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Mark Kaboly of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review:

Just like with Cortez Allen last year, the Steelers may have no choice but to bring back Worilds on a long-term deal even if they have to overpay a bit. It's their best option. Worilds wasn't used properly last season as he was asked to drop into coverage more and rush from different angles, resulting in a pedestrian 7.5 sacks. New defensive coordinator Keith Butler could utilize Worilds better than Dick LeBeau.
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So Dick was using Worilds all wrong, having him drop into coverage too often and moving him around to rush from angles he wasn't good at. Get ready to see Butler makes several adjustments that Dick have been making. Reading the tea leaves it's becoming evident that Dick was stuck in his ways at the detriment of the defense's success. That is what happens when you stay with a DC who is pushing 80-years old. My bet is we are going to see improvement on D with Dick now gone, and all the "guru, genius" talk no longer be needed. Butler is going to find some gems and coach them up. The "old way" of leaning on the same aging vets is over. I hear that when they told Dick it was time to move on from players like Ike and Troy, that he threw a fit. We kept Dick around 3 years too long, but that is the Steeler way: slow to make any changes to a fault.
 
Time will tell, but the talent level is still 'below the line' at many defensive positions. It was certainly time for a change, but how much of a change Butler will turn out to be remains to be seen. I'm not expecting some dramatic turn around next season.
 
Stoney said:
Time will tell, but the talent level is still 'below the line' at many defensive positions. It was certainly time for a change, but how much of a change Butler will turn out to be remains to be seen. I'm not expecting some dramatic turn around next season.
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Call it a hunch, but I think an approach of someone not catering to "how much a genius" he is will make a difference. Butler will seek talent under every rock turned, and he will turn all of them. Dick was stuck into hearing about how much a guru he was. Look at Dallas: Coming off a record-level bad defense, they lost their best talent but IMPROVED dramatically. How? They got rid of their super old guy who was out of touch. We will see the same thing here. Dick was misusing the talent he had, making it seem like we had less talent than we did. He was stuck to still allowing Troy total freedom to free lance, except now, all his guesses came up wrong. Ending that dog and pony show will make us a better D from the start. Watch and see.
 
Tell you what. When Worilds posts 14 sacks next year we'll talk.

Till then... Suuuure.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see a jump in the defensive performance. I just don't see a one year turnaround. I mean Butler WAS on staff last year, right? If he was that amazing you'd think he could have incorporated some of his acumen in the linebacking position coaching that he managed.

The linebacking corps wasn't too spectacular. In fact Butler himself mismanaged the very player you're talking about. Right? Right?
 
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The blame can come Dick's way but we did not have the players needed on defense. Dick may have leaned on Troy because he could count on him for knowing the defense, we have no name power on defense , even bringing back guys we thought was time to let go says a lot on how much lacking talent we have had on this side of the ball. Other teams go out and try to fill the spots lacking, we have not.
 
POP said:
So Dick was using Worilds all wrong, having him drop into coverage too often and moving him around to rush from angles he wasn't good at.
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That's what I've been saying all along. If we had j.j watts Lebeau would find a way to drop him into coverage. Lebeau uses lb's as to cover the short field and that's why the cb's play so back. Also, everyone always complain about the linebackers that we have well that's the type of players Lebeau needs for his scheme. Fast LBs who can cover. That's why they only had James Harrison rushing and everyone else in coverage.
 
I dont have a problem bringing Worldis back, if its a reasonable contract. Im hearing 5-6 million a year and i dont think he is worth that much. Maybe 5 mil a year if its cap friendly and structured so we can get out of it easily if it dont work out.
 
I say bull ****. No way do I overpay for the piece of crap. If Worilds is a one trick pony that can't meet all of the demands of his position, then he isn't worth the money anyway. Don't let the door hit him in the *** on the way out.
 
wig said:
Tell you what. When Worilds posts 14 sacks next year we'll talk.

Till then... Suuuure.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see a jump in the defensive performance. I just don't see a one year turnaround. I mean Butler WAS on staff last year, right? If he was that amazing you'd think he could have incorporated some of his acumen in the linebacking position coaching that he managed.

The linebacking corps wasn't too spectacular. In fact Butler himself mismanaged the very player you're talking about. Right? Right?
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Come on man. Go into work tomorrow and tell your boss he's ******* up the whole operation by the way he's using his resources. Tell him you're going to do your job your way and he better get on board with the change. That's the position Butler was in.
I'm not saying I think there will be a dramatic turnaround (it would be nice), but the scenario you present, with Butler having the authority to tell Lebeau how to run his defense and how he would teach and deploy the LBs is just unrealistic.
 
Steelz said:
That's what I've been saying all along. If we had j.j watts Lebeau would find a way to drop him into coverage. Lebeau uses lb's as to cover the short field and that's why the cb's play so back. Also, everyone always complain about the linebackers that we have well that's the type of players Lebeau needs for his scheme. Fast LBs who can cover. That's why they only had James Harrison rushing and everyone else in coverage.
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Well, that and the fact that Harrison was 36 years old and asking him to drop into coverage too often would have been asking for him to get burned consistently.
 
wig said:
Tell you what. When Worilds posts 14 sacks next year we'll talk.

Till then... Suuuure.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see a jump in the defensive performance. I just don't see a one year turnaround. I mean Butler WAS on staff last year, right? If he was that amazing you'd think he could have incorporated some of his acumen in the linebacking position coaching that he managed.

