DeAngelo might have been pretty successful running the ball, but he's no Bell. Bell is a legit 80+ catch a year guy. I love DeAngelo and he seems like a great guy. But he's basically a notch or two above replacement level at this stage of the game. Whereas Bell has skills of Jamaal Charles, but he's probably a better duo threat than Charles. And he's a bigger back as well. There's no player we can get at this point to replace Bell and who will achieve at such a high level. He certainly should be paid as much or more than Shady and probably a million or two less than AP
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I agree. No need to be angry. My best guess is Bell likes pot a lot. If he gets caught gain, I think we are talking about 8-10 games of suspension.
I also think Bell knows he needs to be clean and get paid first before doing what he wishes off the field. Plus he coming off an injury, so his leverage for a new deal with a screw up is thin.
He's not a Bryant type...I hope.
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Your best guess is that Bell likes pot a lot. Lol. Based on what?
1. Got caught with Blount in car smoking pot.
2. Raps.
Ok. Gotcha.
I'm glad someone understands the point I'm trying to make
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Well, for #1, if my career relied on me not smoking pot, I wouldn't do it unless I liked it a lot....If that career was worth millions, I would have to like it a whole ******* lot.
Besides, I'd think the vast majority of the people who smoke pot, like it a lot. if they don't, they quit.....
I kinda think I know where you are going with this if I'm wrong just say so..
You're saying because Bell is in the NFL and he smoked before he must love it a lot to risk millions?
I would counter while yes he might like it a lot going along with your reasonings.. But the part where this breaks down for me is the NFL and the NFLPA know guys smoke which is why they set up the rules for guys to smoke. You are only tested at certain times. The players know when its coming. Players get into trouble when they don't stop before that time. Like Bryant.. Bell got caught differently DUI so really he was only doing what the league and the Union wink wink agreement allowed him to do. Now he is in the system because his case went public. He is now subjected to ramdom tests. Now your theory really comes into play. Now he is risking his millions where as before he wasn't by smoking. Where he screwed up was smoking and driving..
Like I said if im wrong my bad and just disregard this post
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He has basically said he likes it a lot, and even said when he is retired he can go back to baking at that point. Plus, have you seen pics prior to him getting busted? BAKED.
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My thinking on the matter is more players smoke than what one would guess. They know when they are going to get tested(until you go into the drug program). So Bell got caught once. He just has to be smart about it now. Will he? Only time will tell. That said I wouldn't had him a $10 - 15 mill a year contract hoping he stay clean. Along with his injuries I am hoping the FO is very tight with their money during contract negotiations.
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He has basically said he likes it a lot, and even said when he is retired he can go back to baking at that point. Plus, have you seen pics prior to him getting busted? BAKED.
I haven't had the pleasure of reading these articles you speak of. If you would have some links on them that would be great.
Yep. Smiling while taking selfies ALWAYS equals being baked. I bet he was singing one of his rap songs in his head while snapping these photos.
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Good point that he was caught in a different way. Still he likes it enough to drive around smoking, which is a risk to his career.
I just don't know very many people who have tried it and don't love it. I know several who have tried and just don't do it very much, i.e. only if they happen to be around others who partake. I suppose that group doesn't love it. Even most of the ones that love it don't do it while driving and, rarely, outside of their own homes.
Great player, but no way I give him close to 15/per, he hasn't finished either of the past two seasons, one drug test from being suspended for what 10 games?
And I know I'm in the minority here, but I think our offense is better without him in a way, now if they'd call the offense the exact same way they do with Williams at RB when Bell was in there, then it would be different. With Williams at RB we actually put the ball in the hands of our best player, Ben, like it should be all the time, but when Bell is in there we try to run the ball to much, slow the game down, and take the ball our of Ben's hands to much, which doesn't work well with our defense.
And I know I'm in the minority here, but I think our offense is better without him in a way, now if they'd call the offense the exact same way they do with Williams at RB when Bell was in there, then it would be different. With Williams at RB we actually put the ball in the hands of our best player, Ben, like it should be all the time, but when Bell is in there we try to run the ball to much, slow the game down, and take the ball our of Ben's hands to much, which doesn't work well with our defense.
