Penn State beat by Temple

[DBS1970]

If karma is punishing kids and coaches and even administrators who had nothing to do with anything, then I guess you are right.

It's punishing the organization so yeah karma ************.

 

[DBS1970]

Yeah I'm failing to see the correlation there. Great way to sound like a jackass though

The university that covered it up is getting the karma along with all the PSU fans that made excuses for Joe Pa. If you can't grasp that then you are stuck on stoopid and I can't help you.

 

[diver]

It's punishing the organization so yeah karma ************.

Eww. Ya MF'ed me. Hard ***. Now you got me scared.

I am fine with punishing people actually connected to it. Punish away. I still will never quite see how punishing kids and coaches that had nothing to do with it fixes anything.

 

[oneforthebus]

The university that covered it up is getting the karma along with all the PSU fans that made excuses for Joe Pa. If you can't grasp that then you are stuck on stoopid and I can't help you.

I enjoyed seeing all the pro-Joe t-shirts slinking out of the stadium after the third quarter. It's one thing to continue to support Penn State but to keep worshiping that guy like he is some kind of hero is just a big **** you to the victims.

Oh and it made the traffic leaving a lot lighter. Thanks to all of you fair weather Penn Staters.

 

[Troglodyte]

You aren't really comparing a single alumnus who did bad things in his post-college life with a group of university employees who systematically covered up someone raping kids on school property, are you?

I think it's a little crazy to think that what took place on a football field is negative karma related to the rapes of women or children.

That's just me though, you go on believing whatever it is you need to believe.

 

[oneforthebus]

I think it's a little crazy to think that what took place on a football field is negative karma related to the rapes of women or children.

That's just me though, you go on believing whatever it is you need to believe.

Um, I didn't make the karma comment. I just don't agree the Cosby situation is any sort of relevant comparison though. But you go on believing what you need to believe. I didn't see any Temple fans walking around wearing t-shirts praising Bill Cosby, in fact we're embarrassed when his name comes up. Maybe that's the difference between us and the cult of Blue and White wearing hillbillies. JoePa could probably drug and rape girls himself and some would still blather on about what a great football coach and man he was.

 

[diver]

The fact is that Joe Paterno didn't drug, rape or molest anybody. That's what seems to be forgotten here. To the PSU and Paterno haters, he is more guilty than the actual perpetrator.

It is like so much today, people stake out their position either in 100% in support of something, or 100% against. Too many do not have or choose not to have the intelligence to see that things are shades of gray. I think people that wear the Joe shirts or whatever are doing it more in response to all the piling on Paterno, making him seem more guilty than anyone. ******' 2nd Mile or whatever the charity was that Sandusky started and got most of the kids from hasn't even gotten the same amount of criticism.

 

[Coach]

This is sad.

I have bought into Franklin up to this point but it breaks my heart to say I am questioning his game management skills. I am also questioning his decision to retain John Donovan as his offensive coordinator. I suspect, given Franklin's CEO-like approach to the team, his penchant for public appearances, and his insane recruiting ability, that he runs his team largely like the Steelers do - allowing the coordinators to run their sides of the ball.

It's hard for me to point the finger at Franklin entirely when I look at the defense and see guys flying all around, hitting hard, and shutting down Temple until they had to stay on the field the entire game and undoubtedly had their morale kicked in the teeth by the horrible offense. Bob Shoop is a far above average DC, so what I do not understand is how he can continue to allow John Donovan to ruin the offense, ruin Hackenberg (who is a vastly overrated QB but not nearly as bad as he has looked under the Franklin regime), and lose games for us over and over again.


This is not sustainable.

This could be the worst Penn State team in a long time. Essentially their season is all but over as major problems at QB, OL, head coach, and defense can not be fixed this season.

 

[DBS1970]

The fact is that Joe Paterno didn't drug, rape or molest anybody. That's what seems to be forgotten here. To the PSU and Paterno haters, he is more guilty than the actual perpetrator.

It is like so much today, people stake out their position either in 100% in support of something, or 100% against. Too many do not have or choose not to have the intelligence to see that things are shades of gray. I think people that wear the Joe shirts or whatever are doing it more in response to all the piling on Paterno, making him seem more guilty than anyone. ******' 2nd Mile or whatever the charity was that Sandusky started and got most of the kids from hasn't even gotten the same amount of criticism.

The fact is he did help cover the situation up along with the university though.

 

[oneforthebus]

The fact is that Joe Paterno didn't drug, rape or molest anybody. That's what seems to be forgotten here. To the PSU and Paterno haters, he is more guilty than the actual perpetrator.

It is like so much today, people stake out their position either in 100% in support of something, or 100% against. Too many do not have or choose not to have the intelligence to see that things are shades of gray. I think people that wear the Joe shirts or whatever are doing it more in response to all the piling on Paterno, making him seem more guilty than anyone. ******' 2nd Mile or whatever the charity was that Sandusky started and got most of the kids from hasn't even gotten the same amount of criticism.

