that it's often missed by officials that intentional contact was made which would be offensive pass interference.

Pats are not the only team that runs these. Wes Welker, Julian Edleman types just have made a career with these due to their acceleration and quickness. The primary defender has to avoid contact while trying to stay with the receiver.

The analogy often used to describe the "rub routes"/"pick play" are pick screens in basketball. Often types the best change to defend those are the defense to switch who they are guarding so they aren't fighting through contact and getting beat.

What I don't under stand is why defenses aren't prepared to switch these rub routes. Most QBs are throwing the ball very early in anticipation that their receiver will be wide open. If the defender switches that ball is coming straight to them.

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it didn't hurt the P*ts that Gilmore put in his bid for Best Actor nomination for the oscars when he was bumped. He went ******* FLYING to the ground. You know, after 2 steps.
 
TDX27 said:
So, it's another judgement call and the Cheats will get that call 99% of the time.
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Correct. But when we or any other team tries it against the Cheats, "I believe there was a pick play Sunday night we tried involving Dionte Johnson that got flagged", the refs are right there flags in hand ready to put a stop to it.
 
Stop the ******* whining, Steelers use them too, well, we did, when we had a actual passing attack

both sides were flagged once
 
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wig said:
it didn't hurt the P*ts that Gilmore put in his bid for Best Actor nomination for the oscars when he was bumped. He went ******* FLYING to the ground. You know, after 2 steps.
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I said the exact same thing to my wife.
 
each team got called for 1 OPI(pick play)
the refs arent going to call every one. they will call one once in a while
only stupid coaches dont run more of them
 
They ran those crossing routes short and got the safeties to jump on them late in the game and exploited us deep.
 
I know it will draw a flag, especially against the *'s but once the rub routes come across the middle of the defense, especially the ones within five yards, light the mother ******* WR up. It sets a tone, and sooner or later the other team is gonna run out of WR or develop a bad case of gator arms.
 
Within 1 yard, you can actually hit the defender and pick them intentionally. Over one yard, you have to 'get in their way' so they have to go around you.

That's why the Pats receiver ran straight at our pick and then kicked his legs out from under himself, to get the call. Glancing hit on the left shoulder, and he acted like a Duke basketball player taking a charge...
 
As I said in the thread about everyone being so confident for this game.
It's in NE, and you know some shady **** will be allowed to go on with them and the refs, their WR's pick, not rub, they contacted our DB's on those routes on a few occasions, we do it and it's an immediate flag. The opening drive, Holton has his arm grabbed before the ball gets there and no flag. It always happens there, always. The Jags got ****** on multiple PI's in that AFC title game when they were up 10 in the 4th.
Then on cue once NE is up comfortably, the refs start flagging them.
 
Steelers1356 said:
Correct. But when we or any other team tries it against the Cheats, "I believe there was a pick play Sunday night we tried involving Dionte Johnson that got flagged", the refs are right there flags in hand ready to put a stop to it.
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That was the play that prompted my question. Earlier in the game, the announcers were commenting on the pick play on Bush and another pick play and they acted as if there was nothing wrong. Then, we do it and there's a flag. I had always thought pick plays were illegal but apparently not all are created equal.
 
To me it is unbelievable that DBs didn't appear prepared to deal with rub routes and the transitions that may be necessary when it occurs. How do you not see this coming when you decide to play man coverage? It happened over and over until they decided to switch to a zone later on. Every time we play the Patriots it appears like it's the first time we have ever played them. Like they have NEVER seen this happen before.
 
Within 5 yards of the LOS, defenders are allowed contact with the receivers. Want to stop those ******* pick plays and "rub routes"? Have the defender decapitate receivers as they cross in front of them (the guy setting the pick). Dude will not be fired up for that play after 1-2 times he gets his head caved in.
 
Isn't the best way to handle that is to hand off the recievers, ie switch on them? Maybe that's basketball...
 
Tibs said:
Isn't the best way to handle that is to hand off the recievers, ie switch on them? Maybe that's basketball...
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cant when they're running nearly opposite directions. that would require some serious COD skills.

Saints ran these beautifully last night. just a work of art to watch WRs cutting across the middle, leading the pursuing DBs into each other.
 
Coryea said:
As I said in the thread about everyone being so confident for this game.
It's in NE, and you know some shady **** will be allowed to go on with them and the refs, their WR's pick, not rub, they contacted our DB's on those routes on a few occasions, we do it and it's an immediate flag. The opening drive, Holton has his arm grabbed before the ball gets there and no flag. It always happens there, always. The Jags got ****** on multiple PI's in that AFC title game when they were up 10 in the 4th.
Then on cue once NE is up comfortably, the refs start flagging them.
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Haven't beat them there for 20+ years. That wasn't changing in week 1. I saw absolutely nothing from us that we can compete with them. I know this team will grow over the season but so will NE and now they'll add AB to the mix. We need to get our **** together and stay up with them so we can get home field if that's even attainable or hope KC can beat them. That would also require us to be a 1 seed to force them as a 2-3 seed match up.
 
alancac98 said:
I believe that as long as you don't make contact with the defensive player, all is good, from what I always see.
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I’ve seen New England use an official to gain separation on a route which I think is illegal.


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The ONLY WAY to beat slants and drag routes is playing ZONE. Now, can you mix some man coverage and run zone coverage? Of course! I was very upset that we stayed in man-to-man coverage for the WHOLE NIGHT.

But, perhaps we could run too much zone without Sean Davis out there. Kameron Kelly, while a big guy, he was a liability on Sunday night.

Coach, isn't he your pick to 'already be better' than Davis???
 
I think part of the problem also was that while we were playing man, we weren't pressing the receivers at the LOS, we were playing off man or we'd come up in press position but never actually put hands on the WR at the line. I believe the times we've beaten them is when we've man handled them in press coverage, and it would have thrown off the timing of those pick routes
 
ianv2012 said:
I think part of the problem also was that while we were playing man, we weren't pressing the receivers at the LOS, we were playing off man or we'd come up in press position but never actually put hands on the WR at the line. I believe the times we've beaten them is when we've man handled them in press coverage, and it would have thrown off the timing of those pick routes
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That was definitely part of the issue. After the game they asked the Pats CB Gilmore about matching up with JuJu and what his game plan was, he said, "to get my hands on him immediately"
 
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