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Official Day 2 Draft Discussion May 1st

Golson was such a bad pick that I will not watch the draft anymore. They didn't have the balls to give up a pick to move up for Maxx. I would have at least taken PJ Williams in rd 2. Just plain ******* sad.
 
Worst draft I have seen in 10 years. After Dupree our picks suck.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
What if the steelers did get Maxx Williams? Do they still takes Coates in the 3rd? They'd probably be forced to take a CB.

Maybe the Ravens trading up for Williams is a blessing in disguise as it may have meant the steelers didn't take a DB until RD 4 and that would be a bad draft.
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This is kind of what I am thinking........players can unfairly slide because of physical attributes. It does not mean they can't be a player.

Heart is what makes a player great. Talent and heart can easily overcome a shortcoming in physical attribute.

Golson appears to be well stocked in both. Of all the selections so far in the draft he is the one who will make an immediate impact for the Steelers. Imagine seeing takeaways again.

It was reported after the combine that Max Williams turned off a lot of teams because of his attitude. We need leaders.
 
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SteelBuckeye said:
I absolutely LOVE how every year at this time folks start talking about how they could have or should have traded up/down .... as if 1) they were working the draft for the Steelers and absolutely, positively know for a fact that no attempt was made. Which, if I'm not mistaken, reports were that they did try to trade up in the second and couldn't get a deal done (possibly because they weren't willing to trade away the farm). And 2) As if if just wishing for a trade makes it feasible.

Btw, for those talking about how the Ravens hosed us in the second (which they did), it appears that all they could do in the first was sit back and watch helplessly as the Steelers took the player they wanted (Dupree).

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2015/05/report-ravens-cardinals-both-wanted-to-draft-bud-dupree/
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I would like to see a mock of the NFL draft utilizing the trades of picks that actually did happen......some teams gave up a lot....some very little.

Looks like Arians wanted to stick it to Art Tombert............I wonder which team ratted us out?
 
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Super Dave said:
This is kind of what I am thinking........players can unfairly slide because of physical attributes. It does not mean they can't be a player.

Heart is what makes a player great. Talent and heart can easily overcome a shortcoming in physical attribute.
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NFL teams spend the fall figuring out why they want to draft players based on what they see on the field.

They then spend winter and spring figuring out why they don't want to draft those same players based on what they see off the field.

They often spend the following fall remembering why they wanted to draft those players in the first place.
 
ZACKB said:
Golson was such a bad pick that I will not watch the draft anymore. They didn't have the balls to give up a pick to move up for Maxx. I would have at least taken PJ Williams in rd 2. Just plain ******* sad.
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We'll be fine. Maxx Williams is not the end-all be-all of TE's
 
After I left the board last night I looked at Golson and he has a few things that should work well for us. He is fast and actually plays faster. He is a good leader on the team and plays generally with a cool head. He likely has better hands than Coates if you don't mind some hyperbole. The kid intercepted 10 passes and broke up passes that were intended for players much bigger than him. He is a willing tackler and will go after anyone. He has been used as a blitzer on occasion.

He has nearly everything we were looking for with one exception, the area he comes up short in is his height other than that he is a very good pick. After doing some research on him I am thinking the pick was a reach but was likely needed at that time. There was one cornerback I would have rather had that was available when we picked but we would have needed to spend a first round pick on him and that was Byron Jones who was taken right after we picked Dupree.

Just as you can't make people trade with you or force them to let the guys you want fall to your spot sometimes you need to reach for a player you want or you will get players you don't want and then cut which is really a waste of a pick. In looking at what was there we could have taken another linebacker and said the hell with corner as there was value there or gone for the best cover guy we could get 10 interceptions last year by this kid makes him pretty good.
 
Coates is fast and a developmental pick. He spends his time taking the top off the coverage. In some plays having him, Brown, Bryant, Bell, and Miller on the field will cause lots of problems for teams to cover and should eliminate putting guys up in the box they will have to cover the whole field. The tight ends in this draft do not impress me with their talent. The best ones would only be ok in the nfl. There are no great ones this is a weak class so I am not sorry we missed the guy the ravens got. Glad they have him. We still have some needs and if there is a decent lineman offensive or defensive that we can keep instead of Thomas, A potential back up quarter back that can throw the ball, A good running back, full back or safety we need to look at them. I would just like to see the team grab players at this point that might make the team.
 