The linebacking corps wasn't too spectacular. In fact Butler himself mismanaged the very player you're talking about. Right? Right?
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Not right at all. Dick called the shots on who did what on D. I did question our LB play was last season under Butler, but if DL was calling he plays that dictated how the LB were used, what was Butler able to do about it? If DL had Worilds in coverage too much, nothing Butler could do about it. Now that Butler has full reign, let's see how they do. I still maintain that someone pushing 80 shouldn't have a DC job, no matter how good he was over his career. Butler has already came out and said, to some degree, you have to play the D that best suits your players. I believe DL really failed to do that as someone his age would tend to do, i.e. not be flexible and adapt. Butler will do far better on that front.
 
I value Worilds at no more than 3.5 mil per year. In other words, he can get lost
 
The only way to guarantee him back is to franchise tag him. I've been telling everyone since last year it's coming....

Max Starks 2.0
 
SteelBuckeye said:
Come on man. Go into work tomorrow and tell your boss he's ******* up the whole operation by the way he's using his resources. Tell him you're going to do your job your way and he better get on board with the change. That's the position Butler was in.
I'm not saying I think there will be a dramatic turnaround (it would be nice), but the scenario you present, with Butler having the authority to tell Lebeau how to run his defense and how he would teach and deploy the LBs is just unrealistic.
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/\ /\ /\ this. They don't have to improve dramatically. Considering the O will come back intact, and we were able to post an 11-5 record as was, if the D improves to top 10, instead of 15, it could make enough of a difference to contend. With the #3 offense, and #1 passing offense, we don't need a #1 D to compete.
 
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/\ /\ /\ this. They don't have to improve dramatically. Considering the O will come back intact, and we were able to post an 11-5 record as was, if the D improves to top 10, instead of 15, it could make enough of a difference to contend. With the #3 offense, and #1 passing offense, we don't need a #1 D to compete.
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They played the easiest schedule in the league this year. They get a 1st place schedule next year which means trips out west to Seattle, KC, and SD. They also get NE on the road as well. So unlike this year they won't get the Glennon, Bortles, Vick, and Mettenburger's of the world. So they better find a better defense than they had this year on they won't sniff the playoffs.
 
I'm optimistic that Coach Butler has some new schemes that "we haven't seen" - and that, if Worilds is brought back, he'll drum up more pressure - BECAUSE NO ONE WILL HAVE SEEN THIS NEW STUFF...

I will be amazed if we see the cross blitz TWICE next season.
 
I'll take seeing it over hearing it.
 
Funny how the young always seems to blame the old because of .... age. Just because. Has to make sense if I keep repeating it right?
 
TDX27 said:
I say bull ****. No way do I overpay for the piece of crap. If Worilds is a one trick pony that can't meet all of the demands of his position, then he isn't worth the money anyway. Don't let the door hit him in the *** on the way out.
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Seconded. We're facing a rebuilding year or two anyway, so if he won't take a bargain price, good reddens.
 
POP said:
So Dick was using Worilds all wrong, having him drop into coverage too often and moving him around to rush from angles he wasn't good at. Get ready to see Butler makes several adjustments that Dick have been making. Reading the tea leaves it's becoming evident that Dick was stuck in his ways at the detriment of the defense's success. That is what happens when you stay with a DC who is pushing 80-years old. My bet is we are going to see improvement on D with Dick now gone, and all the "guru, genius" talk no longer be needed. Butler is going to find some gems and coach them up. The "old way" of leaning on the same aging vets is over. I hear that when they told Dick it was time to move on from players like Ike and Troy, that he threw a fit. We kept Dick around 3 years too long, but that is the Steeler way: slow to make any changes to a fault.
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in how many threads do you have to bash the guy? I hope butler has an incredible year, I hope our defense is incredible next year. But if he does well it will mainly be because of the guy you continuously bash.
 
I'm so sick of hearing this bullshit excuse for Worilds, every LOLB we've ever had dropped into coverage, it's part of the position, you don't get to just line up and rush the passer, what happens if they run the ball, well Worilds over pursues or he can't set the edge, I'm sure that's Lebeaus fault too? I've see him get stonewalled so many times rushing the passer. Watch the games, he rushed the passer alot more than dropping into coverage.
 
coryea said:
I'm so sick of hearing this bullshit excuse for Worilds, every LOLB we've ever had dropped into coverage, it's part of the position, you don't get to just line up and rush the passer, what happens if they run the ball, well Worilds over pursues or he can't set the edge, I'm sure that's Lebeaus fault too? I've see him get stonewalled so many times rushing the passer. Watch the games, he rushed the passer alot more than dropping into coverage.
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You're exactly right Tom. It also happens in every single defense in the NFL. Hell Ngata picked off Ben this year by dropping into coverage. Even the DL will drop into zone coverage at times. Worilds sucked this year. He couldn't win one on one matchups and was a liability in the run game.
 
black and gold apex said:
The blame can come Dick's way but we did not have the players needed on defense. Dick may have leaned on Troy because he could count on him for knowing the defense, we have no name power on defense , even bringing back guys we thought was time to let go says a lot on how much lacking talent we have had on this side of the ball. Other teams go out and try to fill the spots lacking, we have not.
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So when DL has the talent he is a genius..when he doesn't he is still a genius, but without talent. Gotcha
 
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