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I'm late to the party but here's my take on the QB class.
QB: 1) Bradshaw - 4-0 in SB and the big factor in 3 of them. Even in SB IX, he had the game clincher to Grossman; 2) Roethlisberger - 2 - 1 in SB in the modern era but still didn't play all that well in SB XL; 3) O'Donnell - best of a bad lot in the dark ages of the 80's but at least got us to a SB even if he blew chunks; 4) Layne, although I know little or nothing about him; 5) Kordell - hot and cold but at times he played lights out.
 
1. Harris - Franco was money in the big games.
2. Bettis - Battering ram Bettis; I always hated it when they tried to run him wide. The only time he beats you with speed is if he gets away at the 5.
3. Bell - Even if this is his last year - and it likely is - he is a solid 3.
4. Parker - His TD run in SB XL was a back breaker.
5. John Henry Johnson - I really don't know enough about him except reputation.
6. Bleier - I'm going to put Rocky at #6 for his blocking ability alone.
7. Foster - Got us to SB XXX.
8. Pollard
9. Mendenhall
10. Hoge
 
1 ) Brown. Have to put him at the top of the list.
2 ) Stallworth. If we didn't have Brown, he'd still be the best ever.
3 ) Ward. It's tough - I think Stallworth was better than Swann but I put Ward ahead of Swann because of his ability to block as well.
4 ) Swann. I could have flipped him with Ward - no one had the acrobatic ability of Lynn Swann.
5 ) Lipps. Another player relegated to the dark ages of the 80's.
6 ) Dial. I did not see him play either but 8th all time with over 20 yards per catch merits 6.
7 ) Holmes
8 ) Thigpen
9 ) Burress
10) Wallace - I think he was too much of a one-trick pony
 
Tight End
1. Heath Miller - no question about it.
2. Randy Grossman. Randy was solid and I believe took the place of Larry Brown when they moved him to tackle.
3. Bennie Cunningham. Bennie was probably the better athlete than Randy but Randy produced.
4. Mark Bruener was solid even if he wasn't Heath
3. Eric Green. Green had the potential to be great but I think Noll once said that potential is what gets coaches fired.
 
1. Harris - Franco was money in the big games.
2. Bettis - Battering ram Bettis; I always hated it when they tried to run him wide. The only time he beats you with speed is if he gets away at the 5.
3. Bell - Even if this is his last year - and it likely is - he is a solid 3.
4. Parker - His TD run in SB XL was a back breaker.
5. John Henry Johnson - I really don't know enough about him except reputation.
6. Bleier - I'm going to put Rocky at #6 for his blocking ability alone.
7. Foster - Got us to SB XXX.
8. Pollard
9. Mendenhall
10. Hoge

Thanks. On Barry Foster I think he was out by he time the Steelers made superbowl XXX.. Bam Morris was our back for that game.
 
Roethlisberger. I've been lucky enough to watch a lot of great players in Pittsburgh, but even with Polamalu here, Roethlisberger has been the most fun to watch. He has done it all and would get a lot more credit if not for playing during an era that included Manning and Brady.

Absolutely. Without That other guy and his teams "shenanigans" Ben could very well have as many rings or more than Bradshaw.

Also through the magic of YouTube you can go back and watch some old steeler games, and the selective memory gets to see Bradshaw had made some horrible decisions and threw some terrible balls as well.


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Absolutely. Without That other guy and his teams "shenanigans" Ben could very well have as many rings or more than Bradshaw.

Also through the magic of YouTube you can go back and watch some old steeler games, and the selective memory gets to see Bradshaw had made some horrible decisions and threw some terrible balls as well.


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The difference is that Bradshaw was "that other guy".
 
TOP 5 Tackles, Guards and Centers.

The Steelers have had many quality offensive tackles since the AFL-NFL merger. While we lack a hall of fame player, we have had several make the pro bowl. As such picking five is difficult as there isn't much separation between the players.