Omar10213245 said:
We'll be fine. Maxx Williams is not the end-all be-all of TE's
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Heartily agree. When I want a TE to replace Miller, it certainly won't be a "Maxx Williams". If you're going to play a TE he'd better be as good an option as the WRs you have, and be able to block. Williams is neither.
 
ZACKB said:
Golson was such a bad pick that I will not watch the draft anymore. They didn't have the balls to give up a pick to move up for Maxx. I would have at least taken PJ Williams in rd 2. Just plain ******* sad.
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exactly why i stopped watching last year. do something. ANYTHING. don't just sit by and deal with what comes to you
 
I would have still taken OWA and if it came down to it looked at the corners that were cut downs instead of reaching, an alternative would have been Byron Jones instead of Dupree and Owa with the second and still take Coates or take Golson in the third if there.

I still like the Dupree pick a lot and hope the other two work out but at this point I see one that will likely be a real good player and two maybes. That is not how I wanted things to go but you can't draft what is not there.
 
My NFL comparison to Golson is Jamar Fletcher former badger CB. He was almost identical in size, speed, and college stats. He had a nice NFL career as a nickel or dime back but never a starter. I guess if he becomes a core special teamer and a nickel back he will at least contribute but in my mock along draft I went a different direction.
 
My big issue is twofold

1. Golson could have been had in rd 3. Most draft people also agree
2. We got one upped by Ozzie in rd 2, when we clearly wanted Maxx Williams. Ed Bouchette said the Steelers were pissed that Balt jumped over them. Baltimore clearly had a need at TE, but the stupid Steelers FO wouldn't just trade up a few spots to make sure we secure our guy. Sometimes you cant just sit there and hope. This FO has no ******* guts or assertiveness at all.

If we got Golson in rd 3, after getting Maxx in rd 2, I would possibly be ok with the pick. It was wayyyy too early to take the kid. Golson was even surprised. You don't take a nickel corner in rd 2, that's just nuts. Def not watching the draft anymore after this crappy years draft.
 
ZACKB said:
My big issue is twofold

1. Golson could have been had in rd 3. Most draft people also agree
2. We got one upped by Ozzie in rd 2, when we clearly wanted Maxx Williams. Ed Bouchette said the Steelers were pissed that Balt jumped over them. Baltimore clearly had a need at TE, but the stupid Steelers FO wouldn't just trade up a few spots to make sure we secure our guy. Sometimes you cant just sit there and hope. This FO has no ******* guts or assertiveness at all.

If we got Golson in rd 3, after getting Maxx in rd 2, I would possibly be ok with the pick. It was wayyyy too early to take the kid. Golson was even surprised. You don't take a nickel corner in rd 2, that's just nuts. Def not watching the draft anymore after this crappy years draft.
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You don't know that Golson would have dropped to their pick in the third. Kabila reported the Steelers DID try to trade up.
 
I'm glad we didn't take Maxx Williams in the 2nd rd.

I still think Golson was a reach, if it were impossible to trade down then Rollins could've been taken and then Golson on the 3rd. CBs back to back would've been sweet
 
Litos said:
I'm glad we didn't take Maxx Williams in the 2nd rd.

I still think Golson was a reach, if it were impossible to trade down then Rollins could've been taken and then Golson on the 3rd. CBs back to back would've been sweet
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can still double up grab one in round 4 or 5


I remember a Steeler CB drafted in round 5 he turned out to be a pretty damn good cover corner...
 
slashsteel said:
can still double up grab one in round 4 or 5


I remember a Steeler CB drafted in round 5 he turned out to be a pretty damn good cover corner...
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which CBs are left that could help the team? I think Safety in 4th round should be the way to go, there's still value there
 
Litos said:
which CBs are left that could help the team? I think Safety in 4th round should be the way to go, there's still value there
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any left from the list?

