when you are up by 15 (and it should have been 16) and it is 3rd and 18 you don't have to try to pick up a 1st down. Now not throwing that ball away early is on Ben. All Day. But when you call a play where you are actually trying to pick up the first down on 3rd and 18 you are asking for trouble. A prudent play would have been a 6 or 7 yard pass (which is virtually given in that situation) and a 3 yard run and now it is 4th and 8 from the 25 and you punt. and the Steelers still have a QB at full capacity and likely a star receiver.
Not blaming the coaching staff, but hopefully this is a learning thing
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Who says he didn't have a shorter option and Ben being Ben decided to look for the big play? Players get hurt, it has nothing to do with coaches. Unless it's pre season or an end of season meaningless game with seeding wrapped up you play to win all out every down.
All the time you see teams run draws and screens on third and long on their sides of the field. Certain plays have high low reads trying to push the ball down the field. Certain plays just try to get 5 yards. That was defiantly trying to push the ball vertically. Were there short options. I'm sure there were. But they probably should have just called a basic crossing route or something that might get 10 yards max.
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Well, I do blame the coaching staff for not having a serviceable backup QB. Cincy has McCarron, Denver has Osweiler. We have Landry Jones who has had maybe one good game in three years. Vick was a disaster and I have a hard time believing he was the best that was available when Gradkowski went down in preseason.
maybe Gilbert should have blocked a little better?
I agree Superman, Gilbert blocking better would've helped, but I'm not blaming anyone, that should've been a draw, up 15-0 deep in our own end, 3rd and long, just run, kill more clock and punt. To many ****** things come into play throwing the ball there, especially when the crowd was totally out of it.
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This x1000. Gilbert has had a solid year, but his effort on that play was weak. That piece of **** burfict didn't do anything special to get by him and Gilbert just leaned into him.
I totally blame the coaching staff... if we had only been the louses some of the media portrayed us as this week, we could have signed a ringer to target Burfict the first game and ended his season before he took all of our guys out... too bad we had class and respect for the game not to do that... that is 100% on the coaches
I just love hindsight coaching..
It isn't hindsight, most coaches wouldn't have tried to attack in that situation. The defense was playing great, put them on a 60 or 70 yard field. There is a time to be aggressive and attack and there is a time to manage. He coughs the ball up there (which by rights he should have) and you are giving them seven when you have TOTAL control. Same with going for two. There is a time to be aggressive and there is a time to be smart. Made no sense.
It is very difficult to block when the QB starts to move because the defender sees the direction, but you can't. that is why most holds occur on broken type plays. Back doesn't go where he is supposed to. The end of the play was on Ben, He needs to take a few steps and wing it out of bounds. The play call was on the coaches.
Hey, we win the two ravens games and that game is at Hienz Field and Burfict never makes it out alive... ifs, buts, you never can teall what one small thing will lead to down the line
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We also have Gradk but he got hurt in camp...its not the fault of any one....just horrible luck with injuries
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Hoodie would've tried for a kill shot.......can't blame any one....it's a physical game....
I agree here. There were plenty of times I seen Heath open ahort and Ben going deep. Some plays made others not. Like I said, live by the long ball die by it. Also, like some of said too, this could be somewhat of a blessing with his limitations. Ben won't always be looking for the splash play but rather the play that's open. Take it, don't get hit, move the chains.
I think all of us yell at the tv these last few weeks when it's been third and long. "Watch he's going deep". Lol.
I started this week with, this games on Haley. We have more than enough weapons. It's in how we utilize them, and what effort they put forth that will determine this game. Certainly our def must come to play. But I already know that's going to happen.
Maybe hoodie goes for the two. He is aggressive for points. No way he puts Brady in that situation. Picks up field position and punts. Watch him Saturday and see if he exposes Brady against a good pass rush. Won't happen.
Brady got his *** handed to him last game.
Actually it was his ankle... Suh bit it off and handed it right to him... that makes me wonder... How didn't the Bengals make a play for Suh? oh that's right... he has a big contract and the Bengals are cheapskates
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I can't believe people are still questioning going for two in that situation. At that point in the game, the pluses to having a 17 point lead, far outweigh the minuses to having a 15 point lead, instead of a 16 point lead. It's basically a 50/50 play, so the odds of making it really don't play a role here. The pluses of having a 17 point lead are obvious, especially in a game where the conditions were making it difficult to mount long drives. Now, what are the drawbacks of having a 15 point lead, vs a 16 point lead? There's really only one drawback, The Bengals could tie us with 2 touchdowns, one xp, and one 2 point conversion, vs having to make two 2 point conversions if we have a 16 point lead. That's it. They're not going to take the lead with 2 touchdowns, because no coach is going to try for 2, trailing by a point in a playoff game. Some are looking at the fact that we trailed by one late in the game, and thinking that the extra point would have meant a tie game. Wrong. Had we had 16 points, the Bengals would have kicked the xp to take the lead, instead of going for 2. Going for 2 was without question the correct call there.
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I mean you're definitely right and ultimately I was more pissed off at Ben than anyone. But seeing it soooooo many times this week I guess I just felt Gilbert should've been able to handle that *****.
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You're not very good at maths are you? You say 3rd and 18 pick up 6 or 7 yards with a pass play, then run for 3 yds and you have 4th and 8 and you punt.
Only problem with that scenario is after your 7 yd pass it is 4th and 11. You run for 3 yards and you turn it over on downs.
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There was over a quarter left to play, pick up a first down and finish the drive with another score, even if it's a FG, and they're up three scores with less than a quarter to play. THEN you start playing close to the vest.
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I think he meant YAC.
Don't think you are really looking. You catch a 6 or 7 yard pass and then run a few more yards you end up 4th and say 8 from the 30 and you punt.