Second Mile is gone and Sandusky is in jail. Joe may not have raped anyone but he allowed a known child molester to spend time with children on a daily basis for years. He shares the blame.

 

[diver]

Second Mile is gone and Sandusky is in jail. Joe may not have raped anyone but he allowed a known child molester to spend time with children on a daily basis for years. He shares the blame.

Joe is gone, too.

Should have Joe done more? Without question. Even he acknowledged that.

But this is where you have to see the shades of gray. I know a little about this stuff as it has been my profession for about 25 years. Before the Sandusky thing broke, we were, of course, and that would include Joe, mandated reporters, as we are now. However, now if you report something, you will get some feedback as to whether it was founded or not. You did not previously. I remember making a few reports. The feedback we got on founded or not was simply if the kid was in school the next day, it must have been unfounded. If he went away for a while, it was founded. I remember trying to ask and was told my job was over after I reported it and it was none of my business after that. Therefore, when Joe reported it and saw Sandusky around, it is reasonable, at least to me and my experience, that he figured it was unfounded. That is the way it used to work.

Now I think Joe, with his position and power, should have moved hell and high water to get to the bottom of it, to have something done. I agree with that. I also wonder if Joe really understood it. I know that sounds crazy, but he was an older guy from a different generation. That **** happened in the past, but it was swept under the carpet. To report it you would have had to admit you or your kid was abused. It was the days before political correctness. The abused kid probably would have been teased at school and so on. So you didn't talk about it. That is why Joe shouldn't have been coaching anymore. I think in some ways the guy was out of touch. The days are gone where you can just focus on football and ignore the world around you.

One of the big problems I have with this also is that there are kids being abused all around us all the time. My wife works for an organization that develops the cases when they go to court on parental rights. The **** she sees would make your skin crawl. Are you as righteously indignant about all of that? Are you doing anything about that? Or is the truth more that you disliked Joe and PSU from the get go and now you have some ammunition?

 

[oneforthebus]

One of the big problems I have with this also is that there are kids being abused all around us all the time. My wife works for an organization that develops the cases when they go to court on parental rights. The **** she sees would make your skin crawl. Are you as righteously indignant about all of that? Are you doing anything about that? Or is the truth more that you disliked Joe and PSU from the get go and now you have some ammunition?

I never disliked Joe Paterno. Like the vast majority of people I had a lot of respect for him. Perhaps you need to ask yourself why you feel you must defend him. Would you defend your local high school coach if he had been told an assistant was raping little boys in the locker room, and he didn't go to authorities about it? I doubt it. Take off the Blue and White glasses. I've been a volunteer with children and a Sunday school teacher and (like Joe Paterno) I was a mandated reporter. You're damn straight I'd be indignant if I had personal knowledge of something like that going on. And I'd go directly to the police if my supervisors didn't. I don't give a **** about what's my job and what isn't when LITTLE BOYS ARE BEING RAPED.

This has all been debated to death here though so I'm not going to go any further. I know trying to talk sense to a Penn State cult member is like beating your head against a brick wall.

 

[diver]

I never disliked Joe Paterno. Like the vast majority of people I had a lot of respect for him. Perhaps you need to ask yourself why you feel you must defend him. Would you defend your local high school coach if he had been told an assistant was raping little boys in the locker room, and he didn't go to authorities about it? I doubt it. Take off the Blue and White glasses. I've been a volunteer with children and a Sunday school teacher and (like Joe Paterno) I was a mandated reporter. You're damn straight I'd be indignant if I had personal knowledge of something like that going on. And I'd go directly to the police if my supervisors didn't. I don't give a **** about what's my job and what isn't when LITTLE BOYS ARE BEING RAPED.

This has all been debated to death here though so I'm not going to go any further. I know trying to talk sense to a Penn State cult member is like beating your head against a brick wall.

Hey Jackass, you and DBS are the ones that brought it up with the karma ****. Not me or anyone else. We were discussing what is on the field NOW, not something from years ago until you interjected. So don't act all above the fray now.

I am not defending the guy. Was I not clear in stating he should have done more? He should have moved hell and high water? I am simply saying it isn't black and white with this stuff, unfortunately. If it was, perhaps we could eradicate it. But you cannot ignore the chain of command component of this. You want to, but you cannot if you want to be real, and not full of ****. When I reported something to my supervisors, if I was not satisfied and would have went to the cops, do you know what the cops would've said? You have to go through the chain of command. Mandated reporter reports to supervisor. Supervisor calls Childline. Childline investigates and decides if cops should be notified. It is just the way it was. I know that is inconvenient to your position, but it is fact. So I could have gone to the cops and made a scene and it would not have done a damn thing.

 

[Troglodyte]

Um, I didn't make the karma comment. I just don't agree the Cosby situation is any sort of relevant comparison though.

If you didn't think it was karma, why even challenge a comparison that was a mockery of the whole idea?