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Mike Tomlin’s stats prove he’s up there with the best of them

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After a disappointing 2018 season for the Steelers, it’s understandable that there is some anger from fans. Going 9-6-1 was very disappointing, but it is important to remember that, with two or three plays going the Steelers way, this season could have gone very different. After seasons like this, where everything seems to go wrong, […]

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Again I ask, name me what quality he has or one thing he does extremely well? The winning record is attributed to a franchise QB and over the years many,many top tier players that Cool Shades has not taken advantage of and has continued to be out coached. Playoff record the last 8 years please?
 
What is his playoff percentage compare to other coaches? That I would be interested in.....
 
Defense (his defense) giving up 5 4th qtr leads, his continued attempt to cover Keenan Allen with an ILB, not putting Ben in the Oakland game until it was to late, his ridiculous challenges, losing to bad teams every year, and allowing AB to become bigger than the team.
He's not horrible, but he does not deserve his extension this summer.

Also a couple plays away from being under .500, that goes both ways.
 
Coryea said:
Defense (his defense) giving up 5 4th qtr leads, his continued attempt to cover Keenan Allen with an ILB, not putting Ben in the Oakland game until it was to late, his ridiculous challenges, losing to bad teams every year, and allowing AB to become bigger than the team.
He's not horrible, but he does not deserve his extension this summer.

Also a couple plays away from being under .500, that goes both ways.
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Couldn't agree with this more. He needs to really feel the pressure for once already.

And Slash, some postseason numbers of generally well-regarded HCs:

Sean Payton 8-6 .571 W %
Andy Reid 12-14 .462 W %
Mike McCarthy 10-8 .556 W %
Mike Tomlin 8-7 .533 W %
Pete Carroll 10-8 .556 W %
The Hoody 31-11 .738 W %:distress:
 
In SALES you are only as good as your last deal....

In coaching you are only as good as your last season....

He didn't have a good season & his off-season has been even worse....

Better turn it around BUBBA
 
Steelworth said:
Couldn't agree with this more. He needs to really feel the pressure for once already.

And Slash, some postseason numbers of generally well-regarded HCs:

Sean Payton 8-6 .571 W %
Andy Reid 12-14 .462 W %
Mike McCarthy 10-8 .556 W %
Mike Tomlin 8-7 .533 W %
Pete Carroll 10-8 .556 W %
The Hoody 31-11 .738 W %:distress:
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And McCarthy with similar record to Tomlin's got canned at the end of last season. Just saying!
 
Coryea said:
Defense (his defense) giving up 5 4th qtr leads, his continued attempt to cover Keenan Allen with an ILB, not putting Ben in the Oakland game until it was to late, his ridiculous challenges, losing to bad teams every year, and allowing AB to become bigger than the team.
He's not horrible, but he does not deserve his extension this summer.

Also a couple plays away from being under .500, that goes both ways.
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Couldn't agree more. If Art II extends him this summer then the problem is much larger than just Tomlin. He has got to send the message to Tomlin that this is a prove it season and let him coach for his job and that this isn't just an automatic renewal every couple seasons.
 
steelhurt said:
Couldn't agree more. If Art II extends him this summer then the problem is much larger than just Tomlin. He has got to send the message to Tomlin that this is a prove it season and let him coach for his job and that this isn't just an automatic renewal every couple seasons.
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THIS!
THIS times a TRILLION!
 
Problem is, he won't let his D coordinator actually run the D. He had a great D coordinator in LeBeau and left him be. Since LeBeau left, Tomlin has gotten more and more involved. Butler never actually installed his own D. Tomlin needs to get out of Butler's way so we can see if he can do the job. If not, a new D coordinator needs to be brought in and let run the show. Either way, Tomlin needs to be the head coach and NOT the D coordinator. Over the past few seasons, he has proven completely inept at running the D.
 
steelhurt said:
Again I ask, name me what quality he has or one thing he does extremely well? The winning record is attributed to a franchise QB and over the years many,many top tier players that Cool Shades has not taken advantage of and has continued to be out coached. Playoff record the last 8 years please?
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I totally agree with you! He is out coach every time we have lost! He has NO TIME MANAGEMENT SKILLS, waits till 15 seconds run off the clock, then calls time out, lets clock run when a timeout would get an extra play or two in. Gets ahead in a game, then NEVER puts them away, starts playing conservatively, instead of driving!! Rooney’s let wrong people go!!!! AB would still be there if Dumlin put him in his place in first time he acted up, instead of letting it continue!!!! His maybe a coach, but not in STEEL COUNTRY!!!!!!!


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Post season heroics is crucial to a lasting legacy....Milwaukee Bucks fan here....

FACT...In the 1980's the Bucks had the 3rd best "regular season" winning percentage in the NBA....

The only 3 team with chips are the only 3 teams history remembers....Magic's Lakers, Birds Celtics, & Dr. J's 76ers....

NO ONE REMEMBERS THOSE GREAT BUCKS TEAMS....Because they didn't win it all

Tomlin needs another chip.....real quick
 
To quote Twain there are 3 kinds of lies. Lies,damn lies, ans statistics.

