NFL vs. NBA who's got the hops?

[Coach]

I took a look at the NBA combine to see how the NFL combine compares in similar drills.


Based on results, the NBA can't jump like the NFL can. See Standing Vertical or no step Vertical.


http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-perf..._JUMP&position=QB-RB-WR-TE-S-DL-LB-CB-OL-SPEC NFL LINK


http://stats.nba.com/draftcombine/#!/agility/ NBA link


Heck our linebackers at 240+ pounds for the most part out jump most in the NBA.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers#year=2015&workout=VERTICAL_JUMP&position=LB-SPEC

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

This isnt really surprising. NFL players are probably the most explosive athletes in all of sports.

However, as much as I love football, its not nearly as much of a 'skill' sport than basketball, etc.

In football, you can take someone's measurable's (40, bench, vert) and know 50%-75% of what that player will bring to the table. Not the same in basketball, baseball, hockey, soccer.

 

[Coach]

Athletically speaking the NFL has better athletes in terms of strength, leaping ability, and agility drills.

I think the main difference is a football team requires a more diverse set of skills to make the team function.

 

[Wingman]

This isnt really surprising. NFL players are probably the most explosive athletes in all of sports.

However, as much as I love football, its not nearly as much of a 'skill' sport than basketball, etc.

In football, you can take someone's measurable's (40, bench, vert) and know 50%-75% of what that player will bring to the table. Not the same in basketball, baseball, hockey, soccer.

Under the idea of skill sports motorcycle racing would be higher as would golf and maybe table tennis so I suspect it might not be a good comparison.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Under the idea of skill sports motorcycle racing would be higher as would golf and maybe table tennis so I suspect it might not be a good comparison.

Cheating, with out getting caught...... PURE skill exemplified by an NFL team.....



Salute the nation

 

[Omar10213245]

Cheating, with out getting caught...... PURE skill exemplified by an NFL team.....



Salute the nation

Seriously? Are we turning this into another patriot thread??

 

[Steelerfan]

I got the hops once from bad sushi.

 

[insaniti]

You get the difference in verticals because football players are used to playing with gear on, it's why a lot of basketball players will add weighted vests during their offseason workouts. You also have taller players in the NBA with the goal at 10 feet tall, someone 7ft tall doesn't need to jump all that high. Where as, speaking strictly from a skill position, QB's ideal height is 6'4", most WR hover around the 6' mark and if you're considered a "big" WR you're around the 6'4"-6'5" mark.

LeBron James is 6'8", Kevin Durant is 6'10", Michael Jordan was 6'6". You don't see players of that size and build in the NFL very often. You talk about our LBers weighing 240, but they are 6'-6'2", that's a point guard in the NBA. It's a pretty dumb comparison IMO.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Seriously? Are we turning this into another patriot thread??

No, sorry about that, BUT, we could go "Home Brewing" on yaz. We've got the BEST Hops !!!!!!!!



Salute the nation

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Under the idea of skill sports motorcycle racing would be higher as would golf and maybe table tennis so I suspect it might not be a good comparison.

Actually, hitting a golf ball or a baseball (correctly) is probably the most difficult skills to learn in sports. However, they also require the least amount of athleticism- which is why they are fun sports to play but awful to watch.

I agree with Insaniti though- very different body types. DB's and WR's are probably the most athletic individuals in all of sports:

Height: 6' - 6'2
40: 4.30
Vert: 40+

Athletic NBA player:
Height: 6'7 - 6'8
40: 4.50
Vert: 30-35

When you are standing more than a half foot taller than your counterpart- you really don't need to jump all that high.

 

[Coach]

You get the difference in verticals because football players are used to playing with gear on, it's why a lot of basketball players will add weighted vests during their offseason workouts. You also have taller players in the NBA with the goal at 10 feet tall, someone 7ft tall doesn't need to jump all that high. Where as, speaking strictly from a skill position, QB's ideal height is 6'4", most WR hover around the 6' mark and if you're considered a "big" WR you're around the 6'4"-6'5" mark.

LeBron James is 6'8", Kevin Durant is 6'10", Michael Jordan was 6'6". You don't see players of that size and build in the NFL very often. You talk about our LBers weighing 240, but they are 6'-6'2", that's a point guard in the NBA. It's a pretty dumb comparison IMO.

