Ok hold on now, Maybe we need to increase global warming! Winter Is Coming!

[IndySteel]

They never had credibility. Global warming has been a hoax since day one and even more so when Al Gore shat it out.

 

[Vis]

They never had credibility. Global warming has been a hoax since day one and even more so when Al Gore shat it out.

Yep. it's an international long con that even BP is part of.

OFTB see what I mean about the types of threads a lack of good science teaching causes?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

OFTB see what I mean about the types of threads a lack of good science teaching causes?

Apparently we've been missing English classes as well...

 

[ark steel]

Apparently we've been missing English classes as well...

yeah, he spelled "indoctrination of leftist theology" as "good science teaching causes"...

 

[Vis]

yeah, he spelled "indoctrination of leftist theology" as "good science teaching causes"...

Facts are not political.

 

[ark steel]

Facts are not political.

LOL, OK.

So, your contention is that the US is falling behind in math and science because 1) we teach creationism in science class (even though a million years ago when I was in school in the deep south, we never were taught creationism in science class) and 2) we don't teach Global Warming, errr Climate change, strongly enough (even though a million years ago when I was in school in the deep south, we were taught, often that a new Ice Age was coming). Oh, and I hear from my kids (who take science classes these days) about all of the talk of Global Warm.., err Climate Change, in their science classes.

Right. Because without those two subjects there simply isn't enough science left to be taught. Good Talk.

 

[Vis]

LOL, OK.

So, your contention is that the US is falling behind in math and science because 1) we teach creationism in science class (even though a million years ago when I was in school in the deep south, we never were taught creationism in science class) and 2) we don't teach Global Warming, errr Climate change, strongly enough (even though a million years ago when I was in school in the deep south, we were taught, often that a new Ice Age was coming). Oh, and I hear from my kids (who take science classes these days) about all of the talk of Global Warm.., err Climate Change, in their science classes.

Right. Because without those two subjects there simply isn't enough science left to be taught. Good Talk.

No. We don't teach evolution properly because of pressure from creationists. I thought I was clear.

Teaching global warming isn't the issue. The issue is that scientifically illiterate people are more likely to be deniers. The other problem is the social reinforcement deniers get. When someone can't answer a simple geography question we bemoan the education system but at least their failure doesn't get "likes". Science deniers do, see above.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Facts are not political.

English errors are addressable, and preventable.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

No. We don't teach evolution properly because of pressure from creationists. I thought I was clear.

Teaching global warming isn't the issue. The issue is that scientifically illiterate people are more likely to be deniers. The other problem is the social reinforcement deniers get. When someone can't answer a simple geography question we bemoan the education system but at least their failure doesn't get "likes". Science deniers do, see above.

I 100% disagree. Those with an education tend to challenge Global Warming vs. having the fleece pulled over their eyes. Those who are less educated tend to consume what the media and Government feeds them.

Those with an education look at this so called "science" (it's not) and question the validity of the findings and the falsification of data.

This argument is no different than the uneducated voter story. They buy what the Democrats feed them.

 

[Vis]

I 100% disagree. Those with an education tend to challenge Global Warming vs. having the fleece pulled over their eyes. Those who are less educated tend to consume what the media and Government feeds them.

Those with an education look at this so called "science" (it's not) and question the validity of the findings and the falsification of data.

This argument is no different than the uneducated voter story. They buy what the Democrats feed them.

Media and gov't? Is that where it comes from? It's not the actual people all around the world who really are climate scientists who brought up this issue? Which government is at fault?

 

[IndySteel]

Facts are not political.

Yes they are. Falsifying facts such as global warming is a political ploy by the commies. So is misreporting the facts about unemployment. Some facts are even racist, such as crime statistics.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Media and gov't? Is that where it comes from? It's not the actual people all around the world who really are climate scientists who brought up this issue? Which government is at fault?

Did you even comprehend what I wrote? You ascertained that smarter people would be more likely to accept Global Warming/Pending Ice Age/Climate Change vs. uneducated people.

That simply isn't true. The less educated a person, the less he/she questions and the more likely they are to accept what is reported by the media or what the Government tells them "is true."

 

[Vis]

Did you even comprehend what I wrote? You ascertained that smarter people would be more likely to accept Global Warming/Pending Ice Age/Climate Change vs. uneducated people.

That simply isn't true. The less educated a person, the less he/she questions and the more likely they are to accept what is reported by the media or what the Government tells them "is true."

I understood the words but not why you would believe those words. The smarter someone is, the more likely they can understand the data and the less likely they are to believe the denier sites. Of course some very smart people are bought off by Koch, etc... I still don't understand why you seem to think it's a fabrication of media or government when it's worldwide. The American right is almost alone in the denial business.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I understood the words but not why you would believe those words. The smarter someone is, the more likely they can understand the data and the less likely they are to believe the denier sites. Of course some very smart people are bought off by Koch, etc... I still don't understand why you seem to think it's a fabrication of media or government when it's worldwide. The American right is almost alone in the denial business.

