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Mike Tomlin’s stats prove he’s up there with the best of them

TDX27 said:
Problem is, he won't let his D coordinator actually run the D. He had a great D coordinator in LeBeau and left him be. Since LeBeau left, Tomlin has gotten more and more involved. Butler never actually installed his own D. Tomlin needs to get out of Butler's way so we can see if he can do the job. If not, a new D coordinator needs to be brought in and let run the show. Either way, Tomlin needs to be the head coach and NOT the D coordinator. Over the past few seasons, he has proven completely inept at running the D.
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I dunno, LeBeau's D was getting beat like a rented mule his last two seasons, either because players were aging out or other teams were figuring out how to beat him.

Drink IRON City said:
EXACTLY and got the lead, then turtled balled it to a victory. That's why they said BEN was just a game manager............................. The big picture was he was so efficient at passing he wasn't required to do much after 20 passes or so. All this was back when a "W" was enough.
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Except as was argued back the day, Turtle Ball, aka Marty Ball, won games in the regular season but not so much in the playoffs, whether it was Coach Chin or Marty Hisownself. Facing the top teams every week in the playoffs you've got to keep your foot on the throttle.
 
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Ron Burgundy said:
I dunno, LeBeau's D was getting beat like a rented mule his last two seasons, either because players were aging out or other teams were figuring out how to beat him.



Except as was argued back the day, Turtle Ball, aka Marty Ball, won games in the regular season but not so much in the playoffs, whether it was Coach Chin or Marty Hisownself. Facing the top teams every week in the playoffs you've got to keep your foot on the throttle.
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I thin k a little of both were happening Burgundy and that's why when D.L. left I wanted "out of organization" DC so as to combat the latter of your said problem.



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Steelworth said:
Couldn't agree with this more. He needs to really feel the pressure for once already.

And Slash, some postseason numbers of generally well-regarded HCs:

Sean Payton 8-6 .571 W %
Andy Reid 12-14 .462 W %
Mike McCarthy 10-8 .556 W %
Mike Tomlin 8-7 .533 W %
Pete Carroll 10-8 .556 W %
The Hoody 31-11 .738 W %:distress:
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Cowher's winning percentage was .633 with a 12-9 record. He got to a few more games than Shades but like I said, Marty Ball tends not to win playoff games plus he was 2-4 in AFCCG's, not good but in a couple of those he was beat by the Cheating Bastiges From New England, so his record is a little skewed. Of course Cowher at least GOT TO 6 AFCCG's, but hey, Shades has never had a losing season.
 
D.L. defense peaked in 2008. We just didn't know it then. 2010 super bowl defense was a shell off itself compared to 2008 super bowl defense.
 
BLITZ said:
D.L. defense peaked in 2008. We just didn't know it then. 2010 super bowl defense was a shell off itself compared to 2008 super bowl defense.
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To be fair, the '08 defense is one of the best ever. Nobody will ever agree to it, but statistically and with the teams they faced, they are definitely top 5 all-time.
 
Zack_of_Steel said:
To be fair, the '08 defense is one of the best ever. Nobody will ever agree to it, but statistically and with the teams they faced, they are definitely top 5 all-time.
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agreed. and then went down hill. I think Dicks issue was not being able to change his defense based on who he had playing. when Troy stopped being super Troy and was just good Troy, his defense didn't work.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
I dunno, LeBeau's D was getting beat like a rented mule his last two seasons, either because players were aging out or other teams were figuring out how to beat him.

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Somewhat but I can't say we've had a better D in any of the years since he left. Nothing has improved. And, everyone knows Tomlin is running the D, not Butler. Tomlin needs to step away from the D no matter if it is Butler as the coordinator or someone else after this season.

The BS with using 2 DL is a Tomlin thing and it hasn't worked. Run on 3rd and long and you can get the 1st down as easy, if not easier than if you passed the ball. That is just insane. Plus, we get no pressure with only 2 DL.
 
Lets see how he fares when Ben is gone , everyone is already concerned this year with Bell and Brown gone. The end of this year does not make Tomlin look very good in handling players and we all have experienced seeing the look on his face when the game is going South and he has no answer. That record has some questions behind it.
 
He's great at losing to ****** teams, great at terrible game plans, great at not adjusting in games and might be the best at worst challenges in the league. That cover it all?

Player relations also another issue
 
ExUSAF said:
The fact that Art II didn't think last year was dysfunctional and Tomlin has lasted this long already tells me the problem is upstairs.
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For me all of the nonsense is on the new Rooney's and how they just sit back and collect money for ticket sales. All that embarrassing garbage going on and nothing? I'm sorry, but if I own the team all that **** would have been dealt with before it ever became public. If it's being reported, it's been going on for a while before they hear about it. The way they deal with Tomlin, and the malcontent type players creates the environment they have right now. AB was a chance to draw a line in the sand and they caved. It's not changing just because a couple guys are gone. This off season is the most important one since they drafted Ben. If they **** it up the 80's Steelers won't be far behind for us.
 