The NBA listed heights are often a joke. Jordan is closer to 6'5" tall. Shaq who was listed at 7 feet tall admitted he was only 6'10". At their combine they measure them in shoes. LOL.

Football players usually weigh more, so its harder for them to jump. Yet they easily out jump the NBA, and jumping in basketball is more common than football.

The NBA also has a bench test, but its not 225 pounds, its 185 pounds, and the results are below any positional player the NFL has in general in terms of reps, despite the NFL lifting a more more weight.

If there was an dash / speed test, the NFL wins by a mile.

Point of the thread. The NBA bills itself as the world greatest athletes. Its not true.

 

[insaniti]

The NBA listed heights are often a joke. Jordan is closer to 6'5" tall. Shaq who was listed at 7 feet tall admitted he was only 6'10". At their combine they measure them in shoes. LOL.

Football players usually weigh more, so its harder for them to jump. Yet they easily out jump the NBA, and jumping in basketball is more common than football.

The NBA also has a bench test, but its not 225 pounds, its 185 pounds, and the results are below any positional player the NFL has in general in terms of reps, despite the NFL lifting a more more weight.

If there was an dash / speed test, the NFL wins by a mile.

Point of the thread. The NBA bills itself as the world greatest athletes. Its not true.

NFL listed heights and weights are just as accurate as the NBA's. Oh my, they measure them in shoes? Why would they do that? Maybe because they play the sport IN SHOES. It's about as dumb as measuring NFL 40 times in shorts...

The bench press is a horrible choice for a strength measuring exercise anyway, and strength has very little to do with athleticism. NBA players are also conditioned a lot differently. Trying to compare the athleticism of one sport to the next based on internet averages that you might have found drifting in the middle of nowhere is about as dumb as you thinking Troy Polamalu's head was too big.

Again, compare similar sized players to each other is a better comparison, but saying Antonio Brown's 40 time and vertical is better than Kevin Durants is just plain dumb. Durant is a foot taller, and plays a completely different sport. There are plenty of basketball players with 40+ verticals, not a lot of them are in the NBA because not a lot of under 6 ft players are in the NBA. How many 7ft players are in the NFL? It's a dumb comparison, and you're grasping at straws with your excuses for the stats.

Jordan was closer to 6'5"? Did this come from your magic eyes where you can tell the difference between a 4.45 40 and a 4.41 40? Shaq admitted to being 6'10" really? Where's the article, and even if he did, how many NFL players are 6'10"?

I played two sports in High School, football always carried into basketball season, and the people who didn't play basketball were way ahead of me in terms of being ready for the basketball season by the time football wrapped up. I was still in football shape, they were already in basketball shape. It's a different game, with different types of training, different types of stamina.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

NFL listed heights and weights are just as accurate as the NBA's. Oh my, they measure them in shoes? Why would they do that? Maybe because they play the sport IN SHOES. It's about as dumb as measuring NFL 40 times in shorts...

The bench press is a horrible choice for a strength measuring exercise anyway, and strength has very little to do with athleticism. NBA players are also conditioned a lot differently. Trying to compare the athleticism of one sport to the next based on internet averages that you might have found drifting in the middle of nowhere is about as dumb as you thinking Troy Polamalu's head was too big.

Again, compare similar sized players to each other is a better comparison, but saying Antonio Brown's 40 time and vertical is better than Kevin Durants is just plain dumb. Durant is a foot taller, and plays a completely different sport. There are plenty of basketball players with 40+ verticals, not a lot of them are in the NBA because not a lot of under 6 ft players are in the NBA. How many 7ft players are in the NFL? It's a dumb comparison, and you're grasping at straws with your excuses for the stats.

Jordan was closer to 6'5"? Did this come from your magic eyes where you can tell the difference between a 4.45 40 and a 4.41 40? Shaq admitted to being 6'10" really? Where's the article, and even if he did, how many NFL players are 6'10"?

I played two sports in High School, football always carried into basketball season, and the people who didn't play basketball were way ahead of me in terms of being ready for the basketball season by the time football wrapped up. I was still in football shape, they were already in basketball shape. It's a different game, with different types of training, different types of stamina.