Pre Draft Prospect Meetings 2015

Cornerback

Alex Carter – Stanford @ Visit
Bryce Callahan – Rice @ Visit
Charles Gaines – Louisville @ Combine, Pro Day & Dinner with Tomlin
Darryl Roberts – Marshall @ Visit
Doran Grant – Ohio State @ Visit
Eric Rowe CB/S – Utah @ Combine, Pro Day, Visit
Jalen Collins – LSU @ Combine, Pro Day & Diner with Tomlin
Kevin Johnson – Wake Forest @ Combine, Pro Day & Diner with Colbert, Visit*
Kevin White – TCU @ Combine
Marcus Peters – Washington @ Combine, Pro Day, Visit
PJ Williams – Florida State @ Pro Day
Quandre Diggs – Texas @ Combine
Quinten Rollins – Miami @ Combine, Pro Day
Ron Darby – Florida State @ Pro Day
Steven Nelson – Oregon State @ Visit
Senquez Golson – Ole Miss @ Senior Bowl, Visit
Trae Waynes – Michigan State @ Pro Day
Travis Lee – Miles College @ Visit*
 
so far they visited with every player drafted

Pre Draft Prospect Meetings 2015

Cornerback

Alex Carter – Stanford @ Visit
Bryce Callahan – Rice @ Visit
Charles Gaines – Louisville @ Combine, Pro Day & Dinner with Tomlin
Darryl Roberts – Marshall @ Visit
Doran Grant – Ohio State @ Visit
Eric Rowe CB/S – Utah @ Combine, Pro Day, Visit
Jalen Collins – LSU @ Combine, Pro Day & Diner with Tomlin
Kevin Johnson – Wake Forest @ Combine, Pro Day & Diner with Colbert, Visit*
Kevin White – TCU @ Combine
Marcus Peters – Washington @ Combine, Pro Day, Visit
PJ Williams – Florida State @ Pro Day
Quandre Diggs – Texas @ Combine
Quinten Rollins – Miami @ Combine, Pro Day
Ron Darby – Florida State @ Pro Day
Steven Nelson – Oregon State @ Visit
Senquez Golson – Ole Miss @ Senior Bowl, Visit
Trae Waynes – Michigan State @ Pro Day
Travis Lee – Miles College @ Visit*

Linebacker

Alvin ‘Bud’ Dupree – Kentucky @ Combine, Pro Day & Dinner with Tomlin
Danielle Hunter – LSU @ Pro Day & Diner with Tomlin
Davis Tull – Tennessee-Chattanooga @ Combine
Eli Harold – Virginia @ Combine Pro Day, Visit
Hau’oli Kikaha – Washington @ Combine, Pro Day
Kyle Emmanuel – North Dakota State @ Visit
Lorenzo Maudlin – Louisville @ Combine, Pro Day & Dinner with Tomlin
Marcus Golden – Mizzou @ Pro Day & Dinner with Tomlin
Max Valles – Virginia @ Visit
Nate Orchard – Utah @ Visit
Owamagbe Odighizuwa – UCLA @ Combine, Pro Day
Randy Gregory – Nebraska @ Pro Day, Visit
Shane Ray – Mizzou @ Combine, Pro Day & Dinner with Tomlin, Visit*
Tavarus Dantzier – Bethune-Cookman @ Visit*
Trey Flowers – Arkansas @ Combine
Vic Beasley – Clemson @ Pro Day

Tight End

Alen Derby – Arkansas @ Combine
Blake Bell – Oklahoma @ Combine
Ben Koyack – Notre Dame @ Combine
Cameron Clear – Texas A&M @ Visit
Clive Walford – Miami @ Combine, Pro Day & Private Meeting
CJ Uzomah – Auburn @ Visit
Jeff Heuerman – Ohio State @ Combine, Visit
Jesse James – Penn State @ Combine, Pro Day, Visit**
Kennard Backman – UAB @ Visit
Maxx Williams – Minnesota @ Combine
Nick O’Leary – FSU @ Combine
Wes Saxton – South Alabama @ Visit

Offensive Line

Ali Marpet C – Hobart & William Smith @ Pro Day Private Workout
Donovan Smith OG – Penn State @ Senior Bowl
Ereck Flowers OT – Miami @ Combine
La’El Collins OG/T – LSU @ Combine
Laken Tomlinson OG – Duke @ Pro Day
Matt Rotherham OG – Pittsburgh @ Visit**
Max Garcia C/G/T – Florida @ Pro Day & Dinner with Tomlin
Quentin Spain OG – WVU @ Visit
Sean Hickey OG/T – Syracuse @ Combine
T.J Clemmings OT – Pittsburgh @ Pro Day, Visit**

Safety

Cody Prewitt – Mississippi @ Combine
Durell Eskridge – Syracuse @ Pro Day
Gerod Holliman – Louisville @ Pro Day & Diner with Tomlin
Jermaine Whitehead S – Auburn @ Pro Day
Justin Cox FS – Mississippi State @ Pro Day
Nick Marshall FS/QB/CB – Auburn @ Pro Day

