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Losing to KC with GP back

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I can almost stomach this loss because had we won with Pickens back, his head would have gotten even bigger than it is now. I am starting to see why we are in many conversations for top WR FAs. If we are truly going to be one and done again, I would like to see Pickins be second. I think he has another year under contract, but I can't watch another season with his antics.
 
Gerry Dulac confirmed Nate Burleson’s speculation that the interception was Picken’s fault because he stopped his route failing to draw the safety over. He was as much as a liability as he was an asset against the Chiefs.
 
Troglodyte said:
Gerry Dulac confirmed Nate Burleson’s speculation that the interception was Picken’s fault because he stopped his route failing to draw the safety over. He was as much as a liability as he was an asset against the Chiefs.
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You needed Gerry Dulac, Nate Burleson or Curt Warner to confirm that? It's a divide concept. Problem was it was divide by one.
 
I'm sick of listening to these local guys talking about how great Pickens is, how he's the most important player on this team, blah, blah, blah. it'll be a huge mistake if they give that guy 30 million per or whatever WR's are getting.
3 of the last 4 starts with Pickens in the line up, we've scored 10(quit on a route that resulted in a pick), 18(no tds), 19 points(didn't even try on the last play in the endzone, was to busy being a tough guy).
 
Gerry Dulac confirmed Nate Burleson’s speculation that the interception was Picken’s fault because he stopped his route failing to draw the safety over. He was as much as a liability as he was an asset against the Chiefs.
SteelerSask2 said:
You needed Gerry Dulac, Nate Burleson or Curt Warner to confirm that? It's a divide concept. Problem was it was divide by one.
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A lotta people blaming Russ here.
 
Troglodyte said:
Gerry Dulac confirmed Nate Burleson’s speculation that the interception was Picken’s fault because he stopped his route failing to draw the safety over. He was as much as a liability as he was an asset against the Chiefs.

A lotta people blaming Russ here.
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It was still a bad throw, if he puts that in the back of the endzone, only Muth can get it. I can't believe no one is crushing Russ for blaming Pickens, I thought that was a no-no for QB's? Also look at the play, Pickens is on the sideline, only 3 yards past the LOS, the safety and muth are 20+ yards downfield, Russ still should've seen the safety when he looked at Muth.
 
Coryea said:
It was still a bad throw, if he puts that in the back of the endzone, only Muth can get it. I can't believe no one is crushing Russ for blaming Pickens, I thought that was a no-no for QB's? Also look at the play, Pickens is on the sideline, only 3 yards past the LOS, the safety and muth are 20+ yards downfield, Russ still should've seen the safety when he looked at Muth.
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Russ has been crushed plenty. He’s a pretty small guy. Anymore crushing it’s maple syrup time.
 
Coryea said:
It was still a bad throw, if he puts that in the back of the endzone, only Muth can get it. I can't believe no one is crushing Russ for blaming Pickens, I thought that was a no-no for QB's? Also look at the play, Pickens is on the sideline, only 3 yards past the LOS, the safety and muth are 20+ yards downfield, Russ still should've seen the safety when he looked at Muth.
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Not sure he is tall enough to see that. It is his biggest(or should I say shortest) limiting factor. It is why he avoids the middle so much. He can’t see to make those throws. Not ripping on him for it he has been successful in the past with it but it is what it is.
 
Troglodyte said:
Gerry Dulac confirmed Nate Burleson’s speculation that the interception was Picken’s fault because he stopped his route failing to draw the safety over. He was as much as a liability as he was an asset against the Chiefs.
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The reason we traded Claypool was the same thing... his poor route running was causing picks and incompletions ...

Play design in the nfl is intricate ... a guy running a ten yard crossing pattern will shift safety and ilbs to potentially open up other stuff... a deep route on one side can pull or hold a safety opening a different route up...

Thats Why DJ will keep getting chances... his precision routes open up other things ...

Guys like Pickens and Claypool have to learn the high profile catches arent the only thing they are there for... every play they need to do their jobs
 
Troglodyte said:
Gerry Dulac confirmed Nate Burleson’s speculation that the interception was Picken’s fault because he stopped his route failing to draw the safety over. He was as much as a liability as he was an asset against the Chiefs.
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GP has done this all year and in years past. If he isn't the main target or if the play is a run, chances are, he will take the play off. He will jog his route or just stop running altogether. This is a HUGE issue especially if he wants to get paid. The Steelers will either not sign him this offseason and let him test the FA waters after next season or sign him to the top 3 money he is going to want and then see if they can unload him for at least one 1st round pick. I'm just not convinced that they will keep him for the long haul. It's obvious he has not outgrown the shenanigans he was known for when he was in college.
 
Troglodyte said:
Gerry Dulac confirmed Nate Burleson’s speculation that the interception was Picken’s fault because he stopped his route failing to draw the safety over. He was as much as a liability as he was an asset against the Chiefs.

A lotta people blaming Russ here.
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Because either 1. They didn't see the all 22 or 2. They don't know very much about football.
 