You are so deep into this Religion Vis, it's actually funny...knowing you're an atheist.

Common fact...the less educated someone is, the less they question. The more educated, the more they question. You claim the opposite.

SMH.

 

[Vis]

You are so deep into this Religion Vis, it's actually funny...knowing you're an atheist.

Common fact...the less educated someone is, the less they question. The more educated, the more they question. You claim the opposite.

SMH.

While that is true, questioning leads to answers and the answer is that it's happening. I don't claim the opposite, I'm amazed at how many reach the wrong conclusion.

 

[ark steel]

Media and gov't? Is that where it comes from? It's not the actual people all around the world who really are climate scientists who brought up this issue? Which government is at fault?

If an oil company pays a scientist to give an opinion, it is bad. When the government give grants to scientists, well, that is OK.

 

[Vis]

If an oil company pays a scientist to give an opinion, it is bad. When the government give grants to scientists, well, that is OK.

Which government?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

While that is true, questioning leads to answers and the answer is that it's happening. I don't claim the opposite, I'm amazed at how many reach the wrong conclusion.

You stand corrected. Even your side acknowledges that intelligence has NOTHING to do with being a denier or not.

http://www.randalolson.com/2014/09/13/who-are-the-climate-change-deniers/

Surprisingly, income and educational attainment have no effect whatsoever on whether someone accepts that climate change is occurring or not: The “Yes” answers float around 70% regardless of whether the poll respondent brings in $20,000 or $200,000 a year. This finding seems to hint that knowledge has very little to do with whether someone accepts climate change nowadays.

Next?

 

[Vis]

You stand corrected. Even your side acknowledges that intelligence has NOTHING to do with being a denier or not.

http://www.randalolson.com/2014/09/13/who-are-the-climate-change-deniers/



Next?

If you believe the denier BS, you aren't educated (I'm not talking about some business degree, I'm talking about science literacy) or you hit your head.

Next.

 

[Vis]

From a conservative:

It’s time for conservatives to end the denial on climate change

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...6ae6c2-1b5d-11e5-93b7-5eddc056ad8a_story.html

But the dysfunctional American debate on climate change illustrates a broader challenge. Ten or 15 years ago, this issue was less divisive. But it got pulled into the polarization vortex. And now the two sides do not merely hold different policy views; they have different versions of reality. The camps not only advocate different solutions; they also inhabit different factual universes.

Many conservative Republicans now deny the existence or danger of human-caused warming and routinely question the motives of scientists who speak up on the issue. For a conservative to stray from skepticism is regarded as ideological betrayal.

In a recent National Affairs essay, Jim Manzi and Peter Wehner provide an explanation: “The Republican position — either avowed ignorance or conspiracy theorizing — is ultimately unsustainable, but some still cling to it because they believe that accepting the premise that some climate change is occurring as a result of human action means accepting the conclusions of the most rabid left-wing climate activists. They fear, at least implicitly, that the politics of climate change is just a twisted road with a known destination . . . ceding yet another key economic sector to government control.”

This is the temptation of the ideologically intense on the left and right: Truth exists to serve the narrative rather than the narrative arising from truth. It is a malady easy to see in others and harder to diagnose in ourselves. But it is dangerous to democracy. Without a common factual basis, it is impossible to make incremental progress on public matters. All that remains are shouting matches and power plays.

The pope’s views on climate change are shared by every national academy of science in the world, including our own. But, as Manzi and Wehner demonstrate in their essay, there are distinctly conservative responses to global warming, particularly in promoting energy innovation.

Conservatives can choose their policy reaction but not their own reality.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

From a conservative:

It’s time for conservatives to end the denial on climate change

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...6ae6c2-1b5d-11e5-93b7-5eddc056ad8a_story.html

LOL, from a Conservative (so he's an idiot).

Is this like us referencing over and over that Kim Davis is a Democrat...making her somehow more or less a bigot?

When NASA and NOAA and Governments around the globe stop falsifying data, when the science is made to stand up to true scientific measures, then perhaps they may be able to make a point. An .8 degree increase in temps in the past 100 years, and 15 years of no change in temps, doesn't scare a lot of people.

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Who cares about all this global warming bullshit. We were designed to go to the stars, blow up enemy planets and kiss green women. I want our scientists to start making real-world light sabers. They may not be efficient but cool as **** and will scare the hell out of the moon men.

 

[Vis]

LOL, from a Conservative (so he's an idiot).

Is this like us referencing over and over that Kim Davis is a Democrat...making her somehow more or less a bigot?