I actually believe Bell could fail several drug tests without a suspension and that the next suspension would be for 4 games, not 10. He was caught between the old drug policy and the new one with his first suspension, but now I believe he falls under the new policy which is much more lenient.
And (as has been said several times in this thread already) your analysis of the offense with Bell vs. Williams is completely wrong. Bell was on the field last season almost entirely with Vick and Jones at QB while DeAngelo saw almost all of his action with Ben at QB. You can't make any kind of comparison as a result.
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Give me Bell any day over Williams, no doubt, and yeah it's tough to make comparisons with the injuries, but without Bell we scored 30+points 8 times, and 40+twice, if we can do that without him, no way in hell I give him a big deal.
I would give him a big deal but a fair one. We're not making him the highest paid RB in the league (over Adrian Peterson) or coming close to $15 million per. We've got to pay AB and that's going to be a blockbuster deal.
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I think Bell is highly over rated. Sure he is a great back and a 3 down back, but he is not AP. Bell is almost too patient and lacks great speed. Ben and Brown make the offense go...I do not think Bell will create wins for the team. I do not think he is a game changing player. We are a better team with him, but 10 mil would be the absolute top I would consider.
I truly wonder sometimes how we as fans can view players so differently. Bell is the best back in the league to me even better then Peterson. Don't get me wrong Peterson is a better runner of course but its close. What separates Bell to me is all the other this he brings to the table. Bell is patient when there isn't a hole. In his rookie year you saw a lot of this because we weren't as good up front. Over the next couple of years you saw less of this because we improved as a line and if the hole is there he he hits it. Bell is a must have to me..
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I think Bell is a very good, but not great player. Bell was easily replaced by Williams. What does that tell you? When Ben or AB go down, there is no replacement. When Bell goes down, the next man up does almost as well, and better in some areas of the game.
My thinking is the OL, Ben and WR's are so good, it makes it easier to run the ball on Pittsburgh.
I do not think Bell would be as good on say an 8-8 type of team with an average offense. He's not a game-breaker nor is he a true power runner.
Bell has only rushed for 1,000 yards once in three seasons and has decent 4.3 yards per carry. Quite a few Steeler backs have done this or better.
Bell's best stuff feels for the game, pass blocking, moves in the open field and pass catching vs a zone. He never fumbles either.
I agree no more than 10M for one season. I'd like to tag him with the option of allowing other teams to bid and take him, but at the cost of two first round picks
Give me the two 1st roudn picks, and we can spend 10m a year elsewhere on our cap.
So the fact that all of Bell's yardage came without the benefit of having Ben at QB and opposing defenses keying on him means nothing to you? The fact that Williams had Ben and defenses played us totally different means nothing?? Bell isn't a game breaker or a power runner? Williams does NOTHING better then Bell.
With Ben the OL and Brown Williams avg was 4.5
Bell avg 4.9 with out Ben and against 8 man fronts geared to stop him.
And following your words if Bell is not this or not that why would other teams give up Two no 1s for him?
Typical Madden-induced idiotic nonsense. Just like George Costanza's famous pronouncement "I think we can get Griffey and Bonds and we wouldn't have to give up too much!". Suggesting that a team is going to give up 2 1st round picks for a RB who has had 2 significant knee injuries is just so stupid, it could only be Coach...
I understand and agree with the argument for NOT paying Bell $15 million per year, but all this "he's just pretty good" bullshit is complete nonsense. He is a true impact player who is capable of putting up numbers for a RB (talking combined rushing + receiving yardage) that we haven't seen since Marshall Faulk.
1. Bell has never failed a drug test, I believe he has to fail 2 or 3 to get 4 games.
2. Bell is the most diverse back in the league. No back can touch him in his ability to be a wide receiver. Not even Williams when he was playing in his stead. Williams did a great job and should have received a pro bowl nod for his performance, but he is not as dangerous or diverse as Bell.
2. Bell is the most diverse back in the league. No back can touch him in his ability to be a wide receiver. Not even Williams when he was playing in his stead. Williams did a great job and should have received a pro bowl nod for his performance, but he is not as dangerous or diverse as Bell.
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Bell IS a Great player, here's some highlights so some of you guys remember why he is elite:
But yeah, wouldn't give him $14M, would mess up the cap too much an he is such an injury risk now