The 80's Steelers = Tomlins' Steelers
 
Coaching has been a problem for quite some time and who is the head coach???????? QUESTION answered







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I think if Tomlin has amazing Coordinators and positional coaches he is capable of leading a team well. When they had Lebeau at his high point it really helped a lot. He was a football genius. Just watching Football life: Chuck Noll. Noll knew football from a teaching point. Move your foot one foot to the right and one foot back. I believe Cowher knew that on defense and was a hell of a motivational and detail oriented coach. I just simply do not believe Tomlin has that type of football chops or knowledge to do that. And I see nothing in his resume that could possibly make me believe he possibly could. Tomlin's answer to problems on a unit is to find better players and find better coaches. I can with almost certainty tell you that their offensive line is going to move backwards. They lost the one real teacher of the game they had.
 
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SteelerSask said:
I think if Tomlin has amazing Coordinators and positional coaches he is capable of leading a team well. When they had Lebeau at his high point it really helped a lot. He was a football genius. Just watching Football life: Chuck Noll. Noll knew football from a teaching point. Move your foot one foot to the right and one foot back. I believe Cowher knew that on defense and was a hell of a motivational and detail oriented coach. I just simply do not believe Tomlin has that type of football chops or knowledge to do that. And I see nothing in his resume that could possibly make me believe he possibly could. Tomlin's answer to problems on a unit is to find better players and find better coaches. I can with almost certainty tell you that their offensive line is going to move backwards. They lost the one real teacher of the game they had.
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Now that Shades has all his own players (except for Ben) he is who we thought he was, which is 13-3 winning some close games with a little luck and a good kicker and 9-6-1 without some luck and without a good kicker. Shades' natural state is between 10-6 and 8-8 and most of the time that's as good as it's going to be.
 
SteelerSask said:
I think if Tomlin has amazing Coordinators and positional coaches he is capable of leading a team well. When they had Lebeau at his high point it really helped a lot. He was a football genius. Just watching Football life: Chuck Noll. Noll knew football from a teaching point. Move your foot one foot to the right and one foot back. I believe Cowher knew that on defense and was a hell of a motivational and detail oriented coach. I just simply do not believe Tomlin has that type of football chops or knowledge to do that. And I see nothing in his resume that could possibly make me believe he possibly could. Tomlin's answer to problems on a unit is to find better players and find better coaches. I can with almost certainty tell you that their offensive line is going to move backwards. They lost the one real teacher of the game they had.
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Tomlin is just competent enough with which to win a championship if EVERYTHING is in place around him. He's essentially George Seifert or Barry Switzer.

He brings nothing to the table from a leadership or technical standpoint that regularly distinguishes him or gives the Steelers an advantage. The Steelers made some Superbowls under Tomlin with Roethlisberger and Cowher/Lebeau's defenses, but once the latter faded and some key veteran leaders like Ward and Farrior left, Tomlin's shortcomings were exposed.

The Patriots win largely because of Brady, but the way Belichick leads and prepares his teams complements the franchise QB and has allowed the Patriots to maximize their success in the Brady era.

The Steelers strictly go as far as Roethlisberger can take them.
 
Punxsutawney said:
Tomlin is just competent enough with which to win a championship if EVERYTHING is in place around him. He's essentially George Seifert or Barry Switzer.

He brings nothing to the table from a leadership or technical standpoint that regularly distinguishes him or gives the Steelers an advantage. The Steelers made some Superbowls under Tomlin with Roethlisberger and Cowher/Lebeau's defenses, but once the latter faded and some key veteran leaders like Ward and Farrior left, Tomlin's shortcomings were exposed.

The Patriots win largely because of ernie Adams and their IT department, but the way Belichick leads and prepares his teams complements the franchise QB and has allowed the Patriots to maximize their success in the Brady era.

The Steelers strictly go as far as Roethlisberger can take them.
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Just "fact checking"




CMVLT has been in the league long enough to have himself surrounded with his choices. It's proving out to be his choices are NOT TOP COORDINATORS. So the top coordinators therory is out as he doesn't' seem to have that capability to do so. He is what he is and the talent is at a stage where it can't sustain the sub par coaching.





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Any up and coming coach would likely steer clear of being part of the Tomlin regime. There are better places to make a name for yourself and get noticed.
 
Punxsutawney said:
Tomlin is just competent enough with which to win a championship if EVERYTHING is in place around him. He's essentially George Seifert or Barry Switzer.

He brings nothing to the table from a leadership or technical standpoint that regularly distinguishes him or gives the Steelers an advantage. The Steelers made some Superbowls under Tomlin with Roethlisberger and Cowher/Lebeau's defenses, but once the latter faded and some key veteran leaders like Ward and Farrior left, Tomlin's shortcomings were exposed.

The Patriots win largely because of Brady, but the way Belichick leads and prepares his teams complements the franchise QB and has allowed the Patriots to maximize their success in the Brady era.

The Steelers strictly go as far as Roethlisberger can take them.
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When you look at a Belichick coached team you often see this. They have a group that looks very underwhelming. Last year they had a ton of turnover on the offensive line. They didn't look like they could block which would be clearly death to Brady. After the first 4 weeks they looked wildcard at best. Presto chango. Fixed to at least good. Tomlin lovers ask yourself this: When has that ever happened on a Tomlin coached team.
 
Drink IRON City said:
Just "fact checking"




CMVLT has been in the league long enough to have himself surrounded with his choices. It's proving out to be his choices are NOT TOP COORDINATORS. So the top coordinators therory is out as he doesn't' seem to have that capability to do so. He is what he is and the talent is at a stage where it can't sustain the sub par coaching.
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