This.

All of us who've played both can tell the difference. I was tall, but played football because it was fun and it helped me be a little more explosive.

But come bball season, I would be gassed halfway through a scrimmage- even though I was in great shape. Two different sports that require very different conditioning.

 

[Coach]

NFL listed heights and weights are just as accurate as the NBA's. Oh my, they measure them in shoes? Why would they do that? Maybe because they play the sport IN SHOES. It's about as dumb as measuring NFL 40 times in shorts...

The bench press is a horrible choice for a strength measuring exercise anyway, and strength has very little to do with athleticism. NBA players are also conditioned a lot differently. Trying to compare the athleticism of one sport to the next based on internet averages that you might have found drifting in the middle of nowhere is about as dumb as you thinking Troy Polamalu's head was too big.

Again, compare similar sized players to each other is a better comparison, but saying Antonio Brown's 40 time and vertical is better than Kevin Durants is just plain dumb. Durant is a foot taller, and plays a completely different sport. There are plenty of basketball players with 40+ verticals, not a lot of them are in the NBA because not a lot of under 6 ft players are in the NBA. How many 7ft players are in the NFL? It's a dumb comparison, and you're grasping at straws with your excuses for the stats.

Jordan was closer to 6'5"? Did this come from your magic eyes where you can tell the difference between a 4.45 40 and a 4.41 40? Shaq admitted to being 6'10" really? Where's the article, and even if he did, how many NFL players are 6'10"?

I played two sports in High School, football always carried into basketball season, and the people who didn't play basketball were way ahead of me in terms of being ready for the basketball season by the time football wrapped up. I was still in football shape, they were already in basketball shape. It's a different game, with different types of training, different types of stamina.

I'm not talking about how the game is different. DUH.

I say more like know football players on average run faster, are stronger and jump higher! If your acumen says different, Im willing to wager a lot of cash on it. Now comes the part where you decline my offer and drop like a fly in a freezer.

 

[Coach]

insaniti says NFL listed heights and weights are just as accurate as the NBA's.

I think the NBA exaggerates a bit more on height.

The bench press is a horrible choice for a strength measuring exercise anyway, and strength has very little to do with athleticism.

Its a good measurement for strength and stamina. What one would you say is better?

Jordan was closer to 6'5"? Did this come from your magic eyes

Is hoops nation a good enough link for you.

http://hoops-nation.com/community/topic/61233-some-of-nba-playerss-real-height-and-weight/

1992 USA Dream Team Measurement

Michael Jordan- 6 ft 4

Magic Johnson - 6 ft 7

Larry Bird- 6'9

John Stockton - 5 ft 10

Clyde Drexler- 6 ft 5

Chris Mullin- 6 ft 5

David Robinson- 6 ft 11

Hakeem Olajuwon- 6 ft 10

Patrick Ewing - 6 ft 9

Charles Barkley- 6 ft 4 5/8

Scottie Pippen- 6 ft 6 ½

Some other Information

Jordan's height claims: 6-4 1/2

David Robinson’s another height claims: 7-0

David Robinson’s rookie Weight: 226 lbs

Prime/Listed Weight: 235 lbs

Later years weight: 255-265 lbs

Hakeem’s another height claims: 6-11

Ewing’s another height claims: 6-10

 

[GRBman]

I have formed the opinion that NBA players are better atletes than NFL players...but by watching them at court/field level. Yes, I saw the 40 times and verticals...but those don't tell the whole story. Antonio Gates tells the story, Jimmie Graham tells the story. These guys were marginal players (at best) at mid-level programs and are STARS in the NFL (well, Gates was a star). You wouldn't have that kind of crossover from football to the NBA. The only one that comes to mind is Charlie Ward, Heisman Trophy winning QB for a National Champion...midling player for the Knicks for a few years...

I never played basketball, played football for 11 years...what those guys do on the court is nothing short of astounding.

 

[Wingman]

Actually, hitting a golf ball or a baseball (correctly) is probably the most difficult skills to learn in sports. However, they also require the least amount of athleticism- which is why they are fun sports to play but awful to watch.