When NASA and NOAA and Governments around the globe stop falsifying data, when the science is made to stand up to true scientific measures, then perhaps they may be able to make a point. An .8 degree increase in temps in the past 100 years, and 15 years of no change in temps, doesn't scare a lot of people.

Such a massive hoax just to sell you tinfoil hats

 

[Spike]

Ted Cruz schools climate change activist

Cruz- “Sir I told you I’m not going cross-examined. Let’s step back for a second and look at this with some historical perspective. Thirty to forty years ago there were a group of political liberal and scientists who said we were facing global cooling. They said we were headed toward a global ice age and the solution to global cooling was increased was massive government control of the economy, the energy sector, and every aspect of our lives. Then the data disproved it. It was not in fact correct that we were seeing global cooling. So that was kind of a problem.

Then many of these same political liberals, and many of these same scientists they then latched on to a new theory, it’s called global warming. And the new theory of global warming interestingly enough, the solution was the exact same as the solution had been for global cooling. It was massive government control of the economy, the energy sector, and every aspect of our lives. But then the problem became the data and evidence didn’t back up global warming. In particular if you look at the satellite data. Listen I am the son of two scientists and mathematicians. It is the essence of science to look to the evidence. In the last eighteen years there has been no meaningful recorded warming according to the satellite data.

So all of a sudden all these political liberals, the evidence and data didn’t back them up. So then the theory changed to a third version, it’s just been in the last few years when the theory magically transformed into climate change. And climate change from the perspective of a political liberal who wants government power climate change is the perfect pseudo-scientific theory.

Why is that? Because it can never be disproven. Whether it’s hotter or colder, whether is wetter or drier the climate is always changing. Now you asked a question, ‘do you believe in climate change?’. Of course! From the dawn of time the climate has been changing. Until the end of time the climate will change. And yet interestingly enough the political liberals, their solution to climate change is exactly the same as it was to global cooling and global warming. Massive government control of the economy, energy sector, and our lives.

And when you start to see politicians who propose the exact same solution to every problem regardless of the facts or the data you start to think these are politicians who just want power over our lives.

You know what I’m interested in? I’m interested in the single moms who are working here who are struggling to feed their families and are seeing their electric bills skyrocketing because these political liberals are driving up their electric bills, driving up their energy bills, making it harder and harder to provide for their kids. We need to follow the facts and data and not just give power to a bunch of out of touch elites in Washington over our lives.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoMIq50uc5k

 

[Vis]

Ted Cruz schools climate change activist

Cruz- “Sir I told you I’m not going cross-examined. Let’s step back for a second and look at this with some historical perspective. Thirty to forty years ago there were a group of political liberal and scientists who said we were facing global cooling. They said we were headed toward a global ice age and the solution to global cooling was increased was massive government control of the economy, the energy sector, and every aspect of our lives. Then the data disproved it. It was not in fact correct that we were seeing global cooling. So that was kind of a problem.

Then many of these same political liberals, and many of these same scientists they then latched on to a new theory, it’s called global warming. And the new theory of global warming interestingly enough, the solution was the exact same as the solution had been for global cooling. It was massive government control of the economy, the energy sector, and every aspect of our lives. But then the problem became the data and evidence didn’t back up global warming. In particular if you look at the satellite data. Listen I am the son of two scientists and mathematicians. It is the essence of science to look to the evidence. In the last eighteen years there has been no meaningful recorded warming according to the satellite data.

So all of a sudden all these political liberals, the evidence and data didn’t back them up. So then the theory changed to a third version, it’s just been in the last few years when the theory magically transformed into climate change. And climate change from the perspective of a political liberal who wants government power climate change is the perfect pseudo-scientific theory.

Why is that? Because it can never be disproven. Whether it’s hotter or colder, whether is wetter or drier the climate is always changing. Now you asked a question, ‘do you believe in climate change?’. Of course! From the dawn of time the climate has been changing. Until the end of time the climate will change. And yet interestingly enough the political liberals, their solution to climate change is exactly the same as it was to global cooling and global warming. Massive government control of the economy, energy sector, and our lives.

And when you start to see politicians who propose the exact same solution to every problem regardless of the facts or the data you start to think these are politicians who just want power over our lives.

You know what I’m interested in? I’m interested in the single moms who are working here who are struggling to feed their families and are seeing their electric bills skyrocketing because these political liberals are driving up their electric bills, driving up their energy bills, making it harder and harder to provide for their kids. We need to follow the facts and data and not just give power to a bunch of out of touch elites in Washington over our lives.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoMIq50uc5k

All based on American politics. The right thinks that's what it's about while ignoring that every scientific society in every country has to be in on the hoax with only our valiant coal, and oil industries protecting us from the lie.