Tomlin should be gone if we dont make a deep playoff run , hopefully win number 7
 
I'm not going to write this piece off because of the age of the writer--I never liked that when I first came around back in 2007 and I was 15. That being said, I also remember being a starry-eyed youngster and not wanting to hear/see the shortcomings of the team or its leadership. This defense of Tomlin is rampant on reddit where the average age is probably 20--if you say a bad word about Tomlin you are lambasted with these stats that are completely skewed by the fact that he's had a HoF QB his entire career. He also walked in to a team with a HoF DC and all-time great defense with a few HoFers on it and plenty of pro-bowlers.

Look at Bill Belichik's record without a QB and after taking over a 3-13 team: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/cle/index.htm
That's really not much worse than what we've achieved with Ben and one of the most loaded teams in the league the last five years. The Patriots are never more talented than us, but they own the league. Honestly, I don't think many teams any year have more talent on the field than we do--what do we have to show for it?

SteveA said:
Post season heroics is crucial to a lasting legacy....Milwaukee Bucks fan here....

FACT...In the 1980's the Bucks had the 3rd best "regular season" winning percentage in the NBA....

The only 3 team with chips are the only 3 teams history remembers....Magic's Lakers, Birds Celtics, & Dr. J's 76ers....

NO ONE REMEMBERS THOSE GREAT BUCKS TEAMS....Because they didn't win it all

Tomlin needs another chip.....real quick
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Yeah, just imagine if they had actually gotten Dr. J and formed a big 3 with Kareem and The Big O back in the 70's, too...
 
bermudasteel said:
Funny. Ben would be handing the ball off more than throwing it in your scenario...LOL
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But he'd be destroying the league with often-used play-action and his YPA would shoot up (he already has one of the highest in the league every season).

Also, it's hard to say if Bill, with a real QB, wouldn't have opened it up a bit as Ben matured.
 
Zack_of_Steel said:
But he'd be destroying the league with often-used play-action and his YPA would shoot up (he already has one of the highest in the league every season).

Also, it's hard to say if Bill, with a real QB, wouldn't have opened it up a bit as Ben matured.
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Cowher gets a bad rap for not passing the ball. I'm not going to post the stats but if you look at the playoffs Cowher went to the air early and often even with horrible Qbs like Kordell. Even in Ben's 2nd year his playoff run was filled with passing early in the games.
 
steelhurt said:
And McCarthy with similar record to Tomlin's got canned at the end of last season. Just saying!
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And McCarthy made it to one more conference title game
than Tomlin since the Steelers/Packers Superbowl.

McCarthy was the only NFL head coach who came close to Tomlin in terms of doing less with more since 2011.

The Packers were smart enough to stop wasting the rest of their star QB's career, while the Steelers love to keep banging their heads against the wall, apparently.

What does Tomlin exactly bring to the table?

The comparison to Sean Payton is curious, as Payton actually runs the Saints offense, which is always among the league's best.

Tomlin attempts to run the defense, and how has that been going? The defensive performances in the Steelers last two playoff games were beyond terrible.

The secondary play, in particular, has been bad for how many years now? That's interesting considering Tomlin established himself in the league as a DB coach.

Also, where's this great leadership we keep hearing about? Is it buried beneath all the flopping against inferior teams and overall underachievement? I'd really like to ******* know.

Im just tired of the excuses.



The guy is just a smooth-talking fraud.
 
Vader said:
Cowher gets a bad rap for not passing the ball. I'm not going to post the stats but if you look at the playoffs Cowher went to the air early and often even with horrible Qbs like Kordell. Even in Ben's 2nd year his playoff run was filled with passing early in the games.
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Oh, definitely. I guess I mostly assumed he was referring to Ben's early days as a "game manager" when he threw the ball way less. But you are right about the playoffs, Ben tore everyone apart en route to XL.
 
Zack_of_Steel said:
Oh, definitely. I guess I mostly assumed he was referring to Ben's early days as a "game manager" when he threw the ball way less. But you are right about the playoffs, Ben tore everyone apart en route to XL.
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ben with cower threw the ball a ton first half of games got big leads and sat on them second half of games. look up the stats they back that up. in bens second year i believe he was the highest rated first half qb
 
Xc944 said:
ben with cower threw the ball a ton first half of games got big leads and sat on them second half of games. look up the stats they back that up. in bens second year i believe he was the highest rated first half qb
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Look, I agree with you guys. I was referencing the early perception of him as a "game manager" simply because he didn't have a lot of attempts.
 
bermudasteel said:
Funny. Ben would be handing the ball off more than throwing it in your scenario...LOL
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It's been argued a 1000 + times, Cowher would have done more than shades has done. And cowher was coaching a "RUN" heavy era but used BEN and used him very efficiently.




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Vader said:
Cowher gets a bad rap for not passing the ball. I'm not going to post the stats but if you look at the playoffs Cowher went to the air early and often even with horrible Qbs like Kordell. Even in Ben's 2nd year his playoff run was filled with passing early in the games.
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EXACTLY and got the lead, then turtled balled it to a victory. That's why they said BEN was just a game manager............................. The big picture was he was so efficient at passing he wasn't required to do much after 20 passes or so. All this was back when a "W" was enough.




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