Running Back

David Cobb – Minnesota @ Combine
David Johnson – Northern Iowa @ Combine
Duke Johnson – Miami @ Combine
Jeremy Langford – Michigan State @ Combine
Matt Jones – Florida @ Pro Day & Dinner with Colbert & Tomlin, Visit*
Tevin Coleman – Indiana @ Combine
T.J Yeldon – Alabama @ Combine

Wide Receiver

Breshad Perriman – UCF @ Visit
DeVante Parker – Louisville @ Pro Day & Dinner with Tomlin, Private Workout, Visit*
Devin Gardner – Michigan @ Visit
Jaelen Strong – Arizona State @ Visit
Sammy Coates – Auburn @ Pro Day, Visit
Tre McBride – Willam & Mary @ Combine

Defensive Line

Gabe Wright DT – Auburn @ Pro Day
Grady Jarrett NT – Clemson @ Combine
Michael Bennett DT – Ohio State @ Combine
Preston Smith DE – Mississippi State @ Pro Day
Xavier Cooper DT – Washington State @ Visit

Quarterbacks

Chris Bonner – CSU-Pueblo @ Pro Day
Garrett Grayson – Colorado State @ Pro Day
Tyler Murphy – Boston College @ Visit
 
slashsteel said:
any left from the list?

Pre Draft Prospect Meetings 2015

Cornerback

Alex Carter – Stanford @ Visit
Bryce Callahan – Rice @ Visit
Charles Gaines – Louisville @ Combine, Pro Day & Dinner with Tomlin
Darryl Roberts – Marshall @ Visit
Doran Grant – Ohio State @ Visit
Eric Rowe CB/S – Utah @ Combine, Pro Day, Visit
Jalen Collins – LSU @ Combine, Pro Day & Diner with Tomlin
Kevin Johnson – Wake Forest @ Combine, Pro Day & Diner with Colbert, Visit*
Kevin White – TCU @ Combine
Marcus Peters – Washington @ Combine, Pro Day, Visit
PJ Williams – Florida State @ Pro Day
Quandre Diggs – Texas @ Combine
Quinten Rollins – Miami @ Combine, Pro Day
Ron Darby – Florida State @ Pro Day
Steven Nelson – Oregon State @ Visit
Senquez Golson – Ole Miss @ Senior Bowl, Visit
Trae Waynes – Michigan State @ Pro Day
Travis Lee – Miles College @ Visit*
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just checked out best available from those on the list: Gaines, Grant, Diggs, White, Roberts.
Other important guys still available: Shaw, Olomu
 
Litos said:
just checked out best available from those on the list: Gaines, Grant, Diggs, White, Roberts.
Other important guys still available: Shaw, Olomu
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oh yeah Roberts and Gaines I wouldn't mind either.
 
ZACKB said:
My big issue is twofold

1. Golson could have been had in rd 3. Most draft people also agree
2. We got one upped by Ozzie in rd 2, when we clearly wanted Maxx Williams. Ed Bouchette said the Steelers were pissed that Balt jumped over them. Baltimore clearly had a need at TE, but the stupid Steelers FO wouldn't just trade up a few spots to make sure we secure our guy. Sometimes you cant just sit there and hope. This FO has no ******* guts or assertiveness at all.

If we got Golson in rd 3, after getting Maxx in rd 2, I would possibly be ok with the pick. It was wayyyy too early to take the kid. Golson was even surprised. You don't take a nickel corner in rd 2, that's just nuts. Def not watching the draft anymore after this crappy years draft.
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If you traded to move up in the second, chances are that you don't have a third.
In today's NFL, a nickel CB IS a STARTER. The percentage of time spent in nickel/dime vs that spent in base has definitely tilted towards nickel/dime.
 
What do you guys think about taking a chance on a guy like Ifo-Ekpre Olomu? Now, I know he's like 5'9 so I'm sure this place might blow the hell up, but by all accounts had be declared for the draft last year, many seemed to consider him a top-20 pick. I know he has a knee and he fact that no one has heard anything from his camp is probably discouraging. Would anyone here have an interest in him? Kevin white is another guy that intrigues me. I read a lot that said he compares well to the other TCU corner and his former teammate that the chargers got last year.
 
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