Guards and Centers to me are easier as we have had our share of great ones.

Offensive Tackles:


1. Kolb. Kolb was durable and freakishly strong. How strong? He came in 4th twice in the world strongest man competition. Kolb was selected as a 1st or 2nd team all pro by Pro football weekly and UPI from 1974-1979. One of the most underrated Steelers of all time, he protected Terry Bradshaw's blind side.

2 . Ilkin. A durable technician, Iklin wasn't that big, fast or strong. Consistency and technique were hallmarks of his game. He made two pro bowls. I believe he had a season where he allowed zero sacks, which is a rarity for any offensive tackle.

3. Villanueva. A mountain of man, Big Al is a powerhouse run blocker and a competent pass protector. While he has only played three seasons for the Steelers, the last one earned him a pro bowl. Three years from now, he has a chance to rate higher.

4. Larry Brown. A converted Tight End, Brown shined at right tackle for the Steelers. He made the pro bowl in 1982

5. Gilbert. Gilbert is a very good player as a pass blocker and run blocker. I've given him the 5th spot

Honorable mention: Starks, Jackson, Smith, and Searcy all of whom are very even in comparison to each other in my opinion!


Guards: We had two great one, and a few good ones.

1. Faneca Perhaps the best run blocking guard in the history of the NFL, Faneca was a juggernaut like force, capable of pulling and opening holes. A good athlete, he could hold his own at Center or Tackle too. Likely hall of fame bound with nine pro bowls, and 5 all pros attached to his resume.

2. Decastro One of the best guards in the game today, Decastro is for his size is has good balance and atheism. He isn't that strong, rather he's a durable technician with a strong will to win. 3 pro bowls, two all-pros

3. Long. Long was a built like a fire hydrant, short, but powerful and explosive. A decent player and starter for the Steelers

4. Colon. A better guard than Tackle.

5. Courson. A player I've meet, Courson was a strong guard on some of the super bowl teams,

Honorable mention: Haslirig, Kemo, Mullins, Foster.


Centers. The Steelers talent as Center historically speaking since the NFL merger is as good as any other three teams!

1. Webster. Iron Mike was super strong, durable as a piece or iron and an excellent technician, often calling the offensive plays for the Steelers. A face mask first bull strong type of run blocker with vice-like hands, few got past him in pass protection. Hall of fame player, 9 pro bowls, 5 all pro's

2. Dawson. The best pulling center or all time, Dirt was everything you want a center to be. The only drawback was his inconsistency snapping the ball in the shotgun. Hall of fame player, 7 pro bowls, 6 all pro's

3. Pouncey - A top pulling center, and good pass protector. Run blocking is just so-so. 6 pro bowls, 2 all pro's

4. Mansfield. A fine center who played on many bad teams, he was the man until Mike Webster came along.

5. Hartings may have had the ability to rate higher on this list. Only playing 6 seasons with the Steelers hurts his standing. Two pro bowls, 1 all pro.

Honorable mention: I struggle to find one because our starter at center usually played a long time at a very high level. I'll list one name. Duffy.
 
For centers, Dawson is the top. He changed what it meant to be a center, and changed our running style for the better. Dawson will always be the best to me because he changed the game.
 
Offensive Tackles:

1. Kolb. Kolb was durable and freakishly strong. How strong? He came in 4th twice in the world strongest man competition. Kolb was selected as a 1st or 2nd team all pro by Pro football weekly and UPI from 1974-1979. One of the most underrated Steelers of all time, he protected Terry Bradshaw's blind side.

2 . Ilkin. A durable technician, Iklin wasn't that big, fast or strong. Consistency and technique were hallmarks of his game. He made two pro bowls. I believe he had a season where he allowed zero sacks, which is a rarity for any offensive tackle.

3. Villanueva. A mountain of man, Big Al is a powerhouse run blocker and a competent pass protector. While he has only played three seasons for the Steelers, the last one earned him a pro bowl. Three years from now, he has a chance to rate higher.