Coryea said:
It was still a bad throw, if he puts that in the back of the endzone, only Muth can get it. I can't believe no one is crushing Russ for blaming Pickens, I thought that was a no-no for QB's? Also look at the play, Pickens is on the sideline, only 3 yards past the LOS, the safety and muth are 20+ yards downfield, Russ still should've seen the safety when he looked at Muth.
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Yeah, Pickens was also supposed to be 20 yards downfield. It’s not where the safety was vertically, it’s where he was horizontally.
 
Troglodyte said:
Yeah, Pickens was also supposed to be 20 yards downfield. It’s not where the safety was vertically, it’s where he was horizontally.
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I understand, my point is yeah Pickens absolutely didn't complete his route, hell he didn't even start it, it's not like he ran 8-10 yards downfield and then stopped, he barely left the LOS, so the safety never really left, Wilson looked Muth's way and never looked the safety off. Reid the safety even said, that yeah I was never going Pickens way, Wilson never looked me off.
 
Coryea said:
I understand, my point is yeah Pickens absolutely didn't complete his route, hell he didn't even start it, it's not like he ran 8-10 yards downfield and then stopped, he barely left the LOS, so the safety never really left, Wilson looked Muth's way and never looked the safety off. Reid the safety even said, that yeah I was never going Pickens way, Wilson never looked me off.
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I think that is part of the reason he isn't a high volume receiver yet. Without another legitimate threat and for how good he should be, Pickens should have at least 70 or so receptions
 
TDX27 said:
GP has done this all year and in years past. If he isn't the main target or if the play is a run, chances are, he will take the play off. He will jog his route or just stop running altogether. This is a HUGE issue especially if he wants to get paid. The Steelers will either not sign him this offseason and let him test the FA waters after next season or sign him to the top 3 money he is going to want and then see if they can unload him for at least one 1st round pick. I'm just not convinced that they will keep him for the long haul. It's obvious he has not outgrown the shenanigans he was known for when he was in college.
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Having watched every snap of his with GA his effort was never this poor

I think he’s kinda tired of riding in the clown car that is the Steelers offense

He’ll play out next year and move on to a competent scheme. No way he resigns. It takes two to tango. The Steelers will low ball (if at all) and he will move on.

And the clown car will keep driving into the ditch.
 
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The half assing on any play is a massive issue. He's getting paid to execute plays to his fullest ability with 100% effort,regardless if he's getting the ball or not.

There's 11 guys on the field,not 1. Do your job!

As much as AB turned into a diva nutjob, he worked his *** off all of the time.

There's no way in hell I'd give Pickens a big contract, if he doesn't show vast improvement in execution.
You can have all of the talent in the world, but if you don't work hard you will get beat by someone with less talent that does.

Draft your next guy and move on.
 
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Fiji Mariner said:
Having watched every snap of his with GA his effort was never this poor

I think he’s kinda tired of riding in the clown car that is the Steelers offense

He’ll play out next year and move on to a competent scheme. No way he resigns. I’m t takes two to tango. The Steelers will low ball (if at all) and he will move on.

And the clown car will keep driving into the ditch.
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You very well may be correct but if he does, he may suffer the same fate as most looking for greener grass. They don't have nearly the success as they did here. AB is one. Bell ruined his HOF career. He'd easily be a HOFer if he would have taken the larger contract to stay. And the list goes on.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
Not sure he is tall enough to see that. It is his biggest(or should I say shortest) limiting factor. It is why he avoids the middle so much. He can’t see to make those throws. Not ripping on him for it he has been successful in the past with it but it is what it is.
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Coaches putting him in the wrong situation?
 
TDX27 said:
You very well may be correct but if he does, he may suffer the same fate as most looking for greener grass. They don't have nearly the success as they did here. AB is one. Bell ruined his HOF career. He'd easily be a HOFer if he would have taken the larger contract to stay. And the list goes on.
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The receivers who left and got worse were largely because Ben made them better

Ben isn’t here making anyone better and I have little doubt he will look much better in a competent scheme with competent coaching, and a decent QB.

On no planet will a guy that just tries hard, like
say Van Jefferson for instance, be able to bridge the talent gap between he and GP with effort. Try hard only gets ya so far.

I’d be glad to place a wager that his numbers increase after he exits the clown car.

Can’t argue with the Bell situation
He had a line he know how to be patient with and set his blocks with and his style didn’t work upon his exit. He made a poor career choice.
 
Lloyd said:
Coaches putting him in the wrong situation?
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What is the right situation for passing over the middle for a short QB? It is his Achilles heel. It is likely why Payton refused to keep him. Unfortunately, with him having lost some mobility it allows defenses to exploit this in some cases. Not saying we can't win with him, but it is an issue.
 
SteelerInLebanon said:
What is the right situation for passing over the middle for a short QB? It is his Achilles heel. It is likely why Payton refused to keep him. Unfortunately, with him having lost some mobility it allows defenses to exploit this in some cases. Not saying we can't win with him, but it is an issue.
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Wait, do you think Pgh used the middle of the field effectively before Russ was here? Kenny went to the middle of the field?
 
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