I agree with Insaniti though- very different body types. DB's and WR's are probably the most athletic individuals in all of sports:

Height: 6' - 6'2
40: 4.30
Vert: 40+

Athletic NBA player:
Height: 6'7 - 6'8
40: 4.50
Vert: 30-35

When you are standing more than a half foot taller than your counterpart- you really don't need to jump all that high.

One of the sports drink companies, if my memory is correct, did a comparison years ago among various sports. They used world class athletes from all major sports and some of the motor sports as well. They tested the athletes on treadmills and other athletic devices and used the criteria that would be used in a stress test along with other things. The surprising thing to me was the conditioning level of motocross racers and other off road motor cycle events. I can't remember now if it was the endurance guys or the motocross racers that were in the very top of the athletes. Other top athletes were triathlon competitors and some other sports one would not normally think of like swimming and soccer, at least not sports I normally think about.

 

[insaniti]

I think the NBA exaggerates a bit more on height.




Its a good measurement for strength and stamina. What one would you say is better?




Is hoops nation a good enough link for you.

http://hoops-nation.com/community/topic/61233-some-of-nba-playerss-real-height-and-weight/
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One link, no. Considering I'll find more links posting different heights. Heights at which don't matter to the argument. Jordan would be considered a HUGE WR in the NFL. And yes HOW the sports are DIFFERENT DOES matter. It's how you train for those sports. You think these players couldn't achieve better vertical numbers by changing their training? Football players are "stronger" because their sport demands that they be that way. Basketball requires more stamina because there isn't a 40 second clock in between each play.

A better measurement of strength and endurance? Dead lifts, incorporates more muscles, is a complex movement, and shows true strength and endurance. They involve your arms, shoulders, back, glutes, quads, grip strength, balance etc. A bench press measures your chest, triceps, and back. If you involve your shoulders, you're doing it wrong, if you involve your legs, you're definitely doing it wrong. I'll take an exercise that taxes the whole body as a comparison for strength for a sport that requires full body strength.

 

[Coach]

One link, no. Considering I'll find more links posting different heights. Heights at which don't matter to the argument. Jordan would be considered a HUGE WR in the NFL. And yes HOW the sports are DIFFERENT DOES matter. It's how you train for those sports. You think these players couldn't achieve better vertical numbers by changing their training? Football players are "stronger" because their sport demands that they be that way. Basketball requires more stamina because there isn't a 40 second clock in between each play.

A better measurement of strength and endurance? Dead lifts, incorporates more muscles, is a complex movement, and shows true strength and endurance. They involve your arms, shoulders, back, glutes, quads, grip strength, balance etc. A bench press measures your chest, triceps, and back. If you involve your shoulders, you're doing it wrong, if you involve your legs, you're definitely doing it wrong. I'll take an exercise that taxes the whole body as a comparison for strength for a sport that requires full body strength.

NFL listed heights and weights are just as accurate as the NBA's

I still think this claim of yours is untrue. The NBA lies about height more often. Mike Jordan a wide receiver? That would depend on his speed and durability. And how he handles pads and a helmet.

I played both. If you are in shape, Basketball is easier. Its indoors ( No heat, cold, wind or rain ) and the surface is made for running. Grass or turf slows you down. The wear and tear is far less during a game as well.

I think you are mixing apples with oranges on my initial statement. Football players are bigger, faster, stronger, quicker, and jump higher.

 

[insaniti]

The only one mixing apples to oranges is you, your initial statement IS comparing apples to oranges. If you played both, as you claim, then you would TRULY understand you can't compare the two. One is constant running up and down the floor. It requires a much different conditioning, much different training regimen, etc. You train for the sport you're playing. Making a blanket statement that football players are bigger, faster, stronger, etc is dumb.

Kevin Durant couldn't play NFL football in his current form , but Joe Thomas couldn't play NBA basketball either.

Grass or turf will only slow you down if you aren't wearing the proper equipment, if you were trying to run in grass with basketball shoes, sure it'll slow you down. Put some football spikes on, and it's not slowing you down. The wear and tear is not far less, it's different. Your knees and ankles take a pounding playing basketball, you are jumping a lot more, in constant motion, planting, pivoting, running, etc. Football there is more contact, so your body takes more abuse, but it's from the violence of the game.