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NFL’s Proposed National Anthem Rules: Penalties for Kneeling Being Considered

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slashsteel said:
good I desire to watch football.

If I want a political platform to participate in, I will go somewhere for it outside of football..
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The NFL lost ratings because of this political crap. No more. Focus on the game. After a player is out of the stadium, he can protest on his own off time.
 
While I think it is ignorant to kneel during the national anthem, I also think it is ignorant to burn flags and equally ignorant all of the **** people scream during the national anthem at any number of sporting events. The thing about all of those is that they are protected as free speech. As such, I don't really have a problem with it. The more people fight against it, the more attention it garners, because all of it is deemed controversial. Hell, it isn't holding up the game, so who cares.
 
You can believe what and how you want but that right shouldn't affect my right to an event that I payed for. I payed for a football game and NOT a protest then a football game. Outside of work, do what you will.
I've been very specific to my employees that their actions reflect upon my business. Their beliefs are NOT necessarily my beliefs but when on company time I am PAYING you for a service directly related to me
and my business. Your political views are NOT related to me or my business. I have ZERO issues with employees and protest(s) on the job, for what it's worth.

If the NFL had a backbone they would realize that their "brand" is not a political forum.


Salute the nation
 
Drink IRON City said:
You can believe what and how you want but that right shouldn't affect my right to an event that I payed for. I payed for a football game and NOT a protest then a football game. Outside of work, do what you will.
I've been very specific to my employees that their actions reflect upon my business. Their beliefs are NOT necessarily my beliefs but when on company time I am PAYING you for a service directly related to me
and my business. Your political views are NOT related to me or my business. I have ZERO issues with employees and protest(s) on the job, for what it's worth.

If the NFL had a backbone they would realize that their "brand" is not a political forum.


Salute the nation
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Call me simple, but I see it as nothing more than a symbolic gesture that accomplishes nothing. I think it's dumb. I stopped giving my money to the NFL a looooong time ago, so I really don't give a **** if they kneel or not.
 
Sarge said:
While I think it is ignorant to kneel during the national anthem, I also think it is ignorant to burn flags and equally ignorant all of the **** people scream during the national anthem at any number of sporting events. The thing about all of those is that they are protected as free speech. As such, I don't really have a problem with it. The more people fight against it, the more attention it garners, because all of it is deemed controversial. Hell, it isn't holding up the game, so who cares.
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There's a big difference though...those people burning flags aren't shoving it down your throat..

An NFL player could announce that he's holding a rally to protest "police brutality" and no one would show up...so what better way to shove it down our throats than in front of thousands of fans..
 
Coach said:
Art Rooney thinks standing with a raised fist constitutes disrespect of the*anthem.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ed-fist-constitutes-disrespect-of-the-anthem/
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Because any alteration is a protest. And a protest would be during my time, and your time. And every other fans time, that wants to focus on just football. At the moment we prepare for football that is all that is desired football. Gets me away from work, and life's issues. Just chilling watching players trying to achieve goals thru the team I love to watch.

I hope all the racial issues get solved ultimately. But I am not sure people have the right mindset to accomplish that. A lot of closet racism in this country. From all colors. The cool thing is while watching the sport I love I don't have to think about the ****** up issues within the country. I can just chill.

And I like that.
 
This is the NFL's own fault that it got this far. They allowed this to happen so the players then took it as a RIGHT to protest on the field. So now the players feel as if something was TAKEN from them and the NFL owes them something.

Look at how easily the NBA nipped this in the bud. But Goodell always wants to be the "cool" dad who lets the kids drink beer in his finished basement.
 
Well, the only thing that this rule accomplishes is that instead of the talking heads telling us who is kneeling or knelt during the Anthem, they'll spend an equal amount of time telling us who stayed in the locker room as a sign of protest. So, what's really been gained? The fact that you don't have to "see" the protest? Hell, I can count on half a hand the times that the networks actually "showed" the players kneeling.
 
slashsteel said:
Because any alteration is a protest. And a protest would be during my time, and your time. And every other fans time, that wants to focus on just football. At the moment we prepare for football that is all that is desired football. Gets me away from work, and life's issues. Just chilling watching players trying to achieve goals thru the team I love to watch.

I hope all the racial issues get solved ultimately. But I am not sure people have the right mindset to accomplish that. A lot of closet racism in this country. From all colors. The cool thing is while watching the sport I love I don't have to think about the ****** up issues within the country. I can just chill.

And I like that.
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MUST SPREAD REPUTATION AROUND............................worth more than just a rep point or two..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Salute the nation
 
slashsteel said:
Because any alteration is a protest. And a protest would be during my time, and your time. And every other fans time, that wants to focus on just football. At the moment we prepare for football that is all that is desired football. Gets me away from work, and life's issues. Just chilling watching players trying to achieve goals thru the team I love to watch.