4. Larry Brown. A converted Tight End, Brown shined at right tackle for the Steelers. He made the pro bowl in 1982

5. Gilbert. Gilbert is a very good player as a pass blocker and run blocker. I've given him the 5th spot

Honorable mention: Starks, Jackson, Smith, and Searcy all of whom are very even in comparison to each other in my opinion!

I think most of your rankings have been solid, but not here.

I'm good with Kolb and then Tunch at the top and I think you have Brown next. Villanueva doesn't even sniff my top five. I would have Smith, Jackson, Searcy, and Gilbert all ahead of him. You even have to go Frank Varrichione, a four-time Pro Bowler and two-time All-Pro ahead of Big Al.
 
Offensive Tackles:

1. Kolb. No question in my mine.
2. Larry Brown. I recall a big dropoff when Brown left. He made people disappear and allowed Rocky Bleier to score on a 71 yard TD run (OK, it was against Cleveland)
3. Ilkin
4. Max Starks
5. Villanueva

Honorable mention: Smith, Jackson, Searcy although I thought he left quite early in his career to J-ville.


Guards: We had two great one, and a few good ones.

1. Faneca is safe in first place for now.
2. Decastro
3. Sam Davis. Didn't get much love but I seem to remember him handling Randy White in both SB X and SB XIII
4. Steve Courson
5. "Moon" Mullins

Honorable mention to Long, Colon, Haselrig


Centers.

1. Webster. I put him at the top with Dawson a close second.
2. Dawson.
3. Hartings
4. Mansfield
5. Pouncey
 
Offensive Tackles:


1. Larry Brown.
2. Marvel Smith
3. Kolb
4. John Jackson
5. Searcy

Guards:

1. Faneca
2. Long.
3. Decastro
4. Steve Courson
5. Wolfly
Honorable Mention: Sam Davis., and Carlton Hasslerig. Probowler but short career. Centers.

Center
1. Dawson
2. Webster
3. Pouncey
4. Mansfield
5. Hartings
 
Offensive Tackles:


1. Larry Brown.
2. Marvel Smith
3. Kolb
4. John Jackson
5. Searcy

Guards:

1. Faneca
2. Long.
3. Decastro
4. Steve Courson
5. Wolfly
Honorable Mention: Sam Davis., and Carlton Hasslerig. Probowler but short career. Centers.

Center
1. Dawson
2. Webster
3. Pouncey
4. Mansfield
5. Hartings

Agree completely with with the centers and guards. Starks is #3 in my book. Won a SB both as a left and right tackle.
 
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1. John Kolb.
2. Tunch Ilkin.
3. Larry Brown.
4. Max Starks.
5. Big Al. Will rank higher with more time.
Honorable Mention: Leon Searcy, Marcus Gilbert, Marvel Smith, John Jackson.
Bag of Dicks: Mike Adams, Mark Behning, Shar Pourdanesh

OG
1. Alan Faneca.
2. Dave DeCastro.
3. Steve Courson. I met him too, worked with him once or twice in a charity event. Very quiet and very nice.
4. Terry Long. When busted for steroids, John Steigerwald famously said "God didn't create men who looked like Terry Long."
5. Craig Wofley, like his teammate Ilkin he was on the small side but an excellent technician.
Honorable Mention: Kemo, Bruce Van Dyke, Gerry Mullins, Sam Davis.
Bag Of Dicks: Carlton Haselrig (drank himself out of the league), John Reinstra (mental health issues),

C
1. Dermontti Dawson. I know Webster has 4 SB rings but on balance Dirt was better.
2. Mike Webster.
3. Jeff Hartings. One of the Steelers' best FA pickups. Guard, wasn't a career center, but very good.
4. Maurkice Pouncey. Very good but I'll knock him down a notch due to his history of injuries at the worst possible times.
5. Ray Mansfield. Another very good technical player.
Honorable Mention: Jim Clack. Backup to Mansfield and Webster, played well when he had the chance, also filled in at OG.
Bag Of Dicks: Dan Turk. Granted Mike Webster was a hard act to follow but this guy was freaking awful.
 
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I was referring to The Uggs spokesperson in NE. Without him and their scandals, Ben could very well be at 4 or 5 Super Bowls as well.

To compare QB Ratings side by side Between Bradshaw and Ben. it wasnt close.

Bradshaw (Career) 70.9
Ben (Career) 94.0

Now I know the ball goes in the air more today so you can't compare yardages, and it may also tweek the QB ratings, but to look at these stats......

TD/INT for their careers: Completion Percentage
Brad 212-210 51,9
Ben 329-174 64.1

Bradshaw threw a TD on 5.4% of his passes. Ben throws a TD on 5.1% of his.
Bradshaw threw an INT on 5.4% of his passes. Ben thows a pick on 2.1% of his.

I know we all like to measure success by the rings, but there a lot of factors the have nothing to do with the QB that go into getting the ring as well. I mean to use rings as the number one quantifier tells me you would rather have Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, and Nick Foles as opposed to Dan Fouts, Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly.

I'd take Ben over Bradshaw without thinking twice.
 
Top ten DL players. A hard list to make as you have to consider the 3-4 and 4-3. A heavy consideration will be the value of the time they played in, as many stats such as sacks, and battled passes were not listed pre 1982.


1 ) Joe Greene. A very difficult to block type of player, Greene made 5 all pro's and 10 pro bowls. Very tough to run on, with a good, but not great pass rush. He'd have more sacks in a modern passing era. A leader who hated to lose, his jersey is officially retired.

2 ) Coming up with #2 is not easy! I'll go with Ernie Stautner based on him making 10 all pro's teams and his jersey also being retired. He must have been something in the 1950's to 1960's. An expectation type of pick

3 ) L.C. Greenwood. A top pass rusher who played in a time when passing was not as common, Greenwood had 73 career sacks and 14 fumble recoveries. He played in 6 pro bowls, which back then were fairly voted. You could argue on another team, he would make the hall of fame.

4 ) Aaron Smith. Smith was a top DE in a 3-4 system, capable of taking on any offensive lineman, freeing up linebackers to make plays. A very tough to move type of player, Dick LeBeau called him the best player on his defense. A decent pass rusher, who deflected his share of passed with good range and tackling ability to defend the run.

5 ) Cameron Heyward. Heyward had a breakout season, collection 12 sacks in 2017. If he can play at this level, he'll rater higher. Previous to 2017 he was one of those very good players. Can he be great again?

6 ) Casey Hampton. The perfect 3-4 Nose Tackle, Hampton had an absolutely massive frame very thick and strong legs and a low center of gravity. He was seldom pushed backward or trapped, allowing his inside linebackers a chance to shine and ab absolute will near the goal line. Not much of a pass rusher.

7 ) Dwight White. White was a very good, but not truly great player on the 1970's teams who played in two pro bowls, who had a knack for making big plays such interceptions ( 4 total ) or safeties ( 2 total ), a rarity for any defensive lineman. A good pass rusher as well with 46 career stats.

7 ) Keith Wills. A good pass rusher who played on some mediocre to bad teams, Willis had 59 career sacks, being a marked man in the process of a very bad pass rush.

8 ) Kimo von Oelhoffen. A big man, capable of playing NT, DE or DT, Kimo made a lot of plays for us over the years, including taking out Carson Palmer which helped us advance to the super bowl. He was sold vs the run or pass.

9 ) Joel Steed. Not in Hampton's class, he was a very good nose tackle who won most of his battles and assignment.

10 Brett Keisel. A solid player, who started for many years, Keisel made a pro bowl one year.

Honorable Mention - Gerald Williams.
 
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