I hope all the racial issues get solved ultimately. But I am not sure people have the right mindset to accomplish that. A lot of closet racism in this country. From all colors. The cool thing is while watching the sport I love I don't have to think about the ****** up issues within the country. I can just chill.

And I like that.
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And even football puts the color barrier away even if it's just 3 hours.
Last year has shown, that we as society still have a long way to go to get along. The protest really divided people.

But sport has always brought fans together and provides healthy competition in a civil manner.
 
MTC said:
And even football puts the color barrier away even if it's just 3 hours.
Last year has shown, that we as society still have a long way to go to get along. The protest really divided people.

But sport has always brought fans together and provides healthy competition in a civil manner.
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I disagree. The protest was not the catalyst of division. It was a symptom. By that, I mean the division was already there. The protest just brought it out in the open. The thing that bothered me most about the kneeling wasn't the perceived disrespect. Because, as hard as it is to admit, whether or not kneeling was disrespecting the flag or myself as a veteran is a matter of personal perspective. Some see it one way, others another.
Anyway, what bothered me about the protest/kneeling was that there was never an announced "end goal". I mean, what was the objective and the occurrence of what event(s) would signal the end of the protesting? In that regard, without a verifiable "goal", the protesting was .... ineffectual.

In regards to football, none of it stopped me from watching or enjoying a game because it never interfered with the game being played. It wasn't like at an appointed time, all the protesters stopped playing and took a knee in the middle of the field. Thus disrupting the flow of the game and my enjoyment of it.
 
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Stupid divisive protests started by some ******** wearing pig socks and a t-shirts of some murdering commie asshat che guevara. Brilliant yeah follow that guy! The stupid leading the blind. Can we just play football? That's what we tune in for.

Most of us would get fired if we pulled stunts at work that cost our employers clients and lots of money.

Just play football. If you want to kneel take a trip to Normandy, France. Great place to kneel.
 
Steelr4evr said:
Stupid divisive protests started by some ******** wearing pig socks and a t-shirts of some murdering commie asshat che guevara. Brilliant yeah follow that guy! The stupid leading the blind. Can we just play football? That's what we tune in for.

Most of us would get fired if we pulled stunts at work that cost our employers clients and lots of money.

Just play football. If you want to kneel take a trip to Normandy, France. Great place to kneel.
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So, you believe that the ratings and revenue will increase after this new rule change?
Interesting.
 
SteelBuckeye said:
So, you believe that the ratings and revenue will increase after this new rule change?
Interesting.
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Hard to tell. I think they were flourishing regardless. But you can tell by the outcome they were sweating it.

So maybe nothing increases as a effect, but more important in the owners eyes it won't decrease.
 
slashsteel said:
Hard to tell. I think they were flourishing regardless. But you can tell by the outcome they were sweating it.

So maybe nothing increases as a effect, but more important in the owners eyes it won't decrease.
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Ratings will continue to plummet as soon as they start ejecting players for hitting people too hard with this targeting rule. I think the over policing of the league with regards to trying to legislate every ounce of violence out the sport was a bigger reason for ****** ratings that anthem protest. I don't see that getting any better.
 
I agree. But i also think that it wasn't just the anthem. But the whole BLM thing. That's what this anthem protest was started from. Correct me if im wrong. Not only do people not like the perceived disrespect of the flag and country, but also the movement which was very much against law enforcement and its officers.

BUT absolutely, ratins are also faltering due to micromanaging league office.
 
Some of my black friends on FB are losing their **** over this.

Sarge said:
While I think it is ignorant to kneel during the national anthem, I also think it is ignorant to burn flags and equally ignorant all of the **** people scream during the national anthem at any number of sporting events. The thing about all of those is that they are protected as free speech. As such, I don't really have a problem with it. The more people fight against it, the more attention it garners, because all of it is deemed controversial. Hell, it isn't holding up the game, so who cares.
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I've been saying for a long time that if you don't like it here you are free to go elsewhere. We don't shoot people who try to leave like Cuba and North Korea do.
 
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Black & Gold Bleeder said:
I agree. But i also think that it wasn't just the anthem. But the whole BLM thing. That's what this anthem protest was started from. Correct me if im wrong. Not only do people not like the perceived disrespect of the flag and country, but also the movement which was very much against law enforcement and its officers.

BUT absolutely, ratins are also faltering due to micromanaging league office.
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Tough and too bad then. Because the NFL isn't stopping the BLM movement. Which is not AGAINST law enforcement and it's officers so much as it is FOR the right of black folks not to be shot/killed for petty reasons. However, this being the FOOTBALL side of the board, maybe the distinction between the two concepts is better discussed on the